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kukkia said:
Salome was also good in this regard, she used worksheets and voice clips made by Oliver and Petra instead of Duolingo. Frankly Duolingo EN learning streams are just kinda boring at this point, I generally don't check them out even if the vtuber doing them is someone that I like.

I hope Nagao's EN arc continues, amongst the various JP livers to interact with EN he comes off as one of the ones who is most interested in actually making meaningful connections with them.
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Selen's current studying style also gives me hope that she'll actually learn Japanese and not just fuck around for a few streams without accomplishing anything. No normie-ass Duolingo garbage, we got that real autodidact shit, textbooks, flashcards, using what she learns to construct new sentences. If she sticks with it (and makes sure to get listening practice too) I think she'll make great strides.
 
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Iipeikous Bill said:
Selen's current studying style also gives me hope that she'll actually learn Japanese and not just fuck around for a few streams without accomplishing anything. No normie-ass Duolingo garbage, we got that real autodidact shit, textbooks, flashcards, using what she learns to construct new sentences. If she sticks with it (and makes sure to get listening practice too) I think she'll make great strides.
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Is there any comprehensive guide for learning Japanese out there that's worth a damn? I know the basic alphabet(s) and a decent number of kanji, and have Anki with a vocabulary deck, but aside from staring blankly at a screen until neuron connections form I don't really have any structure.
 
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Sanshain said:
Is there any comprehensive guide for learning Japanese out there that's worth a damn? I know the basic alphabet(s) and a decent number of kanji, and have Anki with a vocabulary deck, but aside from staring blankly at a screen until neuron connections form I don't really have any structure.
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Couldn't tell you, friend. My journey so far has been:
- a few months of learning basic grammar/vocabulary/kana
- a good 10 years of listening to Japanese music and idly picking up more vocabulary from lyrics
- 3-4 years? of occasionally watching streams, improving vocabulary and listening ability along the way.
- about a year and a half of frequent stream watching + grinding core 10k in Anki to fill in the huge gaps in my vocabulary. Learning your Japanese from song lyrics is going to teach you some 一輪の花が優雅に狂い咲く nonsense before it teaches you 銀行 so the newspaper corpus was well-suited for my needs. Also learned Kanji in the process, I basically couldn't read Japanese at all until late 2020.

I feel baseline competent now, at least within my sphere of interest (streams, tweets, chat, comments - I definitely couldn't read a novel yet, probably not even a manga) but it's not exactly an example to follow.

EDIT: And as pointed out below, comprehending and using a language are very much different skills. You'll notice none of the above involves me speaking any Japanese, and I'm unsurprisingly pretty bad at it. I'm only really interested in understanding Japanese media, I don't want to move there or make Japanese friends or anything, so I focused on what was useful for me.
 
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Sanshain said:
Is there any comprehensive guide for learning Japanese out there that's worth a damn? I know the basic alphabet(s) and a decent number of kanji, and have Anki with a vocabulary deck, but aside from staring blankly at a screen until neuron connections form I don't really have any structure.
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Your comprehension is probably way ahead of your ability to express yourself. There's no real substitute for "proper" lessons IME, but if you want to get as close as you can, you need to find an environment where you're speaking or writing Japanese and people will call out your mistakes, which is not easy or natural at all between adults. Good luck!
 
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Context is in Millie's caught in 4k II, Pomu's segment

I wanna add something regarding language learning.
I can't speak Japanese but I have 2 other languages under my belt, my tip for better pronunciation is watching live action movies, random interviews and any resource that shows clearly how a native speaker move their mouths and lips.
You gotta watch, understand and copy their lips/tongue/ and even neck movements.
 
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Iipeikous Bill said:
Couldn't tell you, friend. My journey so far has been:
- a few months of learning basic grammar/vocabulary/kana
- a good 10 years of listening to Japanese music and idly picking up more vocabulary from lyrics
- 3-4 years? of occasionally watching streams, improving vocabulary and listening ability along the way.
- about a year and a half of frequent stream watching + grinding core 10k in Anki to fill in the huge gaps in my vocabulary. Learning your Japanese from song lyrics is going to teach you some 一輪の花が優雅に狂い咲く nonsense before it teaches you 銀行 so the newspaper corpus was well-suited for my needs. Also learned Kanji in the process, I basically couldn't read Japanese at all until late 2020.

I feel baseline competent now, at least within my sphere of interest (streams, tweets, chat, comments - I definitely couldn't read a novel yet, probably not even a manga) but it's not exactly an example to follow.

