Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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If we’re talking just VISUALLY passing from a distance, you could just get nipples tattoo’d on. It would look better than the burnt peeling pepperoni you see on so many FTM’s, and be just as functional (e.g. not).

With cancer, presumably the nipples are not saved because of the risk that they might also be cancerous.
I like nipples in general, so I don't get it. They exist on men for licking, I am convinced of it. They are tongue magnets. I'm assuming gay men like man-nips, too.

FtM troons also butcher their thighs and arms to get skin grafts, which I think is totally counter productive. The features I find most attractive on men's bodies include nice manly thighs and arms-- and these are completely destroyed during the process of trooning out for FtMs. I'd forgive a dude with a weird or small looking natural peen if he has nice arms and legs. The peen is part of an overall picture, it's not the main focus to me.

FtMs would probably have better luck attracting a woman, at least, if they left their arms and legs alone and focused on weight lifting-- and avoided bizarre phallo attempts. They might attract straight women who have vaginismus (a common problem where women find sex with dicks to be painful), for example.

As far as a FtM trying to attract gay men, they're just plain delusional. Most gay men are into dick. Women can get off on someone who can eat pussy well, or someone with decently quick fingers, maybe a strap on-- but gay men want real dicks. I understand the motivation, because gay men are often very hot-- but FtMs simply have to mourn reality and move on just like most women do.

I'm sure I'm not the only woman or gay man who believes nice arms and legs are important when it comes to a man's attractiveness.

The leg grafts are also doubly horrifying, because I'm sure many FtMs have that nuisance cellulite women often have regardless of physical fitness level- so these FtMs wind up with grafted/angry red thighs with cellulite in the back. Yuck.
 
As far as a FtM trying to attract gay men, they're just plain delusional. Most gay men are into dick.

I’m sure you can find the occasional weird GoldTop gay dude who’s only into ass, but the bigger problem is that he’s unlikely to be attracted to FTMs because they rarely act like men. Gay or straight.

There are always horny menwhores who'll fuck anything with a pulse. Them and chasers seem to be prime FTM material.
Women can get off on someone who can eat pussy well, or someone with decently quick fingers, maybe a strap on-- but gay men want real dicks. I understand the motivation, because gay men are often very hot-- but FtMs simply have to mourn reality and move on just like most women do.

Most Gaydens seem to fall into two categories:

The butch/self hating lesbian who usually finds either another trans man to be “gay” with, or a lesbian girlfriend. (Usually a Lesbian who calls herself “non binary”)


The other category is the autistic chick (sometimes with SA in her past, sometimes not) who have turned troon because of social contagion/anime along with a hearty dose of autism.

They either fumble around partnerless, or find another troon to shack up with.

While the former sometimes get along with guys, the latter doesn’t know how to act around them or is intimidated and constantly bitch about “transphobes” in the gay community.

They’re also easy to spot because unlike most of the butch lesbians, they’re also thoroughly femininely socialized.

The bewilderment of a helium voiced, pube bearded manlet walking, gesturing and acting like a woman, who wonders why they got “clocked” never ceases to amuse me.
 
What ungodly horrors are lurking within the depths of this amhole?

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Well that’s not a good colour combination. The pink on the left looks almost like granulation tissue, or a fistula forming and the grey/white could be rot or the mother of all yeast coatings. Really who knows, but it’d make an very interesting swab culture set. I’m not surprised it smells. You know you can diagnose a lot of infections by smell? Strep has a specific smell, as do things like clostridium.
 
R/FTM is literally a goldmine of confused teenage girls being groomed into troondom by older Aidens.

“I don’t have dysphoria but I kinda want to be a man… Am I trans?”

“Totally! I felt the same way, until I tried the Euphoria of T!!!”


And of course there’s plenty of medical
grooming.

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So the doctor, wisely and ethically, suggested no surgery at all because of the unnecessary risk.

And a wild Gayden instantly chimes in with ANOTHER kind of top surgery that they could do instead!

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“Don’t listen to the doctor bro! Trust me, I know what I’m talking about!”
 
u/aidenjosiahhh has posted about their hairy baloney.
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I thought it was an amputated arm at first.
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Also, why the fuck do they never shave them? Are they all virgins who think real men have hairy wangs? Are the just lazy? It actually quite rare to see a picture on r/phallo of a hairless one.
 
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And of course there’s plenty of medical
grooming.

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So the doctor, wisely and ethically, suggested no surgery at all because of the unnecessary risk.

And a wild Gayden instantly chimes in with ANOTHER kind of top surgery that they could do instead!

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“Don’t listen to the doctor bro! Trust me, I know what I’m talking about!”

This is wild. All the other group members had to do was advise this user to try mowing the backyard in trunks or going for a jog in gym shorts to see how things went.

