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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Why don't Ukraine take their heroes back home, than? Don't accuse others of what your side can't do either. Also, it is a strange claim that they take their identifying documents, but Ukrainian channels post their papers all the time? Is this applicable only to some substrata of RF serviceman? Or Ukrainians lying about who they captured/killed?
In terms of mitigation of loses on paper, RF already made every preparation possible. (tl;dr information about deaths of Russian serviceman during peace time is State Secret from May of 2015. And Russia is officially at peace. Put two and two together and it all makes sense.)
What do you mean? I never heard Ukraine straight up refusing to take bodies offered to them by the other side, but I know Russia did. It's one thing if you can't, it's another if you won't.
I'm not sure how widespread removing identification documents from the soldiers is, it wasn't my claim either. Might only be happening under the more retarded officers, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
If you want to pity someone, don't think about either side serviceman. They are paid to die and kill, they chose it themselves.
"Muh both sides". Ukraine never asked to be invaded, they never wanted any of this. The blame is entirely on Russia, starting with the annexation of Crimea.
They're dying because of Russia's actions.

As for the rest, RF didn't hold back their "real" soldiers as you seem to claim. VDV and spetsnaz, their elite, were in the fray from day one. Conscripts were used alongside contract soldiers and forcibly conscripted LNR/DNR fodder.
 
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Pretty based. Can't wait for the Japanese goverment in a few years during the next refugee push to say "look UN, as much as we'd like to take these container ships of smelly lightbulb heads, we just can't. Our hands are full with all these white people we took in a while back so you'll have to ask Germany again".

Jap prime minister considers joining NATO summit. This is the first time it may happen ... ever.


Frankly, may be I don't know much about Japan, but I'd rather kill myself than live there. It's like a society of soul killing robots, where one should not date to stand out. A total anthises to what freedom means to me.


Why don't Ukraine take their heroes back home, than? Don't accuse others of what your side can't do either.

they do if they can, if they can control the area and sappers checked they are not boobie trapped (been done before) I know that some bodies were left in cases when they had to retreat in a rush, under an attack. They do try to exchange bodies as much as they can. There are trains with freezer cars stacked with RF soldier bodies. Initially, even the bodies that RF sent back, then prepped them for long storage and only trickle sent them back.

Ukrainians try to clean up dead bodies. There is a volunteer service "Black Tulip" that picks them up, regardless of uniform. On another forum sometimes people ask where to call, because there are a lot of bodies strewn out everywhere. Pro tip: human dead bodies suck as fertilizer.

Also, it is a strange claim that they take their identifying documents, but Ukrainian channels post their papers all the time? Is this applicable only to some substrata of RF serviceman? Or Ukrainians lying about who they captured/killed?

It depends, I see some bodies had IDs of different kinds, some had none. Dog tags I can rarely see, which surprises me since why is it so hard to issue/keep a fucking piece of tin on you. There is definitely no consistency though, lots of bodies seem to have shit for papers. Ukrainians have plenty of motivation to ID the bodies if possible, but RF bros are not helping.
 
Frankly, may be I don't know much about Japan, but I'd rather kill myself than live there. It's like a society of soul killing robots, where one should not date to stand out. A total anthises to what freedom means to me.
Nah, you got Japan profiled wrong. While there is a soul crushing office worker culture, you can make a living outside of it. The Japan Self Defense Force branches are a good example, where a lot of Japanese that enlist and make careers out of it weren't cut for that lifestyle. Foreigners that live and work in Japan aren't expected to behave like their Japanese coworkers and it's one of the few places I can think of where being a non native isn't the target of ritcule for school students. The Japanese government is making efforts to make work culture less miserable in an attempt to promote the family unit.
 
"Muh both sides". Ukraine never asked to be invaded, they never wanted any of this. The blame is entirely on Russia, starting with the annexation of Crimea.
They're dying because of Russia's actions.
That's what always bothered me. If Russia didn't seize Crimea or attack Ukraine, they'd still have a working economy by now. They could just turtle up, do a little trust-busting and some anti-monopoly laws to bring in free-market competition, develop their natural resources, and work with the West economically, and they'd be rich enough to be the cornerstone of an economic alliance that could possibly include Ukraine and other ex-Soviet or ex-Warsaw Pact nations. They gained nothing beneficial from attacking Ukraine at all. It's not just the Ukrainians dying by Russia's actions, Russia itself is dying by its own actions. They are in a hell of their own making. Starting with the oligarchs who raped the Russian economy, many of them were basically people who came from former USSR Communist elite, and now, the ex-KGB idiot who is sending more of Russia's sons to die in a pointless war in a time when his nation is suffering through a demographic decline. Russia as a nation is going to die. And it's the fault of the people in charge. Not America, not NATO, not the Europeans, but Russia's leaders and their willful ignorance of reality.

