Outsourcing Public Bathrooms to Starbucks Maybe Wasn’t the Best Idea - Free Market does what Gov Don't

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There are, as of 2018, four truly public toilets open 24/7 in the City That Purportedly Never Sleeps. The rest of our publicly accessible bathrooms — about 1,100 of them, seemingly a sizable number until you start doing the arithmetic for 8.8 million people — are closed and locked at night. If you need to go and you can’t get to one of those, you have a few choices. Should you be geographically lucky, you can visit a big open building like the Port Authority Bus Terminal, whose restrooms, once horrifying, are now surprisingly okay. You can, perhaps, saunter into a hotel lobby or similar large building — that is, if you’re respectably dressed and look reasonably affluent. You can, if you are cross-eyed and cross-legged with desperation, despoil the corner of a building or subway station, risking a summons. Or you can do what most of us do, which is find a Starbucks. You don’t have to buy coffee while you wait in line, but you can, at least if you don’t mind accelerating your next bathroom trip.

That option, however, may soon disappear. Howard Schultz, citing unspecified concerns about “security” and “hardening our stores,” said at a New York Times forum that the company was reconsidering the open-to-all bathroom policy that it set in place in 2018. He is using the language of preventing gun violence, but you have to assume that this is mostly about allowing access by unhoused people and the effect their presence has on paying customers in the coffee shops. Starbucks is within its rights to do this, of course. It’s a private company, and its bathrooms are not civic property. Most businesses — in New York City, at least — won’t let noncustomers use the toilets; many restrict their use to staff only.

And therein lies the deeper problem. We have, inarguably, a severe access-to-bathrooms problem in this town. Apart from a brief, laudable, and unfulfilled Bloomberg-administration attempt to solve it, we as a city have ignored it indefinitely, instead allowing the free market to kinda-sorta-partway make up the difference when it feels like it. The urgency (and I do mean urgency) of installing proper public facilities in every park, or on every fifth street corner, the way a modern city ought to, has been pushed off the agenda over and over for the simple reason that we let Starbucks and its corporate kinfolk worry about it. And now they may be permanently down the tubes.
 
Yeah there is a fucking reason there are no public bathrooms. The animals destroy them. I remember when they tried to launch self cleaning ones in like...I dunno 2011 or something and it was just trashed inside of a week.

Stop letting the inmates smear shit all over the asylum and maybe you can have nice things.
 
Wait what? How are they going to enforce that? So if anyone is going to walk in a starbucks in New York to go use their bathrooms becuase they just gotta go they might get in trouble for using something publicly available?
 
I don't live in NYC, but there is something immensely satisfying about pulling into a gas station just before closing time and parking as close to the front door as possible, walking in and making a beeline to the bathroom, destroying a toilet, then walking straight out the front door without even feigning interest in some prospective purchase, and just before exiting making direct eye contact with the pleb cashier, lookin em straight in the eye like "yeah, I just came into your store and blew up your bathroom, then left without buying a single thing, whatcha gonna do about it bitch?".

Chad tier power move.
 
The reason you don't have unmonitored public toilets is the same reason why you will never get driverless taxis.
Homeless people will take over the toilet/car/... and use it to shoot up/have sex/or just smear shit on the walls.
For the taxi cab we just need a better AI.


As to restrooms and urban areas, the next time you go into a restroom if you notice a small puddle by the sink and the air smelling of a strong combo of hand soap and body order that usually means a vagrant has bathed in there.

One time I almost threw up when the soap was the pink almond scented ones with the smell of damp socks and diarrhea.
 
Wait what? How are they going to enforce that? So if anyone is going to walk in a starbucks in New York to go use their bathrooms becuase they just gotta go they might get in trouble for using something publicly available?
Probably an electronic lock with the button behind the counter, so you need to effectively get permission from one of the staff to access. probably already have it in your local Maccas.

From my experience, if you walk in clearly busting they'll still hit the button for you, this just gives them the option to say no if you're clearly a homeless drug addict who's going to shoot up heroin and leave a mess they have to clean up.
 
Roman public toilets occasionally exploded. Maybe if they put something in the Starbucks shitter that would singe the hair off your nuts one in every thousand shits?

Meanwhile, wagies should not be expected to handle junkies. Send a social worker.
 
One time I was in a Starbucks and this dude came in with a baby stroller full of random crap. He was kinda twitchy and had needle marks and shit on his arms. He asked the cashier if he could use the bathroom, said he needed to change his baby's diaper. It was very obvious there was no actual baby in the stroller. She just kinda sighed and unlocked the door for him.
 
I don't know if I want to use a communal sponge on a stick though. Also Rome was a lot more filthy than most people realize, nothing really changed.
Nobles and the wealthy had personal Xylospongium. You only used the communal ones when you had a real shit your pants emergency and forgot your own. Scatalogical Trivia.
 
What the fuck is this "unhoused people" shit? Just call them what they are and what the government requires they enter on tax forms. Homeless. Dirty, piss-covered, bastard, broken home-assed, illiterate, abusive, drug addicted homeless faggots.

It also amazes me these people don't understand why bathrooms are locked. Everyone knows that even nonhomeless crazies play with their shit in bathrooms. Gentrified Left need to spend a week cleaning bathrooms at Walmart.
 
How about you be a polite citizen and just buy something if you use a store's restroom?

I drive a lot, and hit up a lot of gas stations and truck stops along the way. When I'm done in the restroom, I buy something small, candy bar or bottle of water, even if I hadn't already planned to. Growing up my parents told me it was the polite thing to do, and it keeps the store owner from feeling bad that people only care about them for their restroom. (Both parents worked retail and had family who owned stores.) This is one of those unspoken rules of civilized society, the kind of things that aren't laws but make the world worse once they go away.

Notice how this concept never gets brought up in the urban hellholes having public restroom problems? They only care about getting the service for free. If a clean restroom is such an important thing for you, you should be willing to pay $1-$3 for the service provided.

If you can't pay that much, because you're homeless, then you are a different problem that should be solved by the city, not by thousands of stores who can only specialize in drinks and a clean store.
 
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