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Do you think if you keep arguing you'll find a poll supporting your position? I've posted quite a few links

reason you're not researching is you know most Americans support some degree of legality where tehy live
Emphasized the key point for you.

Yes, even non-absolutist pro-lifers support abortion along a spectrum spanning “health of the mother only” to “first trimester, no reason needed.” These people are not the problem—they’re willing to compromise as long as, in the words of Slick Willy, it ends up “safe, legal, and rare.”

The Moloch worshippers of the American Left, however, demand abortion at any time for any reason and will NOT compromise that position.

Stop conflating ‘most Americans support abortion’ with the stance of the Molochites and you might have an argument.
 
Then the Dems can use the nuclear option, if this is the hill hey want to die on. We both know they won't because it piss off religious blacks and the Catholic Church (older Hispanics), and the only way democrats ever win anything federally is by the skin of their teeth, so they need those votes. There is no Democrat equivalent of Reagan's 1984 win, because the United States is a fundamentally conservative country.

If you don't have the votes to make something federal law, that is the system working as intended.
I think the SC ruling explicitly says this is a state issue and not federal. Congress can't do anything that would be considered Constitutional by this court so it's up to the state legislatures.
 
I high key wish that abortion could come down to a national plebiscite just because the insanity in the run up to the poll would be so kino.
 
Leftists hate federalism even more than they do babies.

That seems to be one of the core and lasting principles of the left in this country and it goes back generations and across totally different political landscapes - they love centralized power and they can't stand the idea that states might have different laws and different values.
the population of only six states support "illegal in most cases"

try again
 
I was joking, the Christian Right have always been a joke, trying to find tricks to impose their agenda on a country that does not agree with them in the majority
What are you talking about? The whole point of this Roe shit is that the federal government CAN’T dictate this stuff to everyone that disagrees with them. Kicking it to states means states can tailor abortion laws to what those states want.
 
What are you talking about? The whole point of this Roe shit is that the federal government CAN’T dictate this stuff to everyone that disagrees with them. Kicking it to states means states can tailor abortion laws to what those states want.

the population of only six states support "illegal in most cases", and only by a hair

that's really the gist of it, this sweep of red states banning it is going to be profoundly unpopular, and unpopular in those states
 
You shouldn't even be concerned about this ruling because it will be so easy to enact at the statutory level.
While that's ideally the level at which it should happen, you run smack into the issue of first-past-the-post retardation. This, ideally, needs resolved but it never will because it doesn't favor the incumbents to do so.

For example, in 2020, PA went to Biden by a 50-48.8 split. Back in 2016, it went to Trump in 48.2 to 47.5. That suggests a nearly dead-even heat between conservatives and liberals in the state-at-large, yet its state senate and house results favor republicans by a wide margin that suggests a whopping 42-56 split. If you look at the districts (you can click on the map and the link thereby to see the population), you'll find that they're in terms of population fairly close - oscillating between about 240k to 300k. But the geography is just wild to achieve this, and leads to some smaller towns (allentown, state college, erie, etc) with sizable leftie populations being lumped in with deep red areas. In the same way that urban republican votes get quashed, suburban and rural democrat votes get quashed - and comparing the results of national elections with the state variants, it suggests there's more of the latter than the former.

Of course, all of this is solved - and it's maybe the best way to actually "resolve" this issue - through direct voter initiatives. You can't get more direct than a question on the state ballot: "hey, should we legalize it or nah?" But I don't see many purple states putting it to direct action like that.
 
There is no Democrat equivalent of Reagan's 1984 win, because the United States is a fundamentally conservative country.
It’s actually not. It’s much closer to 50-50. Four of the Supreme Court justices who signed the opinion were nominated by presidents who lost the popular vote, so Republicans do shit by the skin of their teeth as well. Electoral college sperging is a separate issue but seriously, due to underlying factors set in motion before the Civil War, the country is generally 50-50 unless one side gets blamed for an epic fuckup or runs a complete and utter loser for President. I emphasize blame; but the president must expect to be blamed for shit he was not responsible for, or else he’s unfit to lead and will lose like Jimmy Carter or George HW Bush.

