NOTE: This will be a long deep dive into the criminal elements of pedophiles and how they function. If you don't want to read my rationale and deep dive, my response is at the top. I'll argue both, but for my mental health my studies need to be fucking worth something.
My short response is: No, loli should not be outlawed (This does
NOT include realistic AI Generated CP, because fuck that) , because it is not a factor that creates pedophiles and for a massive majority of them they will only consume it if they are too afraid to look up real CP or do not have access to real child porn. So banning it would do nothing but shrink the timeline for offending, because Pedophilia is a pathological urge which generally cannot be controlled.
Lolicon itself is a separate paraphilia that falls under 'ageplay' and is an extension of adults pretending to be children with a sexual component. IMO, it does not fall under the pedophile agenda, because I have never seen a case where a serious, offending pedophile with large collections of child porn had significant or even any lolicon at all.
So that's what I have to say before I get into the detailed reasons why.
Warning
This will be long ,disturbing and autistic. You might want to drink before hand. Probably bleach or turpentine. Also feel free to mock me for doing this and spending time on a retarded forum writing a long essay. I'll probably get called a pedophile and pedo defender. There will be no mod retaliation for any negative, critical or troll comments. I will however, cry myself to sleep at night. Which is every night anyway, but still.
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My biggest power level is I have a degree in forensic psychology from a very prestigious, very private and very expensive university that is not in a state I've ever lived in. It was not worth the money or my sanity. The college required the very rare and archaic practice of a bachelor's thesis. At the time, I wanted to join the FBI. I had several relatives who were detectives in large cities and a distant cousin in the FBI who I've since lost contact with who would have recommended me.
My bachelor's thesis was titled something like: Criminal paraphilias: The nature of pedophiles and sex crimes. This is not the actual title, nor will I ever post the thesis. It may still be somewhere online, but searching for it will probably get you added to a few lists. Research is pretty much one of my strongest skills. And let me tell you, this genuinely scarred me for life.
This is going to be long, because understanding this shit is emotional, controversial and leads to pedophile accusations.
So, in order to determine if this is child abuse material (on its face, it is not since it involves no actual children, unless you are using real children as models. That counts as child phonography) we are here to discuss if it counts as actual pedophilia and if those consume it are pedophiles. I realize there is a LOT of emotion that goes into this. Some people will say yes no matter what I say. That's fine, I'm not here to appeal to emotion or force people to change their minds.
This dissection is going to be clinical in nature, to see if it meets the criteria and if its something pedophiles are interested in. I will try to keep my own feelings out of it, which will be hard. There's a couple of things we need to dissect to fully grasp why lolicon/shotacon is not child abuse material. I'm not talking legally, in the United States it is legal. So for other countries, I'm not even going to go there. This is using the assumption that the material is already legal. I could go into how obscenity changed into CP laws and how those could be used to prosecute lolicon/shota manga, but this would be even longer. So this is going to be the only legal shit I'm talking about. We're looking at the justification, the clinical aspects of podophile and how they think.
So, we have to ask a few questions:
Question #1: What is a pedophile?
From the basic definition, it is someone who prefers partners that are pre-pubescent (less than or equal of 12 years of age) children or young (post-pubescent 12 to 16-17, depending on laws) post-pubescent teenagers to engage in sexual relations or to treat them as objects of sexual desire.
It is a paraphilia, a psycho-sexual disorder because a lot of pedophiles constantly switch partners as they 'age out', not to mention the traumatic effects on the people they harm. It is not a sexuality, because as I will discuss below, many times a pedophile will molest regardless of the sex of the child.
We're already getting complicated. So for simplicity, I will break it down into two classes:
Situational and
Preferential.
Situational pedophiles also have subclasses, but we're just going to lump them all together to eliminate confusion. Situational pedophiles basically commit the crime when an opportunity presents itself to do so. Typically, while there may be an attraction to children, in general they are primarily attracted to adult women and may be married and have children. However, under the influence of drugs or alcohol, their inhibitions are lowered and they may become physically or sexually abusive towards family members or their children. Generally they can somewhat maintain an air of normalcy. They're perhaps the most insidious, because these types are found in families and don't do it all the time, and a child is too young to understand and blames themselves. The second type of Situational pedophiles is a career criminal, typically a serial rapist. They will rape both adult women and female children indiscriminately. There is no innate attraction, but if there's an opportunity they may take advantage. This also includes criminals of the non-sex crime variety as well, who may choose molestation even though their primary goal is robbery. This results from anti-social personality disorder and lack of impulse control. Opportunistic pedophiles will typically stick to their main sexual preference or sexual characteristics they like. Famous people who have sex with adults and then engage in pedophilia are typically situational, because the opportunity presents itself.
Preferential podophiles is what typically comes to mind when we think about pedophiles. They are only attracted to children. These can be broken down into different personality types, but this is going to be long enough as is, so we're not doing that. If you want to know more, PM me.
These are the ones we're going to be talking about. Typically, these people exhibit behaviors we would associate with narcissistic personality disorders and other disorders such as sociopathy, psychopathy and obsessive compulsive disorders. They typically have above average intelligence, may have self-esteem issues, choose fields that put them around a large amount of children, justify their behavior no matter what, pretend to understand a child and are insanely manipulative and will lie at any chance they can get. They will infiltrate into spaces, disguise themselves as trustworthy and upright, and use that appearance to groom and manipulate children for their fucking disgusting desires. They typically have little to no regard for the damage they do, and even believe they're doing no damage whatsoever. They typically have little to no trouble with the law or prior convictions to better hide their nature. Their desire for children borders on obsessive. They simply cannot help themselves. You have to imagine it this way: All of their sexual impulses revolve around children. Their fantasies, their behaviors, their pornography, their relationships.
