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Could someone point me towards material where Nick admits to molesting his sister?
Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger - (Thread 3: JUDGEMENT DAY)
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This isn't what the insanity defense is about, nor what it should be about. When the net's cast as wide as you propose, you could pull the insanity plea and have it work with every criminal possessing a lawyer with more than two brain cells to rub together.
For a parallel to Nickel Nickel, take a gander at Jeffrey Dahmer. The Milwaukee Cannibal was on the schizophrenia spectrum, just like Young Rottooth. But even though Dahmer was mentally diseased, he knew the whole time what he was doing was wrong, and took steps to avoid being caught. As for a case where the mental competency defense was both deserved and successful, there's the case of former pro-wrestler Verne Gagne. In 2009, the former AWA kingpin murdered a 97-year-old man named Helmut Gutmann in a nursing home fight. Gagne was guilty, but never charged with anything because he was suffering from dementia and neither understood his actions nor was even capable of going to trial and understanding the charges against him.
In addition, the competency defense is also not allowed when the defendant think's the crime shouldn't be illegal, nor when the defendant thinks the crime was moral. Even if the defendant is likely to never understand, nor be capable of understanding, that the crime needs to be illegal or immoral, the insanity defense is still not allowed. These are the reasons why the members of the Army of God were sent to prison and death row.
What matters for the insanity defense is: the defendant in question is incapable of understanding the charges against them, or was incapable of understanding their actions when committing the crime. Nick Bate is, without question, irreparably mentally diseased. He should've been confined to the nuthouse a long time ago, but just because he's a schizo doesn't mean he didn't know what he was doing was illegal, nor does it mean he's incapable of standing trial. He did a bad job at trying to hide his crimes, but he still repeatedly denied he molested his sister because even his God-loves-anal brain knows what he did was a crime and something he could get in trouble for.
He can believe molesting his sister was fine. He can believe AO wanted it. He can believe any delusion he likes till a black guy doing life shivs him as part of a gang initiation, but it doesn't matter. Nick Bate knew what he wanted to do was illegal and could send his ass to buttrape if the right people ever found out, but still went on to groom and gaslight his family, rape his sister, and made an effort to avoid capture.
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I'd hate for you to go all the way over tomorrow only to find out that it's basically a waste of a day and miss out on all the other important stuff that happens on the day after Marvin so personally I would say you should wait until Wednesday to go. I don't know how the trial works or how long it'd last but unless he pled out tomorrow I'd imagine it'll last at least another day.
What you do is up to you of course, thank you so much for deciding to go, having an informant there is invaluable to seeing how this all ends for Nick.
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To add a bit more, it's specifically because of a man named Daniel M'Naghten, who, in 1843, fired a pistol at Edward Drummond, the secretary of the British PM, believing that the PM was conducting a campaign of persecution against him.
Afterwards, the high court of England wrote to the judges of England to work out how to deal with the issue of insanity and mental incompetence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M'Naghten_rules
Afterwards, the high court of England wrote to the judges of England to work out how to deal with the issue of insanity and mental incompetence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M'Naghten_rules
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The modern American insanity defense changed after John Hinckley's trial and the Insanity Defense Reform Act of 1984 made it more difficult to get one, with "clear and convincing evidence" from the defendant. People have tried to outsmart it by acting, and Nick doesn't seem like the type to pull it off.
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Since it seems like there's going to be a few people there, I'm gonna go up on Wednesday rather than Tuesday. I figure if he pleas out during the call of the trial list that's scheduled ahead of the case (that seems to happen sometimes), then it'll be a waste to go up with other Kiwis going just to get a picture of him being walked into the courthouse in his prison oranges. If it goes to trial, it's likely to be a multi-day affair and it seems like a big part of the first day will be jury selection.
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I can't figure out how to post to the group, possibly because I'm a tard, but any way. For anyone planning to attend, i live the next town over, about half an hour from lancaster, and would be happy to host a kiwi after court get together. Free wifi, a friendly cat, and bring your own adult beverages to my tiny apartment. Pm me, or I'll see you tomorrow morning
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It is too difficult to get one now - people don't understand it's pretty much always putting people away longer; that it is "getting away with it". I think an open ended stay in a secure mental hospital is probably the right place for Nick, and not a cell that he'll probably get out of eventually.
Putting in that kind of plea requires an admission of the crime, one you do you either go to prison or a mental ward - there's no escaping the system at that point, and I'd rather seem him somewhere he won't get out of until a lot of doctors sign off on the fact he's completely fixed (read never).
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I want to suggest whoever lives the closest go on Tuesday, that way people who live further will find out whether they need to go on Wednesday and won't make some kind of wasted trip. This would depend on personal schedules of course.
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Oh damn, I was waiting for a thread on this guy to come back as I was reading the prior threads a few weeks ago. I almost wish I lived a bit closer to show up for this. Hopefully none of you guys end up wasting a trip.
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Yeah, that's the other thing, if you do convince everybody (extremely hard unless you're a fantastic actor), a stay in the mental hospital means staying years there, possibly involving forced medication. It is not like celebrity rehab where you'll be on the streets in a few months.
Worse for Nick, even if you ARE mentally disturbed, that isn't your ticket out.
In every realistic scenario, Nick is completely screwed.
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The concern that Nick and A's mother would try to convince A not to testify might be why the state filed the motion about third-party testimony.
Also, if anyone's going out for pre-trial breakfast by car, Gracie's on Main in nearby Leola has amazing breakfast.
Also, if anyone's going out for pre-trial breakfast by car, Gracie's on Main in nearby Leola has amazing breakfast.
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It feels weird to know that so many years after being alerted to the crazy world of Nick Bates and everything he said he'd done to Ao followed by years of watching him tweet about Pokemon, Anna and butts like he didn't have a care in the world or remorse for his actions that the process finally starts tomorrow which will decide his fate.
Honestly I'm happy with a minimum of five years imprisonment upwards. Enough to ensure he's somewhere where he can't give in to his temptations to sexually try anything on with children and being punished by the law and showing what he did was not okay will be enough for me. Let's hope over the next few days the right thing happens.
Honestly I'm happy with a minimum of five years imprisonment upwards. Enough to ensure he's somewhere where he can't give in to his temptations to sexually try anything on with children and being punished by the law and showing what he did was not okay will be enough for me. Let's hope over the next few days the right thing happens.
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Personally, I always thought Nick would die from some kind of horrible act of violence before facing charges. Hell, was banking on Sarah Butts being up in a bench before Nick.
Hope someone catches a picture after the judgement. I assume even with a max charges, he would still have that smug shit eating grin on his face thinking some divine event will cause him to not serve jail time.
Hope someone catches a picture after the judgement. I assume even with a max charges, he would still have that smug shit eating grin on his face thinking some divine event will cause him to not serve jail time.
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He's already spent most of the last year in the modern equivalent of a dungeon.
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I think Nick knows he's up a creek. He may not know or comprehend how bad the situation is for him, but he does have some idea. Couple that with how long he's spent in jail and I don't think he'll be too smug looking come judgement day.
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He already wasn't smiling on his way into the arraignment courthouse, if anybody can find that video.
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I kind of wonder what's going through his mind in that video. He's so subdued compared to his online postings... wonder if that's him realizing he fucked up, him being medicated, or something else.