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starborn427614 said:
The issue I've seen people discuss the most is "when does life actually begin?". That seems to be what drives either side of the argument, with one side believing it's when the child is actually ready to be born or whether it's directly at conception. Personally, I don't equate a fetus with an actual baby. The two are just too different to be counted as equals.
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If you don't care about your children, who will?
 
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thegooddoctor said:
Ill just lay it out, are the majority of people here are pro abortion? Anti abortion? I honestly don’t know, If you are anti abortion, is it for religious reasons? Do you have fundamentalist religious reasons for why people shouldn’t abort a life no matter what or is it based on just sheer moral convictions that lives shouldn’t be stopped no matter what? Not trying to judge or be a dick, just wanna know why you think in the way you do since the vast majority of normie women are enraged (rightfully so) right now.
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I may be very religious and a borderline fundamentalist politically (in an ideal world, I know it’s not happening so in practice I’m a centrist). Anyway the only thing that I get from my religion in this situation is respect for human life. Science has shown that the fetus is a human life and therefore it should be protected. It’s innocent.
 
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To those that don’t like the abortion laws in your state: you can help elect your state legislature and pressure politicians to bring changes. Yes, learn to harass politicians. They work for you, not the other way around. That’s the beauty of it being left to the states. It gives power for more individuals to tailor it to how they want it rather than just nine people on a bench.
 
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starborn427614 said:
The issue I've seen people discuss the most is "when does life actually begin?". That seems to be what drives either side of the argument, with one side believing it's when the child is actually ready to be born or whether it's directly at conception. Personally, I don't equate a fetus with an actual baby. The two are just too different to be counted as equals.
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Here’s the thing though. We don’t really know what the moral worth of the fetus is. One of the reasons why I’m pro life is because I can live with being wrong. I would hate to be a pro abort and one day find out that I had been supporting a literal genocide.
 
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Just a polite reminder: Run, don't walk, run. Avoid being drawn in. No fair, reasonable discussion will be found online about this for a very long time until it is silenced by one side or the other.
Please for the love of god, go to the nearest patch of grassland and dig your fingers and toes in nice and deep. Get the green goodness between your toes and fingers.
Go sit in your garden. Fire up the grill, enjoy the sun. Make sure you take your essential medications and eat healthy.
Do this for the next couple of weeks, I'm sure you're frowning upon this advice now, but please give it a try.
 
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No Batty Boys in Jamaica said:
It’s actually not. It’s much closer to 50-50. Four of the Supreme Court justices who signed the opinion were nominated by presidents who lost the popular vote, so Republicans do shit by the skin of their teeth as well. Electoral college sperging is a separate issue but seriously, due to underlying factors set in motion before the Civil War, the country is generally 50-50 unless one side gets blamed for an epic fuckup or runs a complete and utter loser for President.

The 2020 election was a strange case of utter loser (Biden) running against complete fuckup (Trump blamed for COVID and police shootings). If the election were held in 2019, Biden would’ve been demolished by economy voters.
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The country isn't 50-50 ideologically, the various agenda groups frame issues in such a way to poll 50-50. It's intentional so a "problem" never gets solved but the money keeps coming in.
 
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thegooddoctor said:
Ill just lay it out, are the majority of people here are pro abortion? Anti abortion? I honestly don’t know, If you are anti abortion, is it for religious reasons? Do you have fundamentalist religious reasons for why people shouldn’t abort a life no matter what or is it based on just sheer moral convictions that lives shouldn’t be stopped no matter what? Not trying to judge or be a dick, just wanna know why you think in the way you do since the vast majority of normie women are enraged (rightfully so) right now.
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I'm not sure why specifically a mother deciding to kill a child is ok if she chooses to do it, but if anyone kills a pregnant woman can be charged with double homicide. I need that square peg rounded for me. I don't know why it's illegal to kill a baby after it passes the magical vaginal lips or gets removed via C-section but it's OK prior to those acts. The answer I've gotten so far is "it's not a baby", ok so when does it become a baby? It cannot be once it passes the vaginally canal or removed via C-section. If it's viability then that's an ever receding line as technology advances. A consistent position would be nice other than "my body, my choice" since a) all these women gave up on that the past 3 years, and b) the fetus/baby isn't your body. It's another person's body since they literally leave yours.
Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed said:
Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who supported the Hyde Amendment?
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Yes. Your tax dollars should not be used to support something you have an ethical or religious issue with.
DamnWolves! said:
I read the entire decision yesterday and I think this is still unclear. The Federal government has dabbled in healthcare successfully before (cf. California v. Texas, 2021). Since there was never a federal abortion law, neither Roe nor Casey addresses whether the Federal government has the power to impose restrictions on the States in this matter, and therefore, neither does Dobbs.