But as always with redditors it's nuclear option first.
 
u/aidenjosiahhh has posted about their hairy baloney.
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Totally normal, fellow dude!

Who among us True and Honest bros haven’t gone to sleep worrying about creasing our cock, or cutting off circulation?

I hope they recommend him to wear some tight speedos and get some fresh air at the beach!

Can you imagine the looks of horror from both men and women as a manlet comes waddling along with THAT bulging ominously?
Also, why the fuck do they never shave them? Are they all virgins who think real men have hairy wangs? Are the just lazy? It actually quite rare to see a picture on r/phallo of a hairless one.

I think most of them have never actually seen a cock. Either that or they completely try to over compensate with these ridiculous 6 inch long un erect dongs.

Even their pee devices/packers are ridiculously oversized compared to what a normal dick looks like.


And BTW, does anyone have some ideas for Mangledwoods here? He wants to be a parent some day. And have biological children. Is there any way that can happen?


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His bros suggests to harvest an egg, use IVF and implant it into a surrogate.

Surely avoiding getting reminded that you’re not actually a man is worth a 50-60.000$ and nine months of pregnancy for someone ELSE.


And GREAT NEWS GUYS!

A fellow bro is only a year away from getting his dingaling!

Ah, the things he will be able to finally do!

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Oh wait… Not worry about it falling off, having sensation in it…. Floating in the bath. New positions.

Oh fuck, his Armsausage won’t actually BE ABLE to do any of that! (Except for being fondled while watching TV, like all real men do!)

Unfortunately his fellow troons somehow forgot to tell him that, and just offer their hearty “congrats bro!”
 
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Ok, so I'm officially caught up on this thread. Can someone please explain why some FTMs opt for delayed abdominal phalloplasty? The results are way uglier than arm and thigh bolognas and seem to require more surgeries just to get it into a somewhat correct position. I've read some FTMs saying the scarring is less prominent, but that couldn't possibly be the only reason? Right?
 
Totally normal, fellow dude!

Who among us True and Honest bros haven’t gone to sleep worrying about creasing our cock, or cutting off circulation?

I hope they recommend him to wear some tight speedos and get some fresh air at the beach!

Can you imagine the looks of horror from both men and women as a manlet comes waddling along with THAT bulging ominously?


I think most of them have never actually seen a cock. Either that or they completely try to over compensate with these ridiculous 6 inch long un erect dongs.

Even their pee devices/packers are ridiculously oversized compared to what a normal dick looks like.


And BTW, does anyone have some ideas for Mangledwoods here? He wants to be a parent some day. And have biological children. Is there any way that can happen?


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His bros suggests to harvest an egg, use IVF and implant it into a surrogate.

Surely avoiding getting reminded that you’re not actually a man is worth a 50-60.000$ and nine months of pregnancy for someone ELSE.


And GREAT NEWS GUYS!

A fellow bro is only a year away from getting his dingaling!

Ah, the things he will be able to finally do!

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Oh wait… Not worry about it falling off, having sensation in it…. Floating in the bath. New positions.

Oh fuck, his Armsausage won’t actually BE ABLE to do any of that! (Except for being fondled while watching TV, like all real men do!)

Unfortunately his fellow troons somehow forgot to tell him that, and just offer their hearty “congrats bro!”
I'm so disturbed at all these troons, FtM and MtF, that all "want kids someday". Good God.
I also have the feeling women will be coerced, economically or emotionally, to be cheap surrogates for these degenerates in no short time.
 
Ok, so I'm officially caught up on this thread. Can someone please explain why some FTMs opt for delayed abdominal phalloplasty? The results are way uglier than arm and thigh bolognas and seem to require more surgeries just to get it into a somewhat correct position. I've read some FTMs saying the scarring is less prominent, but that couldn't possibly be the only reason? Right?
Sensation mostly. The claim is that nerves are not cut but pulled down instead. This should theoretically give better tactile sensation but if we look at the multiple examples of this technique on this thread I don't see any noticeable differences in what they say compared to other methods.

I also think a large part of it is bullshit claims by the surgeons. 80% of the delayed abdominal is done by Cetrulo and he has been clearly lying to his patients. The other 20% are from 1-2 other surgeons (I forget names) but since this method is a mad scientist experiment (even compared to the other techniques) they likely have also been lying and up-selling this technique as a way to experiment and make a name for themselves.

Basically, Present day Josef Megele's are manipulating dumb girls into 6+ surgeries for money and notoriety.
 
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Why do they need to take so much muscle from the donor sites to create the trouser-trunk for an FTM? It seems like they do not just harvest skin, but much of the skeletal muscle too, as many of the donor areas look like a huge chunk was bitten off of the area from a predatory animal. In many cases, all that is left is scarred skin stretched over bone with no muscle layer underneath in the aftermath. These examples in this thread look like the surgeons have permanently crippled the affected limb in the area for something that does not even look or work like a real dick.

