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Unless you have a time machine, the best way to understand the era before modern medicine is to watch Republican legislators discuss abortion.

In recent years, as they have proposed more and more restrictions on reproductive rights, they have had plenty of opportunities to air their shockingly primitive theories of the female body. An Idaho lawmaker suggested in 2015 that the uterus could be accessed within the digestive tract. A Texas regulator said in 2016 that abortions are performed by “cutting open people’s bodies”—as if the uterus, even with its ready-made exit route through the vagina, required an incision to retrieve its contents. And, of course, who could forget the Missouri congressman who claimed in 2012 that “legitimate rape” victims cannot get pregnant because “the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down”?

None of these would-be gaffes have dissuaded anti-abortion advocates from telling doctors what kind of care they can provide, and to which patients, and when. The human body as it exists outside the womb—its pain, its mess, its inconvenient and unpredictable foibles and realities—have always been beside the point of abortion bans.

But in the imminent wave of destruction wrought by the dismantling of Roe, the pregnant body will be ground zero. And understanding the complex realities of a pregnant body has never been more crucial.

Laws written by ideologues with no medical training, who invent imaginary procedures to dispel concerns about the hazards to women’s health, will determine how quickly a potentially fatal ectopic pregnancy can be treated. Coroners will paw through sewage to assess fetal remains from miscarriages. Women with wanted pregnancies will learn they are gestating a fetus with a critical anomaly and, months later, labor under coercion for hours, only to push out an infant without the necessary body parts to survive. There will be untreated infections; life-threatening spikes in blood pressure; bodies obliged to carry high-risk triplets instead of twins; and dangerous, desperate attempts at self-induced abortion, which will multiply as legislators crack down on the dissemination of abortion information.

After decades of debates that cloaked the issue of abortion in euphemism and legalese, the issue’s fleshly realities are about to become central to the conversation once more.


Historians agree that Roe v. Wade was decided, in part, because abortions could be dangerous and deadly when they happened underground. Legalizing abortion brought it into the fold of the medical establishment, where it was performed by trained professionals. Abortion had already been safer than childbirth, and it quickly became even more so.

In the decades that followed, the discourse on abortion split. Abortion-rights advocates, pleased with what seemed like a lasting Supreme Court precedent and intent on normalizing a procedure that hundreds of thousands of U.S. women sought each year, spoke of it in the sterile terminology of health care. Anti-abortion activists, in turn, homed in on the image of an idealized fetus: On the one hand, a pristine, beatific, ten-toed entity nestled peacefully inside a uterus, provenance unimportant; on the other, sensationalized post-abortion photos of blood and gore, implying the murder of an innocent.

Absent from both of these narratives, born as they were of an era of widespread legal abortion, were the particular indignities of forced pregnancy and childbirth—the bodily ramifications abortion rights were supposed to prevent and, thus, the most urgent argument for their defense and expansion. Neither side of the abortion discourse dwelled on the physical torment of those who continued to be denied the abortions they desired, though these women were the clearest reminder of the fate that awaited many more people were Roe to fall. These patients, many of them rural women who lived hundreds of miles from the nearest abortion clinic and low-income women of color who could not pay for their abortions through Medicaid, were ignored by both anti-abortion zealots who were happy to let them suffer and reproductive rights groups who prioritized other fights en route to more sanitized, less radical messaging.

Even as clinics shuttered across the U.S., there was no mass awakening to the physical punishment imposed on women who found themselves unable to exercise their “choice.” Court documents do not bleed. Committee hearings do not cramp, and tear, and cry out in pain. Women who bear unwanted pregnancies rarely approach the microphone, because to acknowledge the experience as a brutal burden would cast a shadow on the children they may continue to parent and love.

