Financial Furry Fuck-Ups - When Funds & Furries Don't Mix

Y'all asked & y'all shall receive:

KrisPup​

That's right, to anyone in the know around 2013-2014, this name may sound familiar and even controversial. Let me tell you that I had no idea who this person was when it was mentioned to me but if I could sum him up in a few words, it'd be "The epitome of 2013 furry femboys who also buys his popularity."

Thank you @Suburban Bastard for the suggestion + links, as well as Kennel Club for the interest!

I highly recommend reading the post before diving into these photos. I did these for ease of month/year tracking.

FA Gallery:
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FA Journals:
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Humble Beginnings​

On our Lord's day of May 25th, 2013 KrisPup (AKA Kris Fairlady on SL) blessed FA with his presence by posting the following picture:
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And before anyone freaks out:
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With his first post being what modern day users would call a "Thirst Trap", Kris began to form and grow his fursona. Below is an illustration of his first gallery post, a free template he colored in:
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How did he come to choose a Husky/Dalmatian mix? He later posts:
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"I'm a husky/dalmatian, mostly because I grew up with a husky, and then a dalmatian. :3 Although, I've always felt like a doggy on the inside, even when I was little." :stress:

Making Ripples​

Kris began socializing in earnest at the beginning of August, 2013 in which both his galleries and journals began to grow at rates that would be considered suspect for someone of his age.
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Notice the shit self-coloring in July, only for August to make up a majority of art he received during his furry career. One would have to think this kid was a trust-fund cunt to get all of this high-grade art. One peek onto his journals and FA Forum posts would suggest differently:
Journals pandering for raffles:
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Shameless e-begging for art in forum request threads:
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If he got a majority of the art in his gallery via raffles, freebies, requests or actually paying for them is questionable. With this much pandering, I'll bet he was enough of a pest for him to wear down the resolve of lesser artists to where they would comply just so he would fuck off.

Making Waves​

August was a rather successful month for Kris, after e-begging networking Kris sought out to gain popularity the only way he knew how to - by throwing money at it.
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That's right, a raffle that had Kris pay furry artist turned scammer Jailbird $1k to have the winner's character fornicating with Kris'.
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And the prize?

Non-existent.

In true financial fuck-up fashion, Jailbird would cut and run years later from this event. But this winner's journal hinted at things to come...

Raging Rapids​

The height of Kris' notoriety would come in the form of a journal, one with more promise and freedom than the last:
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Look at the amount of comments on this journal. Three. Fucking. Thousand. Plus. And Kris said "we" would check every single entry. This would be more than any one person could chew AND caused FA issues with the frantic creation of a few thousand journals in hopes of getting that :tugboat:. He would address the growing situation two days later in another journal:
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In this journal he tells his simps watchers to stop making journals as the site rules changed (because of Kris) and that they can get an EXTRA chance at the wad of cash if they promote his raffle outside of FA.

Of course, this didn't come without:
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"Discussions with a lawyer" :lit:

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And it goes on and on and on...

Peak Tide​

With a few thousand furries having joined in on the fray to get enough to buy a cheap partial, a winner was declared:
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"I understand that many of you have been upsetted by the fact that you find it hard to believe that a furry would giveaway $1111.00 out of the kindness of his heart to another person that he's never met. But I'm just a derpy dog I guess, that really wanted to make someone happy. And I did get something from the $1111.00, I got to feel really super good knowing that I helped someone else out. Which is selfish in a way, but knowing that I was able to make someone happy instead of spending that money on myself, makes me happy! ^^"

This above quote tells us a lot about Kris. Not only was this for clout, but also to paint himself in a charitable light in an incredibly tone-deaf and non self-aware kind of way.

If you had any shred of hope that Kris is a good guy, let's take a look at his Twitter.

Ending Not With a Bang...​

Kris' final journal was the winning announcement of the infamous $1111 raffle on New Year's Eve. He would go on to continue to post few pieces of art up until March of 2014 FA, whhen he would move to twitter for only a few months. Very few things on his Twitter are notable, but also show the kind of lifestyle and attitude he had:
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...But With a Whimper​

Kris' last post was on June 4th of 2014:
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Only a year and a month after he came into the eyes and minds of the fandom, he left just as quickly.
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Washed-Up Gems​

Having taken the better part of a day to make this thread, I have noticed a pattern or two in Kris and how he saw the world, or at least the general idea of others.

To better understand where I'm coming from, allow me to introduce Kris' plush,

Fudge Puppy​

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If you haven't already seen, the caption reads,
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Just Fudge Puppy, A gangster stuffed animal that spends his free time selling meth in our back yard. :3

He may look adorable, but when you look away he will swiftly pickpocket you, and even steal your watch to pawn at the pawn shop!