Is it to try and provide some degree of muscular structural support for the crotch sausage as it lacks a smooth muscle layer like a real penis?
 
Why do they need to take so much muscle from the donor sites to create the trouser-trunk for an FTM? It seems like they do not just harvest skin, but much of the skeletal muscle too, as many of the donor areas look like a huge chunk was bitten off of the area from a predatory animal. As it often looks like scarred skin stretched over bone with no muscle layer underneath in the aftermath, these examples look like the surgeons have permanently crippled the affected limb in the area for something that does not even look or work like a real dick.

Is it to try and provide some degree of muscular structural support for the crotch sausage as it lacks a smooth muscle layer like a real penis?
They don't take any muscle. They take a full-thickness graft. Skin and fat.
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Somewhere on this thread there's a TiF video of her rolling it up and twisting it. There's no structural support to the sausages before implants.
 
There are podcasts and books about cults that will touch on cult-like groups and warning signs, just to say, "hey, this might not officially be a traditional cult with a central guru, but it has some unhealthy red flags." (The podcast A Little Bit Culty is an example of this, even though they're extremely normie).
I really wish we were far enough along in this whole troon process for programs like that to be able to talk about the trans stuff already! They deal with untangling personal accountability and the harm you did in the cult vs the harm done to you and brainwashing, for one thing. The thought-terminating cliches, circular reasoning, isolation from friends/family, control of language, all that stuff is there.
Imo if detransitioners could get a bigger picture of the psychology of this stuff outside of gender bs, plus talk to ex-cult people who have NOTHING to do with SJW/gender/political bullshit, it could help give them language to talk about it and get them out of the "obsessed with gender, but now I'm an insane obsessed radfem" loop.
It's too bad that at this point, nobody will touch this stuff with a ten-foot pole. There MUST be people who produce these programs who KNOW it's going to be an issue someday.
You can actually pretty effectively argue these things without getting into the minutiae of gender stuff or whatever, but the people who need to hear it won't have it. Their goal pretty much always seems to be to dismiss you as being a bad person and so whatever you say is irrelevant because it's all bad faith. Their obsession with language and constant goal post moving is really the crux of the whole thing, you can grant them almost every single possible premise and show how the logic is fundamentally broken and they won't care if you flub a term they've decided now is a dogwhistle. Show them a clearly wrong premise is false or flawed and they'll spend an endless amount of time trying to discredit the source and you for using it. They jump to "you want trans people to die" no matter what you might have said because they just want to terminate the conversation rather than risk raising any doubts in their own mind.

People don't want to say it's a cult because it sounds cruel and everything around the subject has been framed as affirming care being the only thing that will save lives. Nobody wants to reject that premise because it's a difficult task to explore and then if you don't back off the entire weight of the cult comes down on you. Look at Jesse Singal, who is for everything including possibly putting kids on puberty blockers and letting them get surgery, but he's written about it skeptically and demanding better evidence rather than shitty studies and when they aren't talking about wanting to rape him to death while claiming he tries to rape trans women they're also claiming his one Atlantic article like five years ago led to the entire Genocide.

Unless or until all these frauds are exposed clearly and publicly I don't think people who outsource their own thinking to "experts" are going to question affirming care as anything but proven medical science.

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“Just smile and shut up and say life saving surgery ffs! Your medical horror stories ARE PUTTING TRANS MEN AT RISK!!!”
TyNyeTheTransGuy seems to think that the best science is done when your hypothesis is completely unfalsifiable.
 
This was posted earlier in the thread, but it looks like there is also some degree of muscle degeneration in the area as well. It is hard to tell because of all of the scar tissue, though.

The lower part of the forearm is mostly just tendons, bone, fat. Very little muscle mass in that area. So it's a lot thinner there sans fat than people would usually think.
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The grafts cause the arm to look quite unsettling as now there's no fat layer between the skin and tendons/muscle. The skin they usually use to replace the original is a shallow graft from the thigh.
 
The lower part of the forearm is mostly just tendons, bone, fat. Very little muscle mass in that area. So it's a lot thinner there sans fat than people would usually think.
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The grafts cause the arm to look quite unsettling as now there's no fat layer between the skin and tendons/muscle. The skin they usually use to replace the original is a shallow graft from the thigh.
Some of the techniques used for phalloplasty like the "Cricket Bat Flap" procedure look like something from the stroggification sequence from Quake IV.

Actually, let's make this into a "How It's Actually Made" video meme and start posting it places so it catches on...

"How SRS is Actually Performed"

 
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