Often, at mainstream abortion-rights protests, the most visible nods to the bodies of pregnant patients have come in the form of increasingly outdated coat hanger imagery, twee protest signs that ask legislators to “keep your rosaries off my ovaries,” and the unfulfilled, abstracted promise of “my body, my choice.” Sometimes, in what appeared to be an attempt to destigmatize abortion, abortion-rights leaders have underplayed (or yassified) the stakes. In 2018, one month after Brett Kavanaugh joined the Supreme Court, Ilyse Hogue, then the president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, gave an interview in a shirt that read, “Pro-sciutto & Pro-Choice & Pro-secco”—a piece of fundraising swag promoted by the organization.

That sort of glib, catchphrase-y approach to reproductive justice missed the point by a mile back then, and it feels even more distasteful now. But the public discourse around abortion has undergone a drastic shift in recent months, beginning with the Texas ban last fall and intensifying with Samuel Alito’s leaked draft opinion that signaled the overturning of Roe. On the emboldened right, legislators are preparing to consign ever greater shares of the population into forced reproduction, especially as they do away with the exceptions for rape, incest, and patient health that have always served as shrouds of respectability for the anti-abortion movement. And among supporters of abortion rights, the flesh and blood of the issue has loomed back into view as Americans grapple with the knowledge that women’s bodies will now be surrendered to the state, subject to laws that favor the contents of their organs over the life that sustains them.


Some recent essays have emphasized the finer points of the physical punishment that roughly half of U.S. states will soon impose on unwilling women who commit the de facto crime of unintentionally procreative sex. “There is almost no part of the human body that does not transform in pregnancy,” wrote Irin Carmon in New York magazine. “One way or another, your flesh will be torn asunder, whether what you are carrying feels like an invited guest or an invader.” In the Washington Post, Kate Manning suggested that “we who oppose the annihilation of our bodily autonomy ought to plaster statehouses with photos of our episiotomy incisions, our Caesarean scars, our intravenous-line hematomas, our bloody postnatal sanitary pads and bloodstained bedsheets, our cracked nipples and infected breasts.” And those injuries may well be the result of a delivery that goes more or less according to plan.

Once the body—and its profound violation by anti-abortion laws—becomes the focus, the expansive consequences of abortion bans, which stretch far beyond unexpected pregnancies, are easier to see. As one employee at a Texas abortion clinic told me, it is impossible to criminalize one pregnancy outcome without affecting the others. Or, to put it another way, health care of all sorts will be mediated in ways that give preferential treatment to a patient’s reproductive capacity over the life she is currently living.

In Texas, where abortions became illegal after around six weeks of pregnancy last September, pharmacists are already refusing to dispense drugs prescribed for ectopic pregnancies and miscarriages. Multiple doctors in the state have told me about pregnant women whose water broke too early, weeks before their fetuses could survive outside their bodies. Normally, doctors would induce a miscarriage, since the pregnancy cannot be recovered. These days, they can’t provide that standard care in Texas without chancing expensive lawsuits. Instead, in each case I’ve heard about, doctors waited until the woman developed an infection—a great enough risk to her life to provide legal cover for a medically necessary abortion.


This exact scenario played out this month in Malta, where abortions are prohibited except when necessary to save a patient’s life. A pregnant U.S. tourist on a babymoon began bleeding at 16 weeks, and although all her amniotic fluid was gone and her placenta had begun to detach, Maltese doctors would not provide an abortion as long as they could detect fetal cardiac activity. They were prepared to wait until the patient was “imminently dying” to act. (She secured an emergency airlift to Mallorca for an abortion before she could develop an infection.) A similar sequence of events befell 31-year-old Savita Halappanavar in Ireland in 2012, several years before the country repealed its abortion ban. Denied an abortion for a nonviable fetus whose cardiac activity persisted after her water broke, Halappanavar died of sepsis.

This is what abortion bans do to pregnant bodies, and what we should expect will transpire in jurisdictions that restrict abortion in days and weeks to come. In ideal circumstances, with full reproductive autonomy and access to health care, pregnancy is already—as an evolutionary biologist at Harvard put it, a decade ago—a high-stakes game of tug-of-war between patient and fetus. When certain health care interventions come with a prison sentence attached, it’s no longer an equal match.