He talks with mostly profanities, (Yo ni**a this, yo ni**a that) but if you can get past that, his good qualities are umm... uhh.. he's soft!"

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"That plush on my head is named Fudge Puppy, He's my gangster dog plushy that self proclaims he himself killed Tupac. He tries his hardest to get into every commission I ever do by sneaking around and photobombing at the last second, or just relaxing in the background for the cameo! >///<! :3"

Fudge Puppy makes it into a handful of Kris' art, and the stereotypical hood/gang depiction of him is rather odd. For someone who is as affluent as Kris, this wouldn't be something he's exposed to in his bubble of safety and security. But A few additional tweets shed some light on why he projects this character on his plush.:
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Kris' intent to put on a "gangsta" front with underage drinking and a plush who matched that fantasy clashed with the reality of Starbucks, first-class flights and expensive designer clothes. Among hordes of attention and "gifts" from the furry fandom, he lived in a fantasy where he was the life of the party, center of attention, and with a golden heart to boot, fronted by the "charity" of raffling away cash.

Aftermath​

In closing, Kris' time in the spotlight of the fandom was little over a year, and during that time he would beg for free art, boast about how much art he had, raffle off money for attention under guise of charity, all while living the life of an immature, sheltered child. With how fast Kris made a name for himself in the fandom, he was riding a high from the constant notifications on FA. The notifications would be either people watching his page, being lewd with him over his art or simply just getting a chance at free art. When he wanted more, he threw money at the issue, causing a slowdown and new rule to be implemented in FA, dispute over if the raffle was legal and strife as it was clear as day to everyone what he was doing - but those who were hopeful of his chance of free money followed along. It could be said that his halo was held high by his horns, as he saw himself as someone who could do no wrong. This emboldened him as he attended multiple furry cons where he engaged in underage drinking, partying and most likely hedonistic benders. With how fast he both entered and exited, it's clear the money he was using for all of this was not his own, most likely from his parents. Despite the fact he never worked for that money, he took it and ran with it and the prestige that came with it. Since Kris took a very unexpected and quiet exit, I can only think that his parents had cut him off to reel him in from his constant partying and trading money for attention.

In theory, if Kris was left unchecked he would have burned through any amount of money he had access to, and all he would have to show for it was fancy clothes, digital art and internet points. Trusting the likes of someone who has never worked for anything that they own and lives in the fantasy land that upper-class people do always ends in a crash and a burn. Too bad it didn't drag out to where we could have seen it - watching someone lost in the fantasy of wealth followed by the slap of reality is often satisfying for everyone people like Kris shit on all his life. A financial fuck-up, come and gone.
 

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Wow, and I thought Lou was bad. I mean, Lou *is* bad, but I'm absolutely floored, and I've been around forever. While I know this thread doesn't cover responsible people, I feel like if it's your money that you worked for, eh, do whatever makes you happy. Everyone's got a hobby they probably spend a bit too much on, but if it's your money and it makes you happy, go for it.
 
It's funny how that $1325 feels like a small amount compared to Miles-DF's work.

Spending that much money on porn is probably one of the worst things you can consoom just because of how little time you spend using it. At least with things like games you can play them and have fun for a while. On the other hand, you'll jerk off to your porn commissions a few times (at best) and then it'll just collect metaphorical dust on your hard drive.

Max from the Korps thread is one of the first people that comes to mind when I think of art consoomers.
For anyone out of the loop, he's a fat 30-something-year-old tranny and Peter Griffin lookalike who got groomed a couple of years ago by another tranny. Unsurprisingly, he's also a massive coomer who is constantly buying art of his big-titted fursona.



These nearly $400 worth of commissions were posted on Twitter in only the past WEEK.
This doesn't even account for Patreon subscriptions or commissions that are still in progress (some of which are without a doubt more expensive).
Like I said in the Korp's thread. You're talking about the dude who thousands of dollars of a pair of ugly ass bolt on tits. It's no surprise they blow multiple hundreds of dollars on porn to reaffirm the entire 'uwu i'm such a big booby sexy coyote gurlll'.
 
I swear to god, wealthiest furries always has the ugliest characters.
That's because they can afford to think completely with their peens. Why make a good character design when you can literally afford to be in a $10,000+ costume of a big-titted fox/dragon/wolf hybrid with a giant throbbing horsecock?

EDIT: And the thread is out of PG, yay!
 
