Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Flammifer]

Calling it now. Reva will sacrifice Herself and the last shot of the Obi-Wan show is Obi-Wan kneeling and praying at the grave of a black girl.

You could make it even more on-the-nose, and have her be unarmed and shot by stormtroopers.

 

[The handsome tard]

The Skywalker Saga brings to mind a quote from Fred Rogers: "I feel so strongly that deep and simple is far more essential than shallow and complex".

The Complete Saga is simple, yet deep, whereas the Skywalker Saga feels complex and shallow. There might be 300+ characters, but they all only fit into 9 or so archetypes, and are basically reskins of one another. The levels focus more on unnecessary details rather than overall function and memorability.

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[starborn427614]

That fits Episodes 1-6, Silly on the surface, but sincere. I'll take the Jar Jars and Ewoks over....anything in the Anti Trilogy.

Sincerity is key when it comes to media that's not only relatable, but long lasting. When Luke, Leia and Han reunite after the Death Star run, you're happy to see it because you know those three share a connection. That's where the sincerity comes in, it's not being presented in an ironic way or diluted by cheap jokes. It also helps that we saw those relationships grow over time and so it feels real.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Sincerity is key when it comes to media that's not only relatable, but long lasting. When Luke, Leia and Han reunite after the Death Star run, you're happy to see it because you know those three share a connection. That's where the sincerity comes in, it's not being presented in an ironic way or diluted by cheap jokes. It also helps that we saw those relationships grow over time and so it feels real.

This is why the C3PO memory wipe scene is low key one of the all time most hilarious moments (unintentionally) in Star Wars. It is the most commercialized sanitized group of nobody characters, the token woman, niggger, mongrel spic, and some CGI monstrosity, all created to hit diversity quotas and sell more toys. And they blast the sentimental music and C3PO talks about how this is some pivotal moment amongst his friends that he will remember forever if he had the choice. Yet the new trilogy does everything it can to forget the actual memorable characters from the originals, including killing them off one by one. Only to fall back on an old recognizable villain in Palpatine because the writers failed everywhere in making anything original memorable in the first place.

Okay I just watched the memory wipe scene.....the acting is atrocious. Oscar Isaac, Daisy Ridley, and John Boyega cannot act to save their lives. They are pathetic. High school play level acting in a billion dollar franchise. HBO found a bunch of strong unknown actors for Game of Thrones including tons of child actors. The casting for Star Wars must have been a combination of affirmative action and the casting couch. I forgot how bad the acting is.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

This is why the C3PO memory wipe scene is low key one of the all time most hilarious moments (unintentionally) in Star Wars. It is the most commercialized sanitized group of nobody characters, the token woman, niggger, mongrel spic, and some CGI monstrosity, all created to hit diversity quotas and sell more toys. And they blast the sentimental music and C3PO talks about how this is some pivotal moment amongst his friends that he will remember forever if he had the choice. Yet the new trilogy does everything it can to forget the actual memorable characters from the originals, including killing them off one by one. Only to fall back on an old recognizable villain in Palpatine because the writers failed everywhere in making anything original memorable in the first place.

Okay I just watched the memory wipe scene.....the acting is atrocious. Oscar Isaac, Daisy Ridley, and John Boyega cannot act to save their lives. They are pathetic. High school play level acting in a billion dollar franchise. HBO found a bunch of strong unknown actors for Game of Thrones including tons of child actors. The casting for Star Wars must have been a combination of affirmative action and the casting couch. I forgot how bad the acting is.

And I know Oscar Isaac is good in other things, but that Ex Machina good will has dried up with me. It has to come down to direction and when you imagine JJ or Rian trying to explain their motivations, it makes sense why their performances are terrible.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

This is why the C3PO memory wipe scene is low key one of the all time most hilarious moments (unintentionally) in Star Wars.

Especially because they immediately backpedal and give 3PO his memory back in, like, the next scene.

There are no stakes in Star Wars, except for no-name NPCs.

 

[Sneed F91]

This is why the C3PO memory wipe scene is low key one of the all time most hilarious moments (unintentionally) in Star Wars. It is the most commercialized sanitized group of nobody characters, the token woman, niggger, mongrel spic, and some CGI monstrosity, all created to hit diversity quotas and sell more toys. And they blast the sentimental music and C3PO talks about how this is some pivotal moment amongst his friends that he will remember forever if he had the choice. Yet the new trilogy does everything it can to forget the actual memorable characters from the originals, including killing them off one by one. Only to fall back on an old recognizable villain in Palpatine because the writers failed everywhere in making anything original memorable in the first place.