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I have absolutely no interest hearing you bitch about ectopic pregnancies and miscarriages, whore. If that was all abortions were being used for, then we wouldn't have had nearly a million every year for 50 years. 20% of pregnancies are not ectopic, yet 20% of pregnancies end in abortion. You had a privilege, and you abused it, so we took it away from you. Maybe, if you had listened to Bill Clinton and kept it safe, legal, and rare, this wouldn't have happened.
 
Some recent essays have emphasized the finer points of the physical punishment that roughly half of U.S. states will soon impose on unwilling women who commit the de facto crime of unintentionally procreative sex. “There is almost no part of the human body that does not transform in pregnancy,” wrote Irin Carmon in New York magazine. “One way or another, your flesh will be torn asunder, whether what you are carrying feels like an invited guest or an invader.” In the Washington Post, Kate Manning suggested that “we who oppose the annihilation of our bodily autonomy ought to plaster statehouses with photos of our episiotomy incisions, our Caesarean scars, our intravenous-line hematomas, our bloody postnatal sanitary pads and bloodstained bedsheets, our cracked nipples and infected breasts.” And those injuries may well be the result of a delivery that goes more or less according to plan.
This is just unhinged narcissism. Look, giving birth sucks, breastfeeding sucks, thems the breaks. If you weren't raped, you knew what you were getting into and same for the man that creampied you, why I don't feel sorry for either of you. If you really don't want the child, just drop it off at the firehouse and be done with it, but it shouldn't have to pay with its life because your combined irresponsibility.
 
What percentage of abortions were actual health risks, incest, and rape?

Imagine fighting this hard to snuff out human life. Serial killers do not work this hard.
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Also, pregnant women with actual health risks are still going to be able to terminate pregnancies. It's not "abortion" per se.
 
Pretty much. I am pro-death but the consideration of enacting 'post-birth abortion' made me realize a line needed to be drawn. Rode V Wade getting overturned is a great start. If you can't kill children responsibly, you don't get to kill children at all.
Post-Birth Abortion sounds like a death metal song, not a viable policy that should be taken seriously.
 
I had to dig for the full context of this quote because I wasn't about to watch a fucking Samantha Bee video. Here's the quote:


Funny thing is, both are wrong. Dilation and curettage is a common method for abortions up to 15 weeks. It's not as common as vacuum aspiration, but it's still used regularly. "Curettage" refers to taking a surgical instrument called a curette and scooping out the uterine lining. It's as pleasant as it sounds, and absolutely qualifies as "cutting a woman". His language of "cutting open" someone is objectively wrong, but so is her assertion that women are not cut at all in an abortion. D&C can very easily result in a number of horrible things without proper precautions, including lethal infections and hemorrhages.

I posted this in another thread recently but here it is for reference in archived form, an apolitical guide by doctors for doctors on how abortions are done.

First thing you do in a first trimester procedure:

Single-toothed tenaculums are used to grasp the cervix after it has been prepared with Betadine. Local anesthetic is administered in a paracervical fashion. The agent used is usually 0.5-2% lidocaine or 1% Nesacaine.

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Some charming details from 2nd trimester procedures:

Some providers rupture membranes and aspirate amniotic fluid with suction first. Other providers use forceps to remove fetal parts first and allow amniotic fluid to evacuate at the same time. Use forceps (Bierer or Sopher) to remove the fetus. Remove the placenta with forceps and/or suction. Some providers believe if the placenta is removed intact, sharp curettage is unnecessary. Other providers use minimal sharp curettage to confirm a gritty texture of the uterus and no retained placental fragments. The procedure is completed when all of the fetus is identified on gross examination, the placenta is identified, the uterus decreases in size, vaginal bleeding is minimal, and no additional tissue is obtained on curettage.

With an intact fetus, the family may hold their baby and have time to say good-bye as part of the grieving process. Reconstituting the fetal head with a jellied substance can restore fetal anatomy.