This is one of the things i've always personally suspect myself. It's like the priorities in their head are so fucked they choose furry porn over their well being. Used to be a story on ED on a homeless military vet who did a fundraiser to help him out and then blew it all on furry comissions.
 
Probably worth mentioning that Miles-DF is from Russia so with the money he's racking in from commissions he essentially became an oligarch in a country where you can barely make enough to get food and pay rent with a regular job.
 
This is one of the things i've always personally suspect myself. It's like the priorities in their head are so fucked they choose furry porn over their well being. Used to be a story on ED on a homeless military vet who did a fundraiser to help him out and then blew it all on furry comissions.
I member that guy. Lupine or something? His character was a black wolf. I remember he enlisted in the army for like two weeks before getting booted out.
 
Ah the furry fandom and money. Where else will you find such salivating examples of entitled white people mismanaging their paychecks, blowing trust funds, or be one of those odd ducks who actually has a good job that pays well and does their best to compartmentalize their lifestyle, all in the name of chasing the (stuffed) dragon? And let's not forget the grifters, the thieves, the psychotic and the deviant; the furry fetish subculture welcomes everyone! Just remember to bring money!...or grift it off one of the rubes!

Of course let's not forget the black, asian, latino people, etc who've also been suckered in under whatever pretense they've either been fed or feed themselves with but by and large it is a community of white people and white people money. That's it, that's the 'suspicious wealth'. And for as long as this sexual subculture existed it's been nothing but a delightful trail of financial tears, with 65 billion to 1 odds that there will be more grift, manipulation, and mismanaged money in the future.
 
This is one of the things i've always personally suspect myself. It's like the priorities in their head are so fucked they choose furry porn over their well being. Used to be a story on ED on a homeless military vet who did a fundraiser to help him out and then blew it all on furry comissions.

I’m no proponent of communism, but can you imagine their autistic screeching if we lived in a society where there was an 8 year long waitlist on fur suits, that’d be made out of papier-mâché and discarded material from a carpet factory…

And you could only choose between two models: Rabotnik, the hero collective farm mouse or Kriminalski: The NKVD Wolf protecting the people from bourgeois wreckers and capitalist exploitation.
 
It’s literally the dril tweet:
Food $200
Data $150
Rent $800
Furry Porn $3,600
Utility $150
FTFY
Food $200 $400
Data $150
Rent $800 $1,200
Furry Porn $3,600 $5,000
Utility $150 $250

Since everyone is talking about Furry artists, prices, and drama, I got some stuff that might be fun.
TL:biggrin:R a very popular furry artist by the names of Summer/Falvie/GANYiAO/Popparotzi/Carnalgarden got into drugs and scammed a large amount of people.

I know this has been touched on in the "Furry Fandom and Drama General" thread, so not sure if it warrants an entire dump/recap.
Here is a highlight around her taking donations and running off. Not even for art, just donations.
Source: https://twitter.com/NaysPinClub/status/1283449738696765442?s=19
Archive: https://archive.ph/c4H7J

Source: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kJT38MDoq19pAJhYz68ik6OIkq_S8vH7yS4Ig1h7pjM/edit
Archive: https://archive.ph/Tenrs

Sample related to money scammed:

Related Falvie posts:

Falvie Pricing:
Source: https://twitter.com/falvie/status/1437910642262958082
Archive: https://archive.ph/uIEUe

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I hate you all, I found this while digging up old information for this damn post. Just discovered this.
Archive: https://archive.ph/48Rq4

I'm sure this has some "interesting" rabbit holes though somewhere in this mess. Can clearly see what people are spending, on what, at which shops, and estimated price ranges.

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Edit: Added old pricing info for Falvie for more context.
 
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I used to dabble in commissions and adoptables and let me tell you, the reckless spending in the art field isn't just a furry problem. Aside from just satisfying your fetish, the main reason (from what I have seen) for the constant need of art with your character/furrsona/etc. is the fact that these people live in a fantasy world and need to kind of "bring it to reality" through depicting it in art.

Furries are most prone to this because they imagine themselves to be fictional creatures that are not human. And they sometimes take it to such a ridiculous degree that it crossess the line between just larping and unironically believing you're a pink-haired, blue-furred anthro dog. Furries also seem to have the most depraved fetishes, which is evidenced by the existance of such specific words as "babyfur", so if you're buying or selling furry fetish shit there's always something for you.

