Sony hate thread

[Marissa Moira]

All this to say, Ratchet's downfall was not due to poor reception. The reason he lacked games on 4 was because Insomniac was an overworked studio hoping to not repeat the past and remain independent. By the end, it seems they got half their wish, Sony is fairly lax on releases nowadays, so the studio isn't killing themselves churning out titles.

I'm still going to disagree because what you're describing is the poor reception. Ratchet was almost looking like it was going to have a sonic cycle due to the halfassed multiplayer games throughout the PS3 era. Development hell takes many forms and it shows in the end product.

You had some games that were well below the 4 games on the PS2 while others came close in overall quality. But the PS3 games did not overtake the PS2 titles as being the best in the series.

Honestly Rift Apart has probably the most solid point they could work future titles from. But nothing has been announced. Rivet who's a new character became quite popular and it could be argued could support a whole series of games by herself. That's more than what most of the PS3 games had going for them.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

I'm still going to disagree because what you're describing is the poor reception

What? He never mentioned poor reception. He's talking about about how the studio tried to multitask and failed like other studios have. Id software did something similar before being swallowed by Bethesda. Rage & Doom 4? They were both being developed independently but the developing cost of Id Tech 5 was too much for them. I would imagine it was a similar situation for Insomniac Games

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Motorstorm was by far the best looking game at the PS3's infamous 2006 (?) conference.

It was all prerendered

Same as Killzone 2(I know Marissa Mori, the game had a similar sequence...)

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

What? He never mentioned poor reception. He's talking about about how the studio tried to multitask and failed like other studios have. Id software did something similar before being swallowed by Bethesda. Rage & Doom 4? They were both being developed independently but the developing cost of Id Tech 5 was too much for them. I would imagine it was a similar situation for Insomniac Games

This.

Ratchet & Clank disappeared on PS4 because Insomniac disappeared. They tried to do a game a year and promised the moon to Sony in their pitches, leaving the studio struggling and under constant unhealthy crunch and in debt for the features they promised but didn't finish. This would all culminate in their leave then likely deal with Sony for more dev time, seemingly making Rift Apart the first Ratchet game without unhealthy development.

Marissa just hates the PS3 it seems. Ratchet A Crack In Time goes against the poor reception argument as it was a Game of The Year contender. Also, if it was bad, Sony wouldn't have tried to buy the company and expand the brand with a film and other merchandise like they wanted to, and seemingly still want to.

 

[whatever I feel like]

It was all prerendered

Same as Killzone 2(I know Marissa Mori, the game had a similar sequence...)

It had playable demos too that people liked.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

It had playable demos too that people liked.

It's entirely possible that they had demos but that trailer was prerendered... Sega Rally Revo was still the superior game though.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Marissa just hates the PS3 it seems.

Which I don't get. The PS3 has issues for sure, but it has a lot of good PS2 ports. The exclusive software is mixed to hot damn, that's pretty good, and the library is cheap enough. Also modding the PS3 to the point you can have plugins for better controller? It in a way does live up to the original promise that Sony made. The controller can eat a bag of dicks though.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Which I don't get. The PS3 has issues for sure, but it has a lot of good PS2 ports. The exclusive software is mixed to hot damn, that's pretty good, and the library is cheap enough. Also modding the PS3 to the point you can have plugins for better controller? It in a way does live up to the original promise that Sony made. The controller can eat a bag of dicks though.

He has to make PS3 seem like a trainwreck to prop up PS4 & especially PS5 because its library is a joke and seems like it'll be staying that way for a while. Each system after PS2 was a step down.

As for the controller, I actually liked it personally, at least compared to the Wiimote and 360 controller.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

He has to make PS3 seem like a trainwreck to prop up PS4 & especially PS5 because its library is a joke and seems like it'll be staying that way for a while. Each system after PS2 was a step down.

As for the controller, I actually liked it personally, at least compared to the Wiimote and 360 controller.

"Listen, if you can't get it up people judge you for it. It takes a while to get ready and after two HUUUGE successes like the PS1 and PS2 we would all be tired, am I right? That doesn't mean [PLAYSTATION]'s not a stud! And just to remind you, those PS3 games were made with Sony equipment, they were all ugly, probably had Unchartered disease..." - Saul Goodman

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

He has to make PS3 seem like a trainwreck to prop up PS4 & especially PS5 because its library is a joke and seems like it'll be staying that way for a while. Each system after PS2 was a step down.

I mean it was, not sugar coating it. But around 2009 the PS3 was actually becoming a viable option to own it. The outage was a trainwreck as well but the system was by all means a success and did took 2nd place from Microsoft

 

[Marissa Moira]

What? He never mentioned poor reception. He's talking about about how the studio tried to multitask and failed like other studios have. Id software did something similar before being swallowed by Bethesda. Rage & Doom 4? They were both being developed independently but the developing cost of Id Tech 5 was too much for them. I would imagine it was a similar situation for Insomniac Games

It's the pipeline that lead to less than stellar games. The games were not really made under acceptable circumstances for their intended scope.