As for the rest, RF didn't hold back their "real" soldiers as you seem to claim. VDV and spetsnaz, their elite, were in the fray from day one. Conscripts were used alongside contract soldiers and forcibly conscripted LNR/DNR fodder.
Russiaboos keep claiming that the real heavy-hitters are still waiting in the wings, while the corpses of dead VDV and Spetsnaz soldiers lie rotting in the ground, a testament to how wrong they are.
 
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Anyways, the most recent vid (only in Rus so far). The kid is legally blind ... he was made a gunner, just because they needed one. His platoon of 70 got masacred, only three of them remained wounded.
Not surprised the army took him in.
One of my relative had brain damage from a car crash, but really wanted to serve in the army (probably no father figure played it's role,so he decided to strenghten himself like that). At first they refused to take him, but changed their mind at the second attempt.
Well... mental troubled people don't combine well with dedovshina. Guy is underground now, but at least he's not hurting anymore.

With this war? I'm sure they take everyone they can, no matter what shape they are in.

Man, I really hope this weill end soon. It's devastating to see so many innocent people getting hurt over absolutely stupid shit.
 
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Pretty based. Can't wait for the Japanese goverment in a few years during the next refugee push to say "look UN, as much as we'd like to take these container ships of smelly lightbulb heads, we just can't. Our hands are full with all these white people we took in a while back so you'll have to ask Germany again".
Well, that's one way to fix their population problem, I suppose.
 
So long as they do not make like a certain demographic in Europe and demand we change the rules to suit them. Or start lopping off heads.

Overall, probably the best that could be hoped for as far as refugees go. Though I expect that many will claim us as racists when the next wave of muslims flood into europe.
 
Jap prime minister considers joining NATO summit. This is the first time it may happen ... ever.


Frankly, may be I don't know much about Japan, but I'd rather kill myself than live there. It's like a society of soul killing robots, where one should not date to stand out. A total anthises to what freedom means to me.




they do if they can, if they can control the area and sappers checked they are not boobie trapped (been done before) I know that some bodies were left in cases when they had to retreat in a rush, under an attack. They do try to exchange bodies as much as they can. There are trains with freezer cars stacked with RF soldier bodies. Initially, even the bodies that RF sent back, then prepped them for long storage and only trickle sent them back.

Ukrainians try to clean up dead bodies. There is a volunteer service "Black Tulip" that picks them up, regardless of uniform. On another forum sometimes people ask where to call, because there are a lot of bodies strewn out everywhere. Pro tip: human dead bodies suck as fertilizer.



It depends, I see some bodies had IDs of different kinds, some had none. Dog tags I can rarely see, which surprises me since why is it so hard to issue/keep a fucking piece of tin on you. There is definitely no consistency though, lots of bodies seem to have shit for papers. Ukrainians have plenty of motivation to ID the bodies if possible, but RF bros are not helping.
We had our tags taped to military ID which is a sort of passport, I could show you mine once I get back home.
While at the base, they were kept in the commanding officer's cabinet most of the time. It's possible conscripts simply weren't given theirs, especially since it was "just military exercises".

Dunno if this was already posted, but here's a Switchblade drone in action:
 
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Pretty based. Can't wait for the Japanese goverment in a few years during the next refugee push to say "look UN, as much as we'd like to take these container ships of smelly lightbulb heads, we just can't. Our hands are full with all these white people we took in a while back so you'll have to ask Germany again".
Ah! All those hikkimori are finally going to get their state-provided girlfriends!

So long as they do not make like a certain demographic in Europe and demand we change the rules to suit them. Or start lopping off heads.

Overall, probably the best that could be hoped for as far as refugees go. Though I expect that many will claim us as racists when the next wave of muslims flood into europe.
While I think it's a good, humanitarian stance to take in legitimate refugees as a temporary measure, I've always been of the opinion that they should only stay for the shortest time possible, and be kept in special-purpose refugee zones. Not camps. Give them proper infrastructure, but drill into them that it's temporary. Strict deadlines for return or relocation. While they're here, give them the skills and intellectual tools to rebuild when they go home, then send them home again.
 
While I think it's a good, humanitarian stance to take in legitimate refugees as a temporary measure, I've always been of the opinion that they should only stay for the shortest time possible, and be kept in special-purpose refugee zones. Not camps. Give them proper infrastructure, but drill into them that it's temporary. Strict deadlines for return or relocation. While they're here, give them the skills and intellectual tools to rebuild when they go home, then send them home again.
The problem with that is that most times refugee hood is temporary, but not because refugees return home, because that actually rarely happens. Most of the time, refugees are simply resettled in another country, sometimes the country where they first end up.
 