The 2020 election was a strange case of utter loser (Biden) running against complete fuckup (Trump blamed for COVID and police shootings). If the election were held in 2019, Biden would’ve been demolished by economy voters.
 
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only six states support "illegal in most cases", and only by a hair

that's really the gist of it, this sweep of red states banning it is going to be profoundly unpopular, and unpopular in those states
"Oh my lord people are allowed the freedom to vote on the laws that govern them themselves! Icky! Don't those rednecks know we love their dirty hick asses?!!!?!?! WE KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR YOU"
lol you're also so mad you're just copy-pasting the same shit repeatedly. Good job.
 
"Oh my lord people are allowed the freedom to vote on the laws that govern them themselves! Icky! Don't those rednecks know we love their dirty hick asses?!!!?!?! WE KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR YOU"
lol you're also so mad you're just copy-pasting the same shit repeatedly. Good job.
no one has provided any evidence of their assertions

i have provided mine. Good luck in fantasy land

only the population of 6 states supports "illegal in most cases", and in those states it's only by a hair (1-5% more)
 
What are you talking about? The whole point of this Roe shit is that the federal government CAN’T dictate this stuff to everyone that disagrees with them. Kicking it to states means states can tailor abortion laws to what those states want.
These people believe absolute control of government is their birthright so fully that not allowing them to dictate all law in all places by fiat is "imposition of Christian values" in their minds.
 
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I hope the batons come out. Sorry if late.
 
Then the Dems can use the nuclear option, if this is the hill hey want to die on. We both know they won't because it piss off religious blacks and the Catholic Church (older Hispanics), and the only way democrats ever win anything federally is by the skin of their teeth, so they need those votes. There is no Democrat equivalent of Reagan's 1984 win, because the United States is a fundamentally conservative country.

If you don't have the votes to make something federal law, that is the system working as intended.
A country founded by puritans and and businessmen couldn't be anything else.
Religious blacks and Hispanics will follow their faith leaders which for the significant congregations will already have some relationship with their local democratic machines more often than not, but many have become disinterested in the dems because they keep uprooting things that are important to them like the family, the sancitity of marriage, abortions, and the notions of man and woman. Don't know about blacks, but for many Hispanics the biggest linchpin on their voting is still immigration and immigrants' rights.
 
While that's ideally the level at which it should happen, you run smack into the issue of first-past-the-post retardation. This, ideally, needs resolved but it never will because it doesn't favor the incumbents to do so.

For example, in 2020, PA went to Biden by a 50-48.8 split. Back in 2016, it went to Trump in 48.2 to 47.5. That suggests a nearly dead-even heat between conservatives and liberals in the state-at-large, yet its state senate and house results favor republicans by a wide margin that suggests a whopping 42-56 split. If you look at the districts (you can click on the map and the link thereby to see the population), you'll find that they're in terms of population fairly close - oscillating between about 240k to 300k. But the geography is just wild to achieve this, and leads to some smaller towns (allentown, state college, erie, etc) with sizable leftie populations being lumped in with deep red areas. In the same way that urban republican votes get quashed, suburban and rural democrat votes get quashed - and comparing the results of national elections with the state variants, it suggests there's more of the latter than the former.

Of course, all of this is solved - and it's maybe the best way to actually "resolve" this issue - through direct voter initiatives. You can't get more direct than a question on the state ballot: "hey, should we legalize it or nah?" But I don't see many purple states putting it to direct action like that.
Well, the problem is we can't have an honest discussion about it. And if I believe abortion is a women's right to control her body putting that on an open ballot is the equivalent of putting "Should we let slavery be legal or not in our state".

For the pro-lifers the question is literally "Should we let murder of the baby variety be legal in our state"

It would be nice to live in a society where we could have that discussion. An even better one if we could talk openly to agree on what abortion even is. But we don't. Because the people are retarded.
 

the population of only six states support "illegal in most cases", and only by a hair

that's really the gist of it, this sweep of red states banning it is going to be profoundly unpopular, and unpopular in those states
Florida is keeping abortion more open than much of Western Europe. Bans existing in some abortions does not mean total bans.

It being kicked to the states will not make some incredible difference to the number of abortions done. Unless you think France is done far right theocracy with its abortion laws (stricter than Florida’s) you may be over reacting to this recent news.
 
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