Okay I just watched the memory wipe scene.....the acting is atrocious. Oscar Isaac, Daisy Ridley, and John Boyega cannot act to save their lives. They are pathetic. High school play level acting in a billion dollar franchise. HBO found a bunch of strong unknown actors for Game of Thrones including tons of child actors. The casting for Star Wars must have been a combination of affirmative action and the casting couch. I forgot how bad the acting is.

Especially because they immediately backpedal and give 3PO his memory back in, like, the next scene.

There are no stakes in Star Wars, except for no-name NPCs.

May I remind you the co-writer Chris Terrio thought that moment was significant because he thinks C-3PO had memories from every major event in the saga getting deleted...even though George said that's what R2-D2 was there for thousands of times? I mean for fucks sake they literally show 3PO getting his mind wiped of the events of the PT in ROTS. Not only that, R2 was the only character who saw shit like what happened on Mustafar. Neither of them were in TFA really and R2 was barely in TLJ.

When you think about it, Poe didn't have a lot of screen time to show the ace pilot he was said to be.

You're forgetting the stuff he pulled on Maz's castle planet. He took out a ridiculous amount of TIEs like it was nothing because he's "the bestest pilot evr ".

It's like a really dumb video game.

Disney's inability to make a skinny little Mary Sue look like an accomplished sword fighter is not the fans' fault. It's Disney's fault.

Why not both?
>Fans dislike PT fights for being overchoreographed and too long
>They want the fights to be more like the ones from the OT
>Disney makes sequel movies to pander to OT fans
>Makes fights slow and "less choreographed" to "be like the OT"
Look at movies like The Matrix or Kill Bill and how they made American actors from dramatic roles who don't know how to fight learn how to do fight scenes. Daisy, JJ and Rian have no excuse but Disney didn't give a shit either because they thought they were doing what the fans wanted. Look at how many people still think the sequel fights are better than the ones in the PT.

 

[The Nothingness]

You're forgetting the stuff he pulled on Maz's castle planet. He took out a ridiculous amount of TIEs like it was nothing because he's "the bestest pilot evr ".

It's like a really dumb video game.

I mentioned that the battle scene involving him was too quick and the clip kind of shows that. It is viewed completely from the ground to just show the "big" reveal that Poe is still alive. Why have a POV shot of the dogfight from the cockpit when you could just observe it like one of the characters?

 

[Screamer]

When you think about it, Poe didn't have a lot of screen time to show the ace pilot he was said to be. He's absent for the first half of TFA after crashing the TIE Fighter he and Finn escaped in. The battle scene at Orange Yoda's place, where Poe returns, is too quick as he shown to bullseye troopers on the ground. The final battle at Death Star 3.0 is a mess as it jumps between the dogfight and family drama/shitty lightsaber fight. At least ROTJ gave enough time to balance its three battles in the final act. Poe is grounded for most TLJ after Rian wanted to reenact WWII bombing raids. TROS introduced the dangerously stupid lightspeed skipping and it's final battle was also a mess. So like every male character in the Disney Trilogy, Poe never got a chance to shine.

All we really had was that, "that's got to be the best pirate I've ever seen" line at Maz Kanata's castle that immediately turned to rubble.

Remember when people came up with the theory that TFO were really just frauds and most of the Star Destroyers were giant empty shells to explain why they never launched many tie fighters as a cope for how badly they were portrayed in TLJ? How that actually would have been an interesting twist. Instead of, nah they also now how millions of Star Destroyers that will be destroyed at the same time.

Speaking of space fighters, is anyone else kind of annoyed we haven't got any space action in Kenobi? How much better would the last episode have been if they had to steal a ship and were chased by other ships. With Kenobi outsmarting them to just get away.

 

[Sneed F91]

I mentioned that the battle scene involving him was too quick and the clip kind of shows that. It is viewed completely from the ground to just show the "big" reveal that Poe is still alive. Why have a POV shot of the dogfight from the cockpit when you could just observe it like one of the characters?

My bad, I completely forgot that part while writing my post.