7% or so according to Planned Parenthood

93% goddamn percent were convenience abortions
reminder that around a quarter of those "medically indicated for health of mother" abortions were "psychiatric". "Well if she is actually psychotic that still makes sense"- before you say that, remember that troons also get their dicks/boobs chopped off/stapled on for "psychiatric" reasons. The sign-offs shrinks do for "mental health abortions" are of a quite similar caliber. This study was from Oz where they don't hand out late term abortions as freely as burgerland, also:

From 893 terminations, 104 were performed for maternal indications and had notes available for review: mean maternal age, 28.2 years (SD, 6.6; range, 14-44); median gravidity, 2; and parity, 1; and mean gestational age, 11.5 weeks (SD, 4.6; range, 5-23). Terminations were primarily surgical (n=81 (78.6%)) rather than by induction of labour (n=22 (21.4%)). Frequent maternal indications included psychiatric (n=24 (23.1%)), malignancy (n=17 (16.3%)) and cardiac (n=13 (12.5%)). Information on contraceptive use prior to termination was available in 40 (53%) women known to have disease prior to conception. Contraception was recorded as being in use prior to conception in 19 (47.5%) of these. Following termination, 75 (75.7%) were recorded as using contraception.

Less than half of these women were using contraception. Let's be honest: even a lot of "maternal health indications" are irresponsibility and fecklessness. If you know you have heart disease, you know you have cancer, you know you have to keep taking 3 antipsychotics and you still can't use birth control of any type, you are the problem here, not the baby, not men, not the system.
 
All 3 together? I think about 5% (with health risk for the mother making up most of those 3 cases).

Every anti-abortion activist I've talked to is okay with those reasons for having an abortion.
Ah, well, hello. Yes, I'm not an activist, but I am certainly against exceptions for rape and incest.

I am not pro-life, I just hate criminals. Abortion is murder, and I despise that we have tolerated murder for as long as we have in this country. I don't care if a woman is raped or if the baby is due to incest, that does not give her a right to kill it. In the case of ectopic pregnancies, or other health complications like a miscarriage, you are not committing murder, you are removing an unviable fetus, so I have no issue with that.
 
What percentage of abortions were actual health risks, incest, and rape?

Imagine fighting this hard to snuff out human life. Serial killers do not work this hard.
Something around 1% when collating all the data from clinics, which can still be used as exceptions when THE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE ON A STATE BY STATE BASIS, WHICH IS ALL OVERTURNING ROE v. WADE DID!!!!
 
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Less than half of these women were using contraception. Let's be honest: even a lot of "maternal health indications" are irresponsibility and fecklessness. If you know you have heart disease, you know you have cancer, you know you have to keep taking 3 antipsychotics and you still can't use birth control of any type, you are the problem here, not the baby, not men, not the system.
Agree, except in the cases the man knew this. There was a woman who vlogged her cancer death on YT who ended up pregnant during chemo and there was no way her husband did not know the risks to the baby and himself when he creampied her.
 
Agree, except in the cases the man knew this. There was a woman who vlogged her cancer death on YT who ended up pregnant during chemo and there was no way her husband did not know the risks to the baby and himself when he creampied her.
Sounds like they were both at fault, unless it was marital rape.

Some people are just stupid. Or suicidal. Or both.
 
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Sounds like they were both at fault, unless it was marital rape.

Some people are just stupid. Or suicidal. Or both.
The baby did survive and the mother died shortly thereafter of liver failure. I think she was like around 40 when she died because she had a 18-19 year old daughter, so maybe they just assumed she was not fertile, but clearly not. She had triple negative breast cancer and for the first two years after diagnosis, refused modern medicine. When it became clear whatever woo she was using was not working, she finally turned to modern medicine, but by then, it progressed from stage II to stage IV. Her husband was fairly supportive of her no matter what, but in hindsight, probably should not have been. I am not sure if the channel has been deleted or not because she died in 2015. I'm trying to find it.