EDIT: And as pointed out below, comprehending and using a language are very much different skills. You'll notice none of the above involves me speaking any Japanese, and I'm unsurprisingly pretty bad at it. I'm only really interested in understanding Japanese media, I don't want to move there or make Japanese friends or anything, so I focused on what was useful for me.
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Shit. I started learning Japanese by watching Japanese Peppa Pig and is barely making progress. Am I doing something wrong?
 
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Sanshain said:
Is there any comprehensive guide for learning Japanese out there that's worth a damn? I know the basic alphabet(s) and a decent number of kanji, and have Anki with a vocabulary deck, but aside from staring blankly at a screen until neuron connections form I don't really have any structure.
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I feel like one of new residents @Contracted Weeb here said it the best. It not going to be an easy ride friend if you wanna go the whole hog should we say.

Contracted Weeb said:
Just a heads up you aint gonna learn Japanese just from watching Holo's even self teaching is almost impossible.
What i would recommend is taking some classes or going on a course for it. They will help you tremendously. Going at it solo is most peoples problems because they learn grammar but dont know structure.
If you can try get a native speaker to give you lessons. If Not you will pick up all the mistakes that the person who is teaching you learned.

-Learn Strokes for Kanji, Hira and Kana if not you're gonna be fucked
- If you can find other Japanese speakers and practise. If you go to Japan you will be fucked if you can't hold a conversation
-Dialect isnt that important its more tone of voice and pitch when it comes to speaking. Some country words might pop up but its very rare.
-Try Expeirence Japan and get a good feel for the language listen to audio books and watch stuff in the language. Don't just limit yourself to one font or a way of speaking its different for everyone.
-3-4 Hours of studying a day broken up into 1 hour blocks.

The best thing i did for learning JP was literally living in Japan.
Before coming i had studied for 2.5 years and had a grasp of the language but dropping yourself into that situation forces you to adapt to it. Some people speak slowly others fast.
Reading it is overall easier like that should take a few years but speaking is the real challenge without others around you won't be able to.

あの　男の子は　だれですか
That Boy Who Is

This is your basic translation for the language. Forget everything you know about english grammar.



Please dont message me asking for lessons or advice. There are literally more qualified people to do that online. To start off with i would recommend the books below they are fully in Japanese and are a great start at the bottom level N5
Commiting to this Language is a full time job its not 1 year and you're perfect for the rest of your life you'll be constantly learning. It could take 3 or 4 years for you to even begin to understand anything. There will be mental hurdles along the way and its your job to overcome them.
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Obviously there are many ways to learn and your mileage will vary to each way. There are some people out there which are completely self-taught, fair play to them, you got to have some serious dedication to stick with it.
 
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Flare birthday live

And it's down for Burgers. This seems to keep happening to these lives where they get region locked within hours.
The live was pretty good, all the guests did one on one songs, the first time I've seen. Flare is fighting her coolness instead of leaning into it like Towa. Her singing pitch was way to high on many of the songs but I loved her belting away with Watame. I personally like when the talents branch out and do songs/collabs with people they normally don't interact.
 
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AyaFubuMi stream just ended. Nice to see Mio during her break and nice to see her win their wee dance challenge. She always seemed underappreciated as a singer and dancer in Hololive. Usually around 30k when I was watching.

And I can see people talking about learning Japanese. I've only done bits and pieces so I can't understand much at all. I was enjoying the Duolingo route since I'd used it for other languages before but too often I find they just kind of dump new info and don't explain why it's there, especially in regards to actual grammar and the particles. Seems like a decent app to learn words and some sentence structure. Got the Genki book recently since I like writing stuff down to learn. Classes in person aren't too common in Ireland unfortunately lol
 
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Sevatonius said:
Hololive Philippines meme has got me thinking and I think a HoloKR is very possible. Ina and Kronii's presence seems to have caught their attention and early 2022 Kiara started courting Korean viewers. She had an explosion of viewers/subs and members from them when she started reaching out with Korean language lessons, collabing with Kronii and pushing her to speak Korean, and saying she wanted to visit the country and now she has a serious cult following from them. She had Korean translators staying up at godforsaken hours and dedicated KR clippers.

The market is very much there. They could keep it a modest venture like what they have done with ID and see if an interest arises. It would definitely fill some of the void left by Niji's departure. And unlike Phillipines, South Koreans have money to burn.
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Bae actually has a bigger KR audience than both Ina and Kronii. Ina barely has one, actually, Kronii and Bae are the big ones.
 
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