Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Garbage.Theory]

Nice derailing, are you going to get a reprimand?

If someone places emphasis on medical professionals and the opinion of brain death / necrosis etc one should also understand there is a working definition of "death" in healthcare.
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Attached is from Ontario standards but it's likely very similar to England's.

I’m curious, what part of this does Archie not fulfill in your opinion?

The top bit suggests that someone in Archie’s state would be considered dead adding they have a DNR or a TOR order in place, which comes down to legality, not medicine. And the Judge pronounced him dead so….

 

[Driedsoap]

His brain is rotting you daft bitch. His body is decomposing. He's a corpse. A corpse.

You have to be retarded if you genuinely believe he's a corpse on a machine. Dead bodies don't sustain life. He is almost guaranteed to never recover and have any semblance of a functional life - that is why doctors want him unplugged. He is taking up resources where they may be better spent.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

You have to be retarded if you genuinely believe he's a corpse on a machine. Dead bodies don't sustain life. He is almost guaranteed to never recover and have any semblance of a functional life - that is why doctors want him unplugged. He is taking up resources where they may be better spent.

Ok so if I started giving CPR to a rotting frog is it alive?

 

[Driedsoap]

Ok so if I started giving CPR to a rotting frog is it alive?

I’m curious, what part of this does Archie not fulfill in your opinion?

The top bit suggests that someone in Archie’s state would be considered dead adding they have a DNR or a TOR order in place, which comes down to legality, not medicine. And the Judge pronounced him dead so….

He's being kept alive by the hospital equipment. When his circulatory system shuts down, combined with the brain death, he will be dead. Having a pulse is an important factor of being alive because our body needs oxygenated blood. Once machines stop he will flatline and be pronounced dead.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

He's being kept alive by the hospital equipment. When his circulatory system shuts down, combined with the brain death, he will be dead. Having a pulse is an important factor of being alive because our body needs oxygenated blood. Once machines stop he will flatline and be pronounced dead.

Ok but having air go in and out of the lungs is a living function, and so the frog will still be alive. Right?

 

[Garbage.Theory]

He's being kept alive by the hospital equipment. When his circulatory system shuts down, combined with the brain death, he will be dead. Having a pulse is an important factor of being alive because our body needs oxygenated blood. Once machines stop he will flatline and be pronounced dead.

Then, by your standards, Archie is immortal? Because the machines can keep his heart beating a long time.

 

[usernames can change now!]

You have to be retarded if you genuinely believe he's a corpse on a machine. Dead bodies don't sustain life. He is almost guaranteed to never recover and have any semblance of a functional life - that is why doctors want him unplugged. He is taking up resources where they may be better spent.

You're right, dead bodies don't sustain life. That's why he's attached to a machine that is trying and failing to sustain life in a corpse. Living bodies don't rot.

 

[Driedsoap]

Then, by your standards, Archie is immortal? Because the machines can keep his heart beating a long time.

What the fuck. I hope you're being serious because that's super cute.

You're right, dead bodies don't sustain life. That's why he's attached to a machine that is trying and failing to sustain life in a corpse. Living bodies don't rot.

Of course parts of your body can "rot" while alive, but one's BRAIN tends not to necrotize. When it does you're going to be in for a bad time.

 

[A tree]

He's being kept alive by the hospital equipment. When his circulatory system shuts down, combined with the brain death, he will be dead. Having a pulse is an important factor of being alive because our body needs oxygenated blood. Once machines stop he will flatline and be pronounced dead.

And his blood is only oxygenated becuse he is being mechanically ventilated. The "CPU" that makes him breathe has rotted away. His body is warm because he is being kept warm. His heart beats independently because thats what heart cells do (we covered this). He can never breathe again. The moment mechanical ventilation is withdrawn, he can no longer oxygenate his blood and the heart muscle, starved of oxygen, will stop within short order.
He is like a car, running on petrol. When I switch on the ignition and petrol pumps through my car, and my car breathes in air through its intake and converts chemical energy to kinetic energy because that's how chemistry and physics works, is my car alive?

The ability of electrical and chemical reactions to be induced by artificial means is not indicative of life and can be performed on a dead organism. We covered this. The Russian dog experiments.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

What the fuck. I hope you're being serious because that's super cute.

Of course parts of your body can "rot" while alive, but one's BRAIN tends not to necrotize. When it does you're going to be in for a bad time.

Ok so his brain is necrotizing and falling into his spine. I don't get what's not clicking. Do you have corpses on life support in your basement? Are you a mold person?

 

[Garbage.Theory]

What the fuck. I hope you're being serious because that's super cute.

Of course parts of your body can "rot" while alive, but one's BRAIN tends not to necrotize. When it does you're going to be in for a bad time.