Edit: found it - Christina Newman
 
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America Is About to Confront the Bloody Consequences of Banning Abortion​

AND CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!!! YOU DONE GOOFED, SCOTUS!!!!!

But for the thread tax:
7% or so according to Planned Parenthood

93% goddamn percent were convenience abortions
That's what I thought, but I couldn't find the data offhand. I remember seeing it somewhere, and I could have sworn myself the elective abortions were within the 90% percentile somewhere, whereas the remainders were for medical emergencies, rape, and incest -- which IIRC, those aforementioned 7% abortions are still legal and okayed by the Catholic Church. I'm sure the numbers might be skewed now if you try to look them up, because the fact-checkers and deboonkers are no doubt in full force since there's blood in the water.

So you can quite literally say...

Hoes mad.

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Also, pregnant women with actual health risks are still going to be able to terminate pregnancies. It's not "abortion" per se.
no they aren't. abortion is already banned without exception for health and life in several states. Doug Mastriano, the candidate for governor of Pennsylvania has gone on record saying he will lobby to get it banned without exception in every case. They don't care about your health, they don't care if some creepy old man raped your 12 year old.

and yes, terminating a pregnancy is abortion.
 
no they aren't. abortion is already banned without exception for health and life in several states. Doug Mastriano, the candidate for governor of Pennsylvania has gone on record saying he will lobby to get it banned without exception in every case. They don't care about your health, they don't care if some creepy old man raped your 12 year old.
Lol, which states? Citation sorely fucking needed.
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The "Right Side of History" isn't a thing.

It was never a thing.

Continuing to base your governing principles on the unfalsifiable claim that you are fated to win and therefore your decisions are not up for rational debate is spurious at best.

Yet that was 90% of what abortion was based on.

Not law, or logic, but the idea that by questioning it, you can only make it's existence stronger.

Defending the inevitable collapse of that arrogant assumption?


With violence?

Is nothing less than evil.

I love how they are sperging and catastrophing about how next SCOTUS will be banning inter-racial marriage or something.

If you are going to go completely schizo about the-world-will-end and it is time for an uprising. Why limit yourself to interracial marriage? Is that the best you can do?
Why not go full turbo and claim "next SCOTUS will take away womens right to vote and drive automobiles" or why not "next SCOTUS will re-introduce slavery" or "SCOTUS will hand back Ameica to Brittish rule".
It is fantastically fun to read all then hyper sperging on twitter. hahahahaha

I'd laugh too, if it weren't for the fact that I know, deep down inside, that they will learn nothing.

The fact this dystopia they imagine is only a few months away will not come, not in 2 years, not in 20, not EVER, will not deter them from having such feverish devotion to leftist principles.

They will go to their graves convinced only some million-to-one stroke of fate prevented society from collapsing in 2022, and only their deaths will cleanse their rotten belief that democracy will die in a fortnight if you don't vote blue, no matter who. from the political stage.

They cannot learn, will not learn, and are fanatically PROUD of those two facts.
 
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I'd laugh too, if it weren't for the fact that I know, deep down inside, that they will learn nothing.

The fact this dystopia they imagine is only a few months away will not come, not in 2 years, not in 20, not EVER, will not deter them from having such feverish devotion to leftist principles.

They will go to their graves convinced only some million-to-one stroke of fate prevented society from collapsing in 2022, and only their deaths will cleanse their rotten beliefs from the political stage.

They cannot learn, will not learn, and are fanatically PROUD of those two facts.
The true believers are a lost cause, but there is hope for the ones that aren't that deep in yet, either because they got sold a bill on false pretense or simply haven't seen just how deep shit goes yet. Like a friend once said about being in a relationship with a crazy person: You can't really tell insanity when you're currently in a relationship with it. It's only when you get out of it that you realize that the other person is out of their fucking mind. Give them time and give the true believers the opportunity to alienate literally everyone and the rest will write itself.
 
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