🐱 It's time to rethink “born this way,” a phrase that's been key to LGBTQ acceptance

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The HBO show "Real Time with Bill Maher" recently ran a segment called "Along for the Pride," which raised alarm about the gradual rise in people identifying as LGBTQ over the last century — from 1% of the Silent Generation to 20% of Generation Z. At one point, Maher quips, "If we follow this trajectory, we will all be gay in 2053." The segment is a hodgepodge of statistics, anecdotes, misinformation, and genital jokes, but the message it sent was clear: This apparent rise in LGBTQ prevalence cannot possibly be "natural."

The same premise — that LGBTQ identities are spreading "unnaturally" — was also the underlying rationale behind Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law and copycat bills introduced in other states, which restrict or prohibit discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity in schools. The sponsor of Florida's legislation, Republican state Senator Dennis Baxley, has made numerous remarksespousing his belief that there are too many LGBTQ kids nowadays and that his bill would counter that trend. Another Republican state Senator who voted for the bill, Ileana Garcia, argued, "Gay is not a permanent thing. LGBT is not a permanent thing."

Conservative New York Times opinion columnist Ross Douthat described this line of thinking held by many on the political right: "What we're seeing today isn't just a continuation of the gay rights revolution; it's a form of social contagion which our educational and medical institutions are encouraging and accelerating."

When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, people would often treat the revelation that someone they knew was LGBTQ as though it were a potential contamination event.

While these might seem like new developments, the notion that LGBTQ identities are "contagious" is actually quite old. Late 19th-century sexologists, who coined the term "invert" to describe people that we would now call LGBTQ, believed that it was largely an acquired condition, often the result of being "seduced" by other inverts. This idea — that queerness can spread from person to person much like a disease—provided the rationale for criminalizing and institutionalizing LGBTQ people during this time period. In her 2000 article"Homosexuality as Contagion: From 'The Well of Loneliness' to the Boy Scouts," law professor Nancy J. Knauer chronicled how this idea continued to persist throughout much of the twentieth century.

When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, people would often treat the revelation that someone they knew was LGBTQ as though it were a potential contamination event: They might distance themselves from the individual thereafter, or worry that their past association (especially if there was any romantic interest or intimacy) might "taint" or "compromise" their own gender and sexuality. Part of the reason why I kept quiet about my trans-related feelings as a child was that I knew the disclosure would implicate everybody close to me — my family and friends would all be affected (or perhaps "infected") by my queerness. You could say that I was "closeted" back then, but to me, it felt more like self-imposed quarantine.

In subsequent decades, there has been growing acceptance of LGBTQ people, much of it hinging on the public understanding that we are "born this way." Within LGBTQ communities, that phrase evokes mixed reactions. Some feel that it accurately captures their experience of knowing from childhood that they were different, and finding that there was nothing they could do to make those feelings go away. But others have critiqued "born this way" for its failure to account for their later-in-life shifts in identity, their experiences with gender or sexual fluidity, and/or that the phrase gives the impression that LGBTQ people have suffered some kind of "birth defect."

After all, if LGBTQ people are "born this way," it means that straight people can't "catch" it from us.

While I agree that "born this way" oversimplifies gender and sexual diversity, these critiques seem to overlook the primary reason why this slogan has been so successful: its ability to placate fears about queerness supposedly being "contagious." After all, if LGBTQ people are "born this way," it means that straight people can't "catch" it from us.

Because of its success, anti-LGBTQ campaigners have worked hard to upend the "born this way" narrative. This is why they have long flaunted "ex-gays," and more recently, people who detransition, as though the existence of such individuals disproves the authenticity and longevity of all of our identities. And now, they are citing the growing LGBTQ population as supposed evidence that our identities are merely "trendy" (in the words of Maher), or worse, the result of "social engineering" (in the words of Baxley).

In other words, they are trying to revive the idea that queerness is "contagious."

But there are less sinister explanations for these shifts. Gary J. Gates, a well-regarded expert on LGBTQ demographics, attributed the aforementioned increases to "reduced social stigma and accompanying advancements in legal equality."

Back in 2017, in response to then novel claims (originating from anti-trans parent websites, and since refuted by multiple prominent professional healthcare associations) that transgender identities are now spreading among children via "social contagion," I highlighted the parallels between this phenomenon and the gradual increase in left-handedness that occurred in Western countries during the twentieth century. Specifically, the prevalence of left-handedness rose from roughly two percent of the population to thirteen percent. And it is generally agreed that this shift was due to a reduction in stigma against left-handedness, and the cessation of forcing young children into being right-handed.

There is no "queer contagion" sweeping the nation. What we are witnessing is simply a new era of openness and possibilities.