I am being serious. What is the difference, in your opinion, between a “dead person” and a person only “alive” because of constant mechanical intervention?

 

[Gayden_Wren]

What the fuck. I hope you're being serious because that's super cute.

Of course parts of your body can "rot" while alive, but one's BRAIN tends not to necrotize. When it does you're going to be in for a bad time.

I’ve logged in specially to call you a ’tard.
Have you read the court judment? Archie Battersby is dead. A half-hour EEG revealed no detectable brain activity. There is no blood flow in his brain. His brain stem has herniated the base of his skull. Clinicians state his scans look like that of a perimortum or post-mortem patient.
And guess what, the injury to his brain is becoming progressively worse, each time they stick him in the scanner, the imaging is more horrific.

he‘s gone.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Basically if the kid is such a little shit that he would disrupt the learning and functioning in any school, even a specialist school or with a 1:1 wrangler every day, schools are within their rights not to take them. If no school feels they can meet this child's needs and maintain a safe environment for the other children then the parent and child can be up shit creek. It happens. Sometimes an out of area or residential school will take them after years of wrangling. I think in many cases it happens becuse the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and the thick little shit is descended from two overgrown thick little shits egged on by their gang of enablers.

In the United States, I believe a child can be expelled from an entire school district, which generally means he or she is prohibited from attending all the schools in a given city or metro area. This is usually a consequence of serious infractions, like bringing a gun to school or calling in a bomb threat, rather than being a five year old with unmedicated ADHD. There are "alternative schools" which are supposed to serve the educational needs of these kids, although, as you can imagine, having all the troublemakers in one school doesn't do anyone any favors. Parents can also "homeschool", which almost always just means leaving the kid to his own devices until he's old enough to drop out, generally after age 16.

I'm sticking with the basics; he's not yet dead. If the argument was "he has declined so far and there is no likelihood of consciousness" I'll accept it as true based on his medical assessments but it's also true that he is alive.

Keeping him plugged in irritates the same people who refuse to acknowledge he is medically not yet dead. The perspective is tainted by denying reality and picking what medical knowledge to accept is just as dumb as Archie's supporters claiming he can recover. I was in this camp not so long ago but if his brain stem has necrotized it's unlikely he will survive much longer on the machines.

I do wonder how his core temperature is maintained because I thought that part of his brain was deteriorated?

Ah yes, technically correct. The best kind of correct.

Once your brain stem starts to die, the chances of regaining meaningful consciousness are poor.

 

[Quack_Quack]

Of course parts of your body can "rot" while alive, but one's BRAIN tends not to necrotize. When it does you're going to be in for a bad time.

Actually...... if you'd had bothered to read both of the High Court rulings with the summation of medical explanations following the MRI on the 31st May..... Archie's brain HAS started to necrotize. There is necrotized brain matter and spinal cord in the lumbar region of his spine, where it has sloughed off because he is dead. This is a direct quotation from the summation of the MRI in the judgment from the High Court judge's report, dated yesterday:

The Consultant Neuroradiologist reported that there had been global shrinkage of Archie’s brain since the last MRI scan of 15th April 2022.
There had been development of fluid overlying the brain inside the skull. The abnormal appearance of great and white matter continued and had become worse since the earlier MRI.
There was severe damage to the deep centre of the brain including to the thalamus. The severe coning seen on 15th April 2022 had not changed. The cerebellar tonsils which had been squashed together with the lower part of the brain stem and had herniated through the bottom of the skull remained but there were signs now of necrosis (death or decay). There were signs of necrosis of the medulla and it was now shrunken. Dr P explained that this is the lower part of the brain stem which controls breathing and heartbeat.
There was still the absence of blood circulation through the larger arteries that supplied blood to the front and back of the brain.
In terms of the spine there was no evidence of primary injury to the spine, something Archie’s parents had been very concerned about but the clinician observed that there was evidence of necrosis of the front part of the thoracic spinal cord. He thought that looked related to a loss of blood supply. He observed further necrosis lower down the spine in the lumbar region and also found “necrotic debris” caused when necrotic tissue has shed higher up in the spinal cord.
In summary Dr P’s evidence to the Court on 6th June 2022 was that Archie’s loss of brain volume was caused by an atrophy of the brain and this was consistent with it not getting oxygen. The development of fluid in the skull was as a consequence of the deprivation of blood supply and oxygen. He said that the brain tissue was beginning to issue fluid and it was gathering in a compartment where it would not normally be expected to be present. There had been a number of changes since 15th April 2022 and certainly no improvements in the appearance of the brain structures.
Dr P was asked particularly about the thalamus as that was a hugely important area involved in vision, speech and in consciousness. It is also involved in movement of limbs and sensation. He said the areas of damage were much more marked and there had been a progression of damage.
He was asked about the brain stem. He said it remained in an abnormal position at the top of the spinal canal. The structures had changed between the two scans. There was necrosis of the brain stem. He said somewhere between 10 and 20% of the brain stem had undergone necrosis but that damage to the brain stem was over 50%. The necrosis was caused by the squashing of the brain stem and the coning into the top of the spinal cord.
Dr P was asked if the necrosis would continue and he said that there was probably not much more that could occur. In his experience, from the scans, Archie had reached the point of no return. The sort of images he was seeing were ones he usually saw at perimortem or postmortem.