Now more generally, the stuff I used to draw was oc and fandom-specific. And you would not fucking believe the amouts of money some people are willing to spend to have a mediocre drawing of their shitty oc and some character from a game/show/movie/etc. kissing or fucking or just standing next to each other and shit. I have some oc stuff of my own but I would never pay any amount for a fucking drawing. Mostly my shit is just in my head and I don't even draw it or write about it much myself and I can't comprehend being so invested in your fantasy to go so far as to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars just to have your shit visualised.

These people want to escape the real world so badly they become completely enthralled by fictional worlds, characters and ideas. The fact that they can and will put themselves and their family into debt for a drawing or a costume is pure insanity.
Pretending to live in a fictional world cannot make you happy - a fictional character will never love you and you will never be anything else than a human living in our current world. You are real, your family and friends are real, your life is real but your fursona or an oc is not. You just have to deal with it or else you might become a laughing stock, a degenerate outcast or just fucking deprressed.
 
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Something I'd like to add is furries tend to make being a furry their entire identity, which of course alienates those around them who aren't complete degenerates. But instead of realising this and bettering themselves socially they just double down with fiction and asspatters until reality finally hits them in the wallet.

I feel that this is a common problem with fandoms/gender/etc. as a whole but nowhere is it stronger than in the furry fandom.
 
I used to dabble in commissions and adoptables and let me tell you, the reckless spending in the art field isn't just a furry problem. Aside from just satisfying your fetish, the main reason (from what I have seen) for the constant need of art with your character/furrsona/etc. is the fact that these people live in a fantasy world and need to kind of "bring it to reality" through depicting it in art.
Good! Take them for as much as you can.

Every dollar they don’t pay for a commission would probably be spend on a dragon dildo or some shit like that.


And you would not fucking believe the amouts of money some people are willing to spend to have a mediocre drawing of their shitty oc and some character from a game/show/movie/etc. kissing or fucking or just standing next to each other and shit. I have some oc stuff of my own but I would never pay any amount for a fucking drawing. Mostly my shit is just in my head and I don't even draw it or write about it much myself and I can't comprehend being so invested in your fantasy to go so far as to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars just to have your shit visualised.

Absolute sheer, fucking insanity. Sure, got the ressources to buy a nice painting for your office/living room? Go for it.

But spending 500-1000$ on a mediocrely drawn dog fisting another dog?

Ffs, if you’re just a lonely, horny basement dweller, that kind of cash can get you a really nice escort.

(Or a fentanyl addicted truck stop chick wearing a furry costume you bought!)

Fuck, sit down and write and make all the imaginary worlds you want to. Or spend a fraction of the money on some art supplies and classes and make your own fapfodder.

But furries gotta do furry shit because of their unique combination of autism, sexual deviancy and basement NEET lifestyle.

These people want to escape the real world so badly they become completely enthralled by fictional worlds, characters and ideas. The fact that they can and will put themselves and their family into debt for a drawing or a costume is pure insanity.
Pretending to live in a fictional world cannot make you happy - a fictional character will never love you and you will never be anything else than a human living in our current world. You are real, your family and friends are real, your life is real but your fursona or an oc is not. You just have to deal with it or else you might become a laughing stock, a degenerate outcast or just fucking deprressed.
The problem is that most of them don’t have a “real life”. Their friends are online, mom and dad just don’t understand or are used as the financial host of their parasites.

It’s a long, boring slog from 20-50 with nothing but Twitch, Twitter and fapping.

If you sent every furry out to a work camp for 6-12 months, to be socialized and get used to physical labor, and making a living, the lifestyle would die out. And/or be replaced by people interested in anthropomorphic art as a hobby.
 
That is a staggering amount of money. There will be a time when that dall.e program gets out of the test phase. When that happens I am convinced it is only a matter of time before the most autistic furrys warp a version of this into something truly awful. An AI capable of producing horrors beyond anything we've seen thus far. No one can stop it, furrys are accepted by programmers and it will be hailed in with laughter and cheers on Twitter.

The future is not a bright one.
 
That is a staggering amount of money. There will be a time when that dall.e program gets out of the test phase. When that happens I am convinced it is only a matter of time before the most autistic furrys warp a version of this into something truly awful. An AI capable of producing horrors beyond anything we've seen thus far. No one can stop it, furrys are accepted by programmers and it will be hailed in with laughter and cheers on Twitter.

The future is not a bright one.
There used to be a furry AI generator but the autist- artist community got so pissed, they basically forced the person to rip it down.
Nevermind, looks like it is back up!