There is no "queer contagion" sweeping the nation. What we are witnessing is simply a new era of openness and possibilities. Young people who in the past never had the words to describe their feelings, or who knew what they were but felt coerced into remaining closeted (or worse), are now more able to freely express themselves. People who have had same-sex experiences on occasion — who have always outnumbered people who exclusively identify as gay or lesbian — are now more comfortable explicitly calling themselves bisexual (or some similar label). People who in the past would have felt too afraid to experiment with their gender or sexuality for fear of the stigma that might entail may now be more willing to explore those potentialities.

Like the gradual increase in left-handedness, there is nothing threatening about any of these developments. Unless, of course, you believe that LGBTQ identities are inherently immoral, or feel uncomfortable living in a world where you can no longer presume that everyone you meet is straight by default. This lack of serious negative ramifications explains why so much of this "social contagion" discourse has been squarely directed at trans kids, where moral-panic-inducing memes about "experimenting on children" and "rushing children into hormones and surgery" (both of which are not true) can be used to scare people into believing that we must put the proverbial "LGBTQ genie" back into the bottle.

LGBTQ people simply are. And when there are two or more of us in the same space, that isn't a sign of "trendiness" or "social contagion"; sometimes it's just happenstance. Other times, we seek each other out due to our mutual interests and circumstances, especially given the anti-LGBTQ stigma we routinely face. We must recognize the "queer contagiousness" myth for what it really is: an attempt to separate us from one another, to silence our collective voices and perspectives. In a word, it is an attempt to quarantine us.

Too many people seem to view that phrase through a lens of strict biological determinism, or presume that it means the number of LGBTQ people must be permanently fixed and static.

In addition to debunking this myth, we should consider the possibility that "born this way" may no longer be the most effective way to counter it. Too many people seem to view that phrase through a lens of strict biological determinism, or presume that it means the number of LGBTQ people must be permanently fixed and static. Perhaps new language might circumvent these misconceptions moving forward.

In my own writings, I often describe gender and sexual diversity as being intrinsic and inexplicable. By inexplicable, I mean that none of us can precisely say for sure why we turned out to be gay, or trans, or otherwise. Nor can we say why some people come to this self-understanding as children, others during adolescence, and still others as adults. Like handedness, sexual orientation and gender identity have no singular easy-to-point-to cause; they are complex traits that naturally vary in the population.

By intrinsic, I mean that our sexual orientations and gender identities typically arise in an unconscious manner, are deeply felt, and are not readily repressed or ignored. While language and culture may influence how we make sense of, or act upon, those forces, they do not create them out of whole cloth, nor are they capable of entirely purging them from our persons (which is why conversion therapies are widely considered both ineffective and unethical). Just as you cannot readily change my orientation and identity, I do not have the power to change your sexual orientation and gender identity either.

LGBTQ identities and experiences are no more "ephemeral" or "contagious" than heterosexual and cisgender ones. Those who suggest otherwise are not merely incorrect, but they are often pushing an agenda to isolate and silence us.
 
Holy shit the gay mafia better come get this one. If they invalidate the biggest argument that got them this far they'll never get pedos to be the new troons who became the new gays.
That's the idea though, there are multiple steps to what they are up to. First they have to declare it haram to say "born this way"- after all, being gay is GOOD so why should they have to have an "excuse"? If someone wants to become gay, more power to them!

Then if it turns out after all that being molested is what makes some people gay, so what? Being gay is GOOD- the molester almost did them a favor, right?

Finally, gay is good and you can get turned gay through grooming so grooming can't be bad! That's the end point for this nonsense.

Speaking of left-handedness though, it's correlated with a lot of mental and neurological problems and with actual brain damage. So.

left-handedness and extreme righthandedness are more common among persons with certain diseases and developmental abnormalities. This phenomenon is seen, for example, in epilepsy, schizophrenia, and autism (9, 10, e23, e24). Moreover, neural tube defects and some types of cleft lip and palate that are thought to be due to intrauterine distur - bances are also associated with left-handedness (e25, e26). Left-handedness is reportedly 1.2 to 2 times more common among schizophrenics than in the normal population (e27, e28). A possible explanation for the more common pre - valence of certain diseases among left-handers and extreme right-handers is that intrauterine or perinatal disturbances such as infections or brief phases of hypoxia alter cerebral development.
 
This article is filled with so many blatant lies it's not even funny, so I'll just focus on one particular point. If this rise in people identifying as LGBT was truly natural, then they would be more evenly distributed instead of being concentrated in highly leftist areas.
The obvious leftist counter is that "all those groomed autists would have been in other parts of the country if there was no mean republicans".
 
Holy shit the gay mafia better come get this one. If they invalidate the biggest argument that got them this far they'll never get pedos to be the new troons who became the new gays.
The argument has been bad since the beginning. I'm surprised they're still using it. The basic implication is that gay people were born gay and thus it's a good thing, but people are born with defects all the time. Being born a certain way does not make that way "good".