Remember when people came up with the theory that TFO were really just frauds and most of the Star Destroyers were giant empty shells to explain why they never launched many tie fighters as a cope for how badly they were portrayed in TLJ?

I too remember how the fans spent years coming up with better explanations for the contrivances and plot holes in movies than the actual filmmakers did. The biggest twist of them all is that the writers had absolutely no idea what they were doing and were full of shit the entire time. Nobody could have seen that coming

 

[Screamer]

I too remember how the fans spent years coming up with better explanations for the contrivances and plot holes in movies than the actual filmmakers did. The biggest twist of them all is that the writers had absolutely no idea what they were doing and were full of shit the entire time. Nobody could have seen that coming

If you're not aware, there's contrasting interviews of JJ on TFA talking about wanting everyone's input. Then round head on TLJ talking about how they deliberately shut themselves off from any input from anyone. Sticking to only their vision with out compromise.

I feel that attitude must have taken place on Kenobi. Any one of us could have read the scripts and given a tonne of input that would improve the show. That'd be true for endless numbers of people employed under the Lucasfilm banner. Yet that clearly didn't happen.

 

[The Ugly One]

Why not both?

Because fans didn't make the movie.

>Fans dislike PT fights for being overchoreographed and too long
>They want the fights to be more like the ones from the OT
>Disney makes sequel movies to pander to OT fans
>Makes fights slow and "less choreographed" to "be like the OT"

> I make you a hamburger
> I burn it, it's like a charcoal briquette on a bun
> You don't like it, you say you don't want it ultra-super-nuclear-well-done
> I make you a hamburger out of ground, uncooked rat meat

"See, it's your fault you have food poisoning. If you had pretended to like my shitty, inedible, burned hamburger, and praised it for being good, I would not have been forced to feed you rat meat."

 

[Sneed F91]

Because fans didn't make the movie.

Sure, but the sequels (at least TFA) were made solely to pander to OT fans while bringing in new ones. They wanted to remind people of the OT while addressing the complaints of the prequels as much as possible hence the fights being the way they are. I never said you had to like the PT fights (you clearly don't), but if they tried making the sequel fights like the ones from the PT the old fans would hate them. At least at the time. I don't hate them but I don't love them past TPM. No excuse for the fights in TLJ or TROS though.

If you're not aware, there's contrasting interviews of JJ on TFA talking about wanting everyone's input.

Anywhere I can read that? All I remember reading about is how JJ and Kasdan didn't bother doing any research while writing TFA so JJ just went to Kasdan for everything.

 

[Screamer]

Anywhere I can read that? All I remember reading about is how JJ and Kasdan didn't bother doing any research while writing TFA so JJ just went to Kasdan for everything.

I think it was in the behinds-the-scenes documentaries .

In the aftermath of TLJ, people often used the clips because they were so diametrically opposed to each other.

 

[The Ugly One]

Sure, but the sequels (at least TFA) were made solely to pander to OT fans while bringing in new ones.

You can make something fans like without making it retarded. This has been done many, many times before. The reason the ST team failed to do this is they are incompetent, not because the fans made the mistake of not liking the PT.

They wanted to remind people of the OT while addressing the complaints of the prequels as much as possible hence the fights being the way they are. I never said you had to like the PT fights (which you clearly don't), but if they tried making the sequel fights like the ones from the PT the old fans would hate them. At least at the time. I don't hate them but I don't love them past TPM. No excuse for the fights in TLJ or TROS though.

You outright said that the the fans dislike of the PT fights is what forced Disney to make terrible ST fights.

If people had loved the PT, you know what we would have gotten? Dog shit. Because Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson are all a bunch of talentless hacks who had no idea how to make a good movie. They were not capable of making something that wasn't dog shit. You could have every titan of the film industry, from Spielberg to Scorcese, sit down those mongs, explain to them in one-syllable words, complete with illustrations, why bad movies are bad, and why good movies are good, and they still would have made utter dog shit.

The fans did not cause the ST to be terrible by liking the OT too much, or by not liking the PT enough. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson caused those movies to be terrible because they are terrible people who make terrible movies. They made the Star Wars equivalent of When Harry Met Lloyd; it was never going to be good.

 

[Adamska]

You don't understand, we gotta find the final solution for (((OT FANS))) because they stabbed us in the back.