He has to make PS3 seem like a trainwreck to prop up PS4 & especially PS5 because its library is a joke and seems like it'll be staying that way for a while. Each system after PS2 was a step down.

As for the controller, I actually liked it personally, at least compared to the Wiimote and 360 controller.

The Ps3 spent 3-4 years getting pulled out of the hole of a real bad launch. The PS3's library by comparison did not do well for exclusives or multiplats during those first few years.

You can look at stuff like Lair, Heavenly Sword, or anything else that came pre-trophy support. You had games like Folklore wind up not moving the needle at all because everything else about the PS3 was worse and the game released and then nobody bought it. Folklore was probably one of the better put together games and when I got it, Best Buy was discounting PS3 games to 5 bucks. The system only got better late in life but it took many years of sub par release schedules to get there.

People will also forget shit like the hardware issues that plagued the launch PS3's like the yellow light of death. I think the recent rush towards PS3 nostalgia is mostly being fueled by second hand accounts and youtube videos. It was fucking rough for years, the system was not some underappreciated diamond in the rough it had loads of crap that could give the US Saturn Library a run for it's money. People probably don't even remember games like Legendary.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I mean it was, not sugar coating it. But around 2009 the PS3 was actually becoming a viable option to own it. The outage was a trainwreck as well but the system was by all means a success and did took 2nd place from Microsoft

Yeah, PS3 was pretty rocky (I think a lot of that was the pricing), but it turned out to have a decent library compared to PS5 even if you just look at games it had within a similar timeframe.

The Ps3 spent 3-4 years getting pulled out of the hole of a real bad launch. The PS3's library by comparison did not do well for exclusives or multiplats during those first few years.

Comparison to what?

You can look at stuff like Lair, Heavenly Sword, or anything else that came pre-trophy support. You had games like Folklore wind up not moving the needle at all because everything else about the PS3 was worse and the game released and then nobody bought it. Folklore was probably one of the better put together games and when I got it, Best Buy was discounting PS3 games to 5 bucks. The system only got better late in life but it took many years of sub par release schedules to get there.

Heavenly Sword was a fine game, I don't know about Lair or Folklore though.

People will also forget shit like the hardware issues that plagued the launch PS3's like the yellow light of death. I think the recent rush towards PS3 nostalgia is mostly being fueled by second hand accounts and youtube videos. It was fucking rough for years, the system was not some underappreciated diamond in the rough it had loads of crap that could give the US Saturn Library a run for it's money. People probably don't even remember games like Legendary.

I didn't forget about YLoD, I got that and RRoD. If anything it seems like 360 had more hardware issues anyway.

PS3 is definitely not a diamond but you can't sit there and suck off PS5 at the same time, that's really my main point.

 

[Marissa Moira]

PS3 is definitely not a diamond but you can't sit there and suck off PS5 at the same time, that's really my main point.

It's real dependent on what you play because having RPGs like Tales of Arise, Elden Ring, Demon's Souls, and Forbidden West all in the first two years were much better than what the PS3 and PS4 got if you're talking about quality RPGs.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

The PS3 was where the ratchet series kind of fell from prominence due to numerous issues.

Every Sony exclusive 3D platformer fell from prominence in the 7th gen. The entire genre was practically dead outside of Nintendo for a bit.

 

[augment]

You don't need moira to dump on the PS3, the thing was a dismal crapfest. I swear this might be the only place in the world where people revel on its "achievements" like it was intended from the get go. Compared to how microsoft managed the 360, nearly butting sony out altogether (until the RROD revelation) there really isn't any way to miss this fact.
You want proof? just check out how many devs "fled" en masse towards the PSP and the DS for their next iterations. This pattern only began waning nearing the end of the PS3 lifecycle, after several hardware revisions on both it and the 360.

I'm not even sure Nintendo was safe from it, waggle died off mid generation and people didn't give a shit about it for later wii titles. The Wii had loads of shovelware that was always clogging the shelves. The big thing that arose from that generation was Toys to Life, that what was a big seller.

Except nintendo's shovelware did sell. They couldn't keep up demand for new consoles. There was trash being released on wii 24/7 and people were eating it up.
As for toys2life, it was a fad that died down quickly after the skylanders hype receded. I am aware it carried on to both PS4 and switch, but these were marginal examples of how poorly people took to it.
Also you are conveniently ignoring how the wii/360 generation was by far a bonanza for plastic music instrument games. Everyone had some form of junk drum kit or shitty snap on guitar to play either rock band or guitar hero.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Every Sony exclusive 3D platformer fell from prominence in the 7th gen. The entire genre was practically dead outside of Nintendo for a bit.