Drama:
Source: https://i.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/gfam2y/furries_creator_of_this_fursona_does_not_exist/
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/2021111...rries_creator_of_this_fursona_does_not_exist/

[Furries] Creator of "This Fursona Does Not Exist" Fursona Generator Receives Legal Threats, Community Backlash(self)
1553 points submitted 2 years ago * by Soycrates
Over the last couple of days, the furry community (of which I am not part of - more on that later) has become aware of a website that displays a grid of AI-generated furry portraits trained with styleGAN2, a popular machine learning framework mainly used for AI-generated portraits. The website, called "This Fursona Does Not Exist" creates new furry portraits from a dataset of roughly 55,000 images taken from the image board e621. The response to this experiment has ranged from excitement, to skepticism, to legal threats - and the situation only seems to be escalating as the site gains more attention.
Why I'm writing about it, despite not being a furry or interested in the culture, has to do with two reasons. The first being that the creator of the website (arfa) is a moderator in a Dark Souls community that I'm also a mod in, and had been sharing the project in the Discord for weeks before the explosion of notoriety and criticism. So now a bunch of Soulsborne players are talking about furry drama, watching safely from the sidelines to see if any of the furries follow through with legal action, popcorn in hand. The second less confusing and more relevant reason is that, while browsing the conversation on Twitter, I found a post from someone who claims to know artists that are already filing DMCA takedowns against the website's creator... using an image that is obviously generated by the network and not an actual artist. In short, a furry artist is pretending the network stole their art to prove art theft is wrong, by taking an AI-generated image and claiming it is their own.
Positive responses
to the website have not been completely absent. Twitter threads in response to the creation of the site have included people happy that they can start creating their own fursona from a neutral reference point created by the network, or furries just having fun with the occasionally odd creations that the website spits out. The hacking and tech community has taken much less offense to its creation, approaching it with an almost anthropological eye on the study of furry culture in general (a conversation about the tool has appeared in Hacker News though still skeptical about the copyright claims made by the creator).
Negative responses are extremely abundant on the creator's own link to the site, including criticism for the use of the term "spirit animal", anger about fursonas that look too similar to the commenter's own creation, and assumptions that the network is not altering the images "at all" but instead cropping the images and reposting them while lying about the generative model's involvement in restructuring of images. Legal action about the creator's improper use of art from e621 (which, according to some artists in the comments, contains reposts of their artwork that they did not consent to) has been threatened more than a handful of times in various threads on Twitter, with one furry in particular (Ramune) claiming that they know people who are already filing DMCA takedowns.
The creator's reply to the situation has mostly been laughing at the threads where furry artists misrepresent or misunderstand AI-generated imagery (such as the commenter who believed that the website was just copying and pasting furry art, despite multiple people trying to explain to them the process the images go through and how it differs from traced art) and as a jab to the detractors changed one of the website's loading texts to "Hiding Crimes". They've yet to say anything about receiving actual legal notice to take down the site.
And finally, the fake stolen art. The furry going by Ramune who claims to know artists that are filing DMCA takedowns posted two images to Twitter, the first being a statement made by an artist on facebook who says they do not support the website, and that the art it generates is not edited enough to not be a simple edit of an existing work by an original artist. The second, and more damning image, is a side-by-side comparison of one of the AI-generated furry portraits juxtaposed with what they are implying (but not giving detail towards) an original piece of art by an artist who goes by "smiler" according to the signature on the right.
The website creator responded soon after, asking for the source of the image/who the artist was as they were unable to find the image on the net anywhere but in this post. Were the image to exist, it would be on e621. Ramune responded to arfa with the facebook image - except the image lacks the context of the artist claiming this is their art. The independent researcher Gwern Branwen (of gwern.net) replied, pointing out that the image Ramune claims was stolen has several marks exposing it as a GAN-generated composition. The image is, unmistakably, an edited version of one of the images generated by This Fursona Does Not Exist, with colouring and a signature slapped on to make it appear as if it was original art. When asked for the source of the image, Ramune simply replies "Ask the OP who stole all the art. <3" and deflects by saying they never go on e621 so they would not be able to find the original source.
TL;DR - guy creates styleGAN2 furry generator. Furry community rife with mixed and volatile responses, eventually resorting to faked images of art theft and legal threats. Kerfuffle piques interest of notable tech researcher/reporter, creator of the website pokes fun at the drama by updating website with "Hiding Crimes" loading message.
Also, Vice has now written about the site.
Update: The person who was claiming the website was reposting existing art has been informed it was fake. The creator of the edit (based on the AI-generated image) came forward, explaining that they gave full context when posting the edit, which was then removed and reposted by someone to incriminate the website creator.
Update 2: The website's creator has now received this email, a DMCA complaint filed by the "Furry Broadcasting Network LLC" (a furry online radio station).
 
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