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So, as you can see, there is direct evidence of substantial necrosis. The Judge declared him legally dead since the 31st May. This means this poor kid's corpse has been kept going by machines for TWO WEEKS post death. He is DEAD. There is NO coming back from this, you mouth-breathing fuck-nugget. If they had declared him dead two months ago, there could have been the possibility of organ donation that could have saved eight people. But no, it's dickwits like you with your superior knowledge and this bullshit about "you're only dead if the heart stops beating." He's only breathing and his heart is only pumping because a machine is doing everything for him. His body can no longer cope with nutrition because there are no signals passing from brain to body.

When he is off the machine his respiratory and circulatory system will stop because there is no brain activity to force them to continue. He is dead. The only reason everything is still going is his mother is too fucking deluded to see this and is forcing care under the misguided notion that he will magically wake up. There is no saving something that has already decomposed past the point of no return.

 

[A tree]

I’ve logged in specially to call you a ’tard.
Have you read the court judment? Archie Battersby is dead. A half-hour EEG revealed no detectable brain activity. There is no blood flow in his brain. His brain stem has herniated the base of his skull. Clinicians state his scans look like that of a perimortum or post-mortem patient.
And guess what, the injury to his brain is becoming progressively worse, each time they stick him in the scanner, the imaging is more horrific.

he‘s gone.

I've literally seen dissected cadavers in better shape.

 

[Driedsoap]

Ok so his brain is necrotizing and falling into his spine. I don't get what's not clicking. Do you have corpses on life support in your basement? Are you a mold person?

I've made my points much earlier on. The only thing that has changed is my view on Archie's miniscule chance of recovery and now accept that he is going to die from his injuries.

I am being serious. What is the difference, in your opinion, between a “dead person” and a person only “alive” because of constant mechanical intervention?

We're not talking about life quality, he meets the definition of being alive until such time he no longer does. That's how it works.

Spoiler: TMI Life events

I had a pet pass away last night unexpectedly. Being a rodent I guess she hid any signs of being unwell and by the time I saw her in a bad condition she was unable to swallow. Keeping her hydrated came with a risk of asphyxiation. I knew she was dead once her heart stopped - even though she may have had significant brain damage (seizure or actual fall damage) - once she was not breathing I had to acknowledge the death. Up until that point there was opportunity for recovery, even, minutely.

 

[Niuhp]

I think a lot of people are deeply deeply uncomfortable with child mortality, so when something like this pops up it's an outlet for that fear and denial. Absolutely there are plenty of narcs and lads looking to kick off, but I think there are also a lot of poorly educated and emotionally ignorant people who don't know better and are ripe for taking advantage of.

It's very selfish, but people will make any excuse to feel like they're helping without taking the time to critically interrogate if that 'help' is useful or even situationally appropriate. Trying to convince themselves and others he's not dead and has a chance to recover is a solid example of this. Denial is way more comfortable than the fact that children die sometimes for whatever reason. Not trying to be edgy

He's being kept alive by the hospital equipment. When his circulatory system shuts down, combined with the brain death, he will be dead. Having a pulse is an important factor of being alive because our body needs oxygenated blood. Once machines stop he will flatline and be pronounced dead.

You're a perfect example of the kind of ignorant selfish retard I was talking about.

 

[A tree]

While we all argue semantics with this eejit the purple wave is furiously deleting an increasing amount of pushback from the public.

These are all gone now

But lunacy remains, and I think I spy a few MLM huns and other chancers trying to slide into Hollies DMs

 

[discombobulated]

The local authority will resist issuing an EHCP (the official legally binding statement of special needs), often forcing parents into court.

Just to clarify. This is the process in England, so yes relevant in this case, but others parts of the UK (yes, they do exist) have their own procedures, which do not include an EHCP.

 

[Gayden_Wren]

I've literally seen dissected cadavers in better shape.

Beyond the tragedy of a family loosing their child to suicide, (regardless of what chavy scumbags they are), the most horrifying thing about this case is the mother presenting Archies inevitable deterioration as evidence of medical malpractice to an idiotic mob.
I can’t get *that* photo out of my mind.