@AnOminous , thoughts?
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I'd be curious about the case you cited. Seeing as it's post Roe, it's basis could be unsound.

But more importantly, the Constitution states in the 10th amendment anything not explicitly stated in the jurisdiction of the federal goverment is to be left to the states to decide. I feel like that's very clear that the states get to decide on abortion since the constitution says nothing about abortion in it. And there's a process where one could in fact add to the constitution to make it say something about abortion. The pro-choice advocates should fo that route.
 
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idosometimes said:
Lots of fagets who are upset about this are serious really moving to Europe, guise, despite European countries being much more restrictive when it comes to abortion.
Oh, and Europe denying visas to mentally ill differently advantaged persons who weigh 20 stone.
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some European countries have eliminated Down's Syndrome through abortions

eugenics isn't at all a conservative value though, it's always been instead a progressive and fascist one
 
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Android raptor said:
Well, Semper fi to all women and girls in the Bible belt. Remember folks, if you're stuck getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy the old-fashioned way, as long as you don't use any force intentional smothering is indistinguishable from SIDS on autopsy of an infant.
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Love how women can figure out a million ways to deal with it post birth but using a bit of protection to prevent is just un-fucking-fathomable.
 
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DamnWolves! said:
I read the entire decision yesterday and I think this is still unclear. The Federal government has dabbled in healthcare successfully before (cf. California v. Texas, 2021). Since there was never a federal abortion law, neither Roe nor Casey addresses whether the Federal government has the power to impose restrictions on the States in this matter, and therefore, neither does Dobbs.

@AnOminous , thoughts?
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It is a wild card but the commerce clause has been greatly abused such that the Federal government can pretty much do whatever it wants. I would wager that a Federal law would probably pass constitutional muster, although it should not.
 
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Never mind the fact that everyone knew it was coming for weeks.
 
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thegooddoctor said:
Ill just lay it out, are the majority of people here are pro abortion? Anti abortion? I honestly don’t know, If you are anti abortion, is it for religious reasons? Do you have fundamentalist religious reasons for why people shouldn’t abort a life no matter what or is it based on just sheer moral convictions that lives shouldn’t be stopped no matter what? Not trying to judge or be a dick, just wanna know why you think in the way you do since the vast majority of normie women are enraged (rightfully so) right now.
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You're being a bit of a fag, but if you want to get into the head of a pro-life person, just imagine that everytime someone talks about a fetus, they are actually talking about a 2 year old child, because there is absolutely no distinction in our minds:

  • Should it be ok to chemically poison a 2 year old until they are dead because Mom doesn't want to look after him?
  • Should it be ok to surgically dismember a 2 year old child and then sell his parts to research companies because mom wants to get railed by strangers on tinder instead of looking after him?
  • What if the 2 year old has Down syndrome? Can we kill him then?
  • Is it okay for mom to kill her toddler because she's encountered """financial hardship?"""? Is it better for the kid to be dead than continue to live a difficult life?
  • Is it okay for mom to abandon her 2 year old child because she "doesn't want to carry him" wherever she's going and because it's "her body her choice"?
  • Let's say it's a one year old and there's no formula available. Is it OK for mom to not breastfeed the child and let him starve to death because it's "her body, her choice"? How do you think the courts (and society) would look upon that?
If you can understand that, you should be able to understand why we think you people are all fucking ghouls who need to have your murder-spree stopped at all costs. If it were up to me, every woman who tries to get an abortion should be forced to watch a recorded version of one with a baby of the same gestational age--the only reason people support this shit is because they aren't forced to confront how horrific it truly is. We'll see how much support remains after everyone sees a video of a doctor cutting the head off a squirming infant with a pair of surgical scissors and then discards the corpse as if its just medical waste...
 
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