Furthermore, twin studies have proven that if there is a genetic component to homosexuality, it's extremely weak at best, and can more likely be explained the same way familial clusters of "trans kids" are explained: pressure from their peers, their family, or both.

Basically, all the evidence points to homosexuality as most likely being either a social contagion or a mental illness. At the best, you could call it an adaptative mechanism - exposure to homosexual experience at a young age turns you gay the same way exposure to certain flavors of food shape your future tastes - but that theory presents a whole host of very unfortunate implications, not the least of which being that it validates the "gays molest children to reproduce" theory.

These statements aren't intended to pass moral judgement on all gays, but they're the objective truth. One way or another, an external force made them this way.
 
People who are homosexual are actually…not homosexual! You homos were straight all along. Now get over being raped as a child, and stop letting men shove their cocks into your anus. This should be common sense by now but some people still don’t know this yet.
 
but that theory presents a whole host of very unfortunate implications, not the least of which being that it validates the "gays molest children to reproduce" theory.
I’ve never talked to a gay person that has ever said it was inherent in them. Either it was a relationship with an older person or a response to their upbringing. It’s never been normal.
 
If gay is a behavioral/nurture thing like they're saying, then it is entirely possible to train someone that's gay into being straight. They just made the case for conversion therapy all on their own.

I hope this catches on to the rest of the rainbow alphabet tribe.
 
I will have a guilty pleasure to see them reacting like Greta Thunberg shouting "how dare you?" if one guy said then heterosexuals are born this way.
 
I am so sick of them trying to pretend that that’s the law’s actual name, rather than a name made up by opponents.

It would be like a paper calling the DMCA the “Fuck Your Rights” Law
It really hurts their cause each time they do this stuff. Anyone who looks into it is going to rapidly realize they are lying and there is another alienated ally.
 
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The argument has been bad since the beginning. I'm surprised they're still using it. The basic implication is that gay people were born gay and thus it's a good thing, but people are born with defects all the time. Being born a certain way does not make that way "good".

Furthermore, twin studies have proven that if there is a genetic component to homosexuality, it's extremely weak at best, and can more likely be explained the same way familial clusters of "trans kids" are explained: pressure from their peers, their family, or both.

Basically, all the evidence points to homosexuality as most likely being either a social contagion or a mental illness. At the best, you could call it an adaptative mechanism - exposure to homosexual experience at a young age turns you gay the same way exposure to certain flavors of food shape your future tastes - but that theory presents a whole host of very unfortunate implications, not the least of which being that it validates the "gays molest children to reproduce" theory.

These statements aren't intended to pass moral judgement on all gays, but they're the objective truth. One way or another, an external force made them this way.

I think you're also leaving out the "Exotic becomes erotic" argument. Like, for instance, if a person was severely lacking in opposite sex mentors/peers/co-workers/parental figures.
 
I’ve never talked to a gay person that has ever said it was inherent in them. Either it was a relationship with an older person or a response to their upbringing. It’s never been normal.
To play devil's advocate, you could argue that there's no way to isolate this phenomenon in a vacuum, so it's impossible to say for certain whether being straight arises from the same mechanism. If touching pps at 12 years old makes you gay, maybe seeing boobies at 12 makes you straight.

Of course, there is extremely strong evidence to suggest that heterosexuality is innate, because it's in the best interest of the species for it to be. Also because it's significantly more common even in the face of overwhelming pressure to be gay, like we're seeing right now. Even if the "20% of zoomers are LGOLEDTV" statistic is true - which it isn't - zoomers have been told just about every day since they were born that being straight is bad and gay buttsex makes you special and unique and it means you deserve special privileges. So even in an environment like that, 80% of people at the minimum still end up straight. Tough to argue that homosexuality isn't the aberration here.
 
There's no evidence of a gay gene or a combination of genes that lead to someone being gay. "Born this way" is a good marketing tool. An excellent one even as humans, modern western ones, have decided its best not to punish people for immutable characteristics. Getting rid of "Born this way" is a very bad idea for gay people. It will remove the main reason most people are accepting/tolerant of gay people currently. Falling back "its a choice" will only cause more problems.

It's a fundamental building block of every post modern idea/theorum/movement, let's saw off the branch of the tree I'm standing on.
I agree. Sexual attraction is formed through experiences, both as an adolescent, and as an adult. Unless my experience is unique, I think most people will see their sexual wants change over time, not necessarily as abrupt as one gender to another, but the type of woman or man that attracts you at 18 likely is different from what you find attractive at 38.

You're likely going to see more and more kids have their wires crossed wrong by exposing them to more and more gay sexuality as they become teens. Just as the furry sickos get their wires crossed by watching the Lion King one too many times as a 9 year old

Also look at how many terminally online men go prison gay out of desperation.

Sexuality is more malleable than you think. And now the fags are going to use that to argue that at least 50% of the children should be gay "to make thibgs equal and fair"
 
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