Ignore that the industry has lost its writing staff, financial incentive for products thanks to the nightmare that is the stock market, and how cheap friends are better than a pricy professional. God forbid we just acknowledge that we were set for failure no matter the path ever since Hollyweird pulled a Thatcher on the writer's guild.

 

[Sneed F91]

You can make something fans like without making it retarded. This has been done many, many times before. The reason the ST team failed to do this is they are incompetent, not because the fans made the mistake of not liking the PT.



You outright said that the the fans dislike of the PT fights is what forced Disney to make terrible ST fights.

If people had loved the PT, you know what we would have gotten? Dog shit. Because Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson are all a bunch of talentless hacks who had no idea how to make a good movie. They were not capable of making something that wasn't dog shit. You could have every titan of the film industry, from Spielberg to Scorcese, sit down those mongs, explain to them in one-syllable words, complete with illustrations, why bad movies are bad, and why good movies are good, and they still would have made utter dog shit.

The fans did not cause the ST to be terrible by liking the OT too much, or by not liking the PT enough. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson caused those movies to be terrible because they are terrible people who make terrible movies. They made the Star Wars equivalent of When Harry Met Lloyd; it was never going to be good.

I agree the sequels would have been dogshit solely because of the people involved, but that's my interpretation of their reasoning for why they did what they did. They were all too busy trying to stroke their own egos and deconstruct the franchise while making as much money as possible. "Forced" is a strong word, they did it for TFA at least because they wanted to pander to the fans to make money. The filmmakers mistook the OT fights as "improv baseball swinging" when they should have made them less "spinning around for the camera".
I will say Roundhead seems to respect the PT more than JJ. Why? I'm not sure. He's a hipster. Hell the throne room fight in TLJ is a bunch of spinning bullshit.

Who were they gonna pander to? The biggest audience of Star Wars fans imaginable. The pandering worked because even though the movies are dogshit they still made money (Soylo notwithstanding). Even if the PT did well critically he still more than likely would have sold to Disney because he was getting old/didn't have a heir to the company.

I've said before ANH is my favorite Star Wars movie period and I'm not a prequel babby who thinks they're 100% perfect kino. The prequels are a mixed bag. I expected Disney to learn from the mistakes of the PT while taking what it and the OT did well and doing something great with it. They obviously didn't.

 

[Ghostse]

Because fans didn't make the movie.



> I make you a hamburger
> I burn it, it's like a charcoal briquette on a bun
> You don't like it, you say you don't want it ultra-super-nuclear-well-done
> I make you a hamburger out of ground, uncooked rat meat

"See, it's your fault you have food poisoning. If you had pretended to like my shitty, inedible, burned hamburger, and praised it for being good, I would not have been forced to feed you rat meat."

I also enjoyed Demolition man

 

[TheHarbinger]

Who were they gonna pander to? The biggest audience of Star Wars fans imaginable. The pandering worked because even though the movies are dogshit they still made money (Soylo notwithstanding).

Disney basically had two missions. Make back their initial purchase of Star Wars of $4billion as quickly as possible. This can be done through movies, shows, toys, license deals, and even just continually selling already made content (or endlessly releasing special editions like Lucas did). But movies had the biggest potential to rake in quick cash. And then their other mission was to setup Star Wars to be bled dry and get as much cash out of it as they possibly could before people realized that they had no long term vision for Star Wars other than....."Hey everyone we own Star Wars now!".

The thing is that there probably will be quality Star Wars content from stuff that is licensed. Video games, books, toys, models, and whatever. But the big items like the movies, theme parks, tv shows, streaming shows, will be mass marketed garbage. Likely until either someone else owns or controls Disney (which I do not see ever happening now that jews control it outright). Or someone purchases Star Wars from Disney (likely also never going to happen).

We are basically in phase two of Disney owning Star Wars. Phase one was churn out as much stuff as possible. Phase two is bleed it dry. And phase three is either sell it or let the IP finally just rot and die or wait decades for a revival.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

Oh Star Wars Underworld! Part of the many what ifs of life that makes us wish we'd live in a better timeline.

This also makes me wish we got something that followed troopers as actually well written characters. And not have it pull some gay bullshit like they join the rebels at the end. Disney is so full of shit with how they randomly act like things are "grey" only to always go back to "muh space nazis" over and over. Even kids could write something more complex and would on the playground lol.