They do not think like normal people. They do not fantasize about normal, adult women. They can get aroused by innocuous child activities. The pedo jerking off at a playground is a trope for a reason.
In effect, a pedophile is akin to a serial killer. They stalk, get close and then strike. So, now we can move on to our second point.
Question #2: What drives a pedophile's obsessions towards pre-pubescent children?
There are many factors that go into this, but I'll go over a few.
A) Innocence. Many pedophiles generally isolate themselves and feel spurned by normal society. They obsess over childhood innocence and purity. They are attracted to that because some children love unconditionally. Now there are different classes of pedophiles. Pedophiles who are abuse victims typically cannot advance to adult intimacy because they are sexually stuck at the age they are abused at. That innocence may remind them of a time that they never had and are attracted to it. The sadistic pedophile wants to corrupt and destroy that innocence. This may involve gaslighting, 'teaching' and even torture in the most extreme of cases, the pedophile serial killer.
But innocence is a huge factor. They don't know about the world. They are pure. They can be more 'in touch' with their desires before the 'prude' society corrupts them. They actively seek it out.
B) Appearance. Pedophiles are attracted to the appearance of children (obviously). Real children. This is basically the androgyenous features of them, so many pedophiles might not have a gender preference, while some do. Others might just enjoy the control and manipulation of the abuse itself.
C) Ease of Control. Pedophiles understand children, and they know how to control and manipulate them. They can make them feel special and chosen in ways their parents and other adults can't. This leads to secret relationships. They can also bribe the child with gifts or certain things like ice-cream. Which is another gaslighting behavior. They can also guilt the child into making them think this whole thing was their fault, thereby earning their silence. Sadistic pedophiles will use violence and the threats of violence, typically, to ensure silence and control.
And we reach our final question, that we can now answer:
Question #3: Child Pornography, Pedophilia and Drawn/animated lolicon/shotacon
So we've finally reached the big question. Kudos if you've read this. So lets start with what pedophiles like about child pornography.
The most obvious answer is that it contains real children. Real children getting molested, controlled, abused. For some sadists, they like very rough child pornography, which sadly, does exist. They typically interact in sharing rings with other pedophiles to amass a collection that sometimes dwarfs the mind. This collection is often obsessively organized and can span several hundred terabytes. Many people ask, why don't they get rid of it? Because they can't. They
need it. You see, the fundamental difference between child porn and lolicon and shotacon is pretty much this: They want to offend. They
need to offend. What child porn is akin to is a serial killer visiting their last murder site. They're not building up the courage or suppressing anything, they are reliving the experiences in those pictures and videos. They're not being 'virtuous', its visiting the site of a murder and masturbating over the scene.
They engage with child pornography as a means to relive a fantasy. This eventually escalates, and the fantasy is no longer enough to satiate the desire, so like the serial killer, the pedophile goes and abuses a child. And the process repeats. Often they will describe these encounters on pedophile forums and places where they share fictional 'stories' about 'fake' abuse.
So lets go bullet point by bullet point:
- Pedophiles are attracted to the innocence, ease of control, and appearance of real children. Lolicon and shotacon are incredibly stylized, unrealistic and typically possess no characteristics that a pedophile enjoys. The "3,000 year old loli dragon" trope isn't real. Pedophiles don't want someone like that. They want something
real. Even if a hentai is disturbing and sadistic, it is nowhere near real enough for them to do anything with.
- It is almost impossible to relieve real experiences through fiction. Pedophiles function akin to serial killers. Child porn is like a serial killer starting with a small animal. Do serial killers just jerk it to fictional gore movies? No. They want the real thing. Its also bears a striking resemblance to cannibalism fetishism, where people will post 'stories' and then actively seek each other out to engage in it. No amount of vore or zombie movies will control it.
- Pedophiles also don't care about petite looking, or child-like looking women, or A-cups. They honestly do not give a fuck and are not attracted to them for the same reasons. Its not a real child. It is a grown adult woman. They know it is an adult woman, so what are they reliving through them? The answer is nothing.
- The way a pedophile views children is completely alien to the way we do. There was a now deleted Salon article with an interview with a (lol) 'Virtuous' pedophile who was babysitting a friend's daughter who was practicing ballerina lessons. From these lessons, he got so turned on he had to immediately masturbate. Children making simple or innocuous movements look incredibly sexual to them while to us they look like nothing at all.
- Lolicon denouncement functions as an easy way for a pedophile to hide their nature without sacrificing anything. How many times have we seen some guy criticize loli and then get caught trying to groom or abuse young children? Its a way to hide, because they honestly don't give a shit.
Pedophiles are incurable, manipulative, obsessive sociopaths with alien forms of thinking and viewing the world. Petite women who look very young do not turn them on. Why would fictional cartoons do the same? The only time actual pedophiles look up lolicon is when they're desperate, typically out on bail with no access to anything else.
Lastly, it insults me that lolicon is considered child abuse material and we have to spend any time arguing about it. Child abuse material enriches criminals. The children in those pictures and videos are typically kidnapped or enslaved or bought from their impoverished parents. And let me tell you this: Once they're used up, they're disposed of like trash.
To me, fictional drawings, petite women and a 70 year old dating an 18 year old is nothing compared to the horror that is actually out in the world. And I don't care if you call me a pedophile for that. It shouldn't be banned, its a pointless discussion. All pedophiles should get two behind the ear and left to rot naked in the forest.