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The problem with that is that times refugee hood is temporary, but not because refugees return home, because that actually rarely happens. Most of the time, refugees are simply resettled in another, sometimes the country where they first end up.
I know. I can't think of a solution. At least, not one that doesn't involve invading other countries and colonising them with the refugees.
 
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I know. I can't think of a solution. At least, not one that doesn't involve invading other countries and colonising them with the refugees.
You won't be colonized if you assimilate newcomers.

You are being colonized, because your governments enjoy dividing you on racial and ethnic grounds. They get to pay lower wages (this one depends, I can't speak for every country, and the employer in the country that took me in seems to pay me a decent wage for the work but that might not be true for everyone and everywhere) and because they don't integrate, they could be used as an excuse for shitty economical and political situation.

While they're here, give them the skills and intellectual tools to rebuild when they go home, then send them home again.
To where? How much, do you think, it takes to rebuild something that has been fucked up so thoroughly? I don't protest, if nobody returns - then nobody will rebuild but for some people who have lost everything and has literally zero tether to their homeland, where would they go?
 
That's what always bothered me. If Russia didn't seize Crimea or attack Ukraine, they'd still have a working economy by now. They could just turtle up, do a little trust-busting and some anti-monopoly laws to bring in free-market competition, develop their natural resources, and work with the West economically, and they'd be rich enough to be the cornerstone of an economic alliance that could possibly include Ukraine and other ex-Soviet or ex-Warsaw Pact nations. They gained nothing beneficial from attacking Ukraine at all. It's not just the Ukrainians dying by Russia's actions, Russia itself is dying by its own actions. They are in a hell of their own making. Starting with the oligarchs who raped the Russian economy, many of them were basically people who came from former USSR Communist elite, and now, the ex-KGB idiot who is sending more of Russia's sons to die in a pointless war in a time when his nation is suffering through a demographic decline. Russia as a nation is going to die. And it's the fault of the people in charge. Not America, not NATO, not the Europeans, but Russia's leaders and their willful ignorance of reality.

In the age of peak oil prices, Putin chose to steal the money instead of investing into human capital and long term goals.

In the period of his reign from 2000-2020

number of schools: 68'100 -> 40'800
number of hospitals: 10'700 -> 5'100
living quarters in uninhabitable state: 9.5 mil sq.m -> 25.5
state employees: 1'161'500 -> 2'327'623
$ billionaires: 0 -> 83
churches: 10'600 -> 38'650

economic stagnation and decline started before 2014.

Absorbing Ukraine, Russia would gain millions more slaves, similar how LNR/DNR is exploited now by total conscription. Then the empire would expand further.

Russians may be dying a lot, but they still have assload of people to go through and stockpiles of Soviet ammo. If they wanted to roll over Moldova next, no one would care. If they would seize Baltics, I bet a lot of countries would simply leave NATO and try to get their own treaty. I'm sure that Hungary would do shit. Germany will be concerned. France will surrender.


I'm sorry to shit up this thread, but this just made me laugh hysterically this morning:

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P.S. At the moment, the total amount of $$$s of funds and property arrested from Russian oligarchs is just over half a TRILLION dollars ...
 
You won't be colonized if you assimilate newcomers.

You are being colonized, because your governments enjoy dividing you on racial and ethnic grounds. They get to pay lower wages (this one depends, I can't speak for every country, and the employer in the country that took me in seems to pay me a decent wage for the work but that might not be true for everyone and everywhere) and because they don't integrate, they could be used as an excuse for shitty economical and political situation.
This is a huge issue for Japan in regards to refugees. They simply don't assimilate immigrants well. Because they associate Japanese nationality with Japanese ethnicity, to the point they have trouble understanding how Westerners can separate the two (such as calling oneself an American citizen, while still considering oneself "Japanese-America"). In Japan, if you aren't full blooded Japanese, you aren't Japanese period. Doesn't matter how culturally Japanese you are. How well you speak the language. How much you understand the cultural nuances. How many Japanese hobbies you take up. You could be more Japanese than your average Japanese. You could have been born in Japan, and Japan is all you know, Japanese the only language you speak. You could be part-Japanese. As far as the Japanese are concerned, you are a foreigner, a gaijin, and will always be such.
 
You won't be colonized if you assimilate newcomers.

You are being colonized, because your governments enjoy dividing you on racial and ethnic grounds. They get to pay lower wages (this one depends, I can't speak for every country, and the employer in the country that took me in seems to pay me a decent wage for the work but that might not be true for everyone and everywhere) and because they don't integrate, they could be used as an excuse for shitty economical and political situation.
you can only assimilate foreigners when they are ethnically close enough to your own population to blend in, and when they are willing and able to adopt the host countrys culture completely while cutting all ties to their former country.
in this current war, the ukrainians can in principle be assimiliated by any european country, assuming they're willing to do so. but the ones going to japan for example can never achieve assimilation, they will remain foreigners forever.
 
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