I'm not even sure Nintendo was safe from it, waggle died off mid generation and people didn't give a shit about it for later wii titles. The Wii had loads of shovelware that was always clogging the shelves that were cheap cashgrabs. The big thing that arose from that generation was Toys to Life, that what was a big seller.

The generation lasted for so long companies were wondering if people had any interest in console gaming in general because hardware sales dropped off since everyone had at least 2 of the major systems. The PS4's launch performance caught a few by surprise that way.

Also you are conveniently ignoring how the wii/360 generation was by far a bonanza for plastic music instrument games. Everyone had some form of junk drum kit or shitty snap on guitar to play either rock band or guitar hero.

I've been trying to block all those memories out of those piece of shit controllers breaking. When they worked they were fine, but they did not hold up from wear and tear.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It's real dependent on what you play because having RPGs like Tales of Arise, Elden Ring, Demon's Souls, and Forbidden West all in the first two years were much better than what the PS3 and PS4 got if you're talking about quality RPGs.

This is why the best measurement of a library is usually its exclusives rather than going by any particular genre. Which of those are PS5 exclusive? Right, one, which was a remake. How next gen.

Regardless, if you want to look at RPGs released within the first two years, apparently PS3 had its fair share, although the only one I really played from that period was Fallout 3. The rest include Eternal Sonata, Oblivion (will play eventually), Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, and Valkyria Chronicles (played very briefly, it's cool). All were well received, one was exclusive, and none were remakes.

Anyway, it's less that I'm defending PS3 and more that I think it's ridiculous that you have PS5 on a pedestal.

 

[Marissa Moira]

This is why the best measurement of a library is usually its exclusives rather than going by any particular genre. Which of those are PS5 exclusive? Right, one, which was a remake. How next gen.

Regardless, if you want to look at RPGs released within the first two years, apparently PS3 had its fair share, although the only one I really played from that period was Fallout 3. The rest include Eternal Sonata, Oblivion (will play eventually), Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, and Valkyria Chronicles (played very briefly, it's cool). All were well received, one was exclusive, and none were remakes.

Anyway, it's less that I'm defending PS3 and more that I think it's ridiculous that you have PS5 on a pedestal.

Oblivion on PS3 was a drastically inferior version to the xbox 360 one. Same shit with Skyrim on the PS3. The game chugs hard to where performance becomes a major annoyance.

Eternal Sonata was very middling and also came to the xbox 360, and maybe Valkyria Chronicles was the only one out of the whole group that was decent. But then Valkyria 2 came to the PSP and sunk the series.

I don't have the PS5 on a pedestal, but at the same point in time it's better than the previous two predecessors.

PS2 had RPGs from day 1 like Summoner. But try playing Summoner today and it is just fucking rough. At the time it was an exclusive and the enhanced edition that came to other systems didn't fix any of the glaring problems. There was also stuff like Orphan on there as well in the early days. But none of the major RPGs for the system didn't come until much later.

 

[Broseph]

Motorstorm was by far the best looking game at the PS3's infamous 2006 (?) conference. That was the 599 US dollars/giant enemy crab one that was going up against the Wii reveal, for those who have repressed the memory. Its terrain defamation was pretty much the only graphically impressive thing the PS3 actually had to show* and (along with Xbox's Gears of War reveal that same week) did a lot to show what Nex Gen was actually going to be capable of. It was definitely the launch day "killer app" in an otherwise completely anemic lineup.


*Brief snippets of White Knight Story from a private demo also leaked out a day or so later, looking far better than the stuff on stage and leaving people wondering why it wasn't publicly featured. The answer of course being that, graphics aside, the game ended up being a turkey.

Let us not forget that Sony also lost a lot of good will for cucking everyone into thinking we were getting a FFVII Remake for the PS3, only for them to be like "Psych! That was a just a tech demo to show you what a FFVII Remake would look like on the PS3...if we actually made it...which we're not"

Hell I would've bought a fucking PS3 just for that game...

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Oblivion on PS3 was a drastically inferior version to the xbox 360 one. Same shit with Skyrim on the PS3. The game chugs hard to where performance becomes a major annoyance.

Eternal Sonata was very middling and also came to the xbox 360, and maybe Valkyria Chronicles was the only one out of the whole group that was decent. But then Valkyria 2 came to the PSP and sunk the series.

Who cares what was better on 360? Aren't PC versions usually better anyway if you want to start pointing to different ones? Skyrim was still fun as fuck on PS3, even as a slideshow with infinite loading times. Somehow I think you'd be jacking off PS5 even more (if that's possible) if it got a mainline FO & TES in the same time period.

Eternal Sonata was well received, that's all that matters, and who cares if it came to 360, I thought you didn't want to talk about exclusivity? PS5 looks deader if you do lol.