What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Dom Cruise]

Thinking about it twice, I'm not married to the idea that we went to the Moon or that the footage isn't faked.

It doesn't seem likely to me that the government would take that big of a risk, but I guess it's not impossible like I previously stated, it just seems unlikely a hoax of that scale could be pulled off in my opinion but I could be wrong.

I can accept the idea in the middle ground that we went to the Moon but the supposed footage is fake for whatever reason, heck, maybe we found something there they didn't want the public to know about it?

I know what people mean when they say the footage looks fake, but it's also like have YOU been to the Moon? What's it supposed to look like?

I think what really bothers me is anyone saying it's impossible to get to the Moon in the first place, I don't think that's the case, I think it's possible, but if I can admit it's possible it was faked, someone should say it's possible, in theory at least, to get to the Moon.

I still think there's not enough convincing evidence to say it was fake to assume it was, but I guess we can't know for sure and that sucks.

I do also think there's a type of conspiracy theorist who just assumes if they see it on TV, it's fake, ala Boston Marathon theories, "crisis actors", that sort of thing, which I typically have disliked.

But even in that instance, who knows? It's such a screwed up world I guess you can't just dismiss any conspiracy theory anymore.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

I think that we went to the moon, simply because the people that insist that it was faked are always tunnel-visioned, super-credulous morons. Lots of crossover with the sort of morons who say that the world is flat.

 

[L50LasPak]

I think the real turning point where this world went to shit was the decision of the United States not to carry out Project A119 and detonate a nuclear weapon on the moon. The exact plan was to set off a nuclear device on the moon's terminator line, at such a time where the explosion would be visible to the most people possible on the ground. If this occurred, there would be no argument whether or not we went to the moon. The militarization of space this would have undoubtedly led to would also have increased human interest in the utilization and colonization of space.

Instead, we sent astronauts to the moon, trapping us forever in the Cuck Timeline from which there is no escape.

Three and a half hours of pure triple-filtered grade A 'tism. A lot of it is world-renowned photographers very, very well-versed in lighting/etc checking out "Moon" photos/videos and demonstrating how ridiculous they are. These photographers are not even conspiracists; they're simply very experienced professionals giving their opinions. Most of them are old enough to have worked with the technology present during the Apollo missions, too, so they can't even be written off for that. If you'd like to skip to the part where they get involved and ignore the rest of the evidence as presented (I know most reading this will hardly give this the time of day, let alone hours of their time), then simply skip to 2:16:36.

While an interesting diversion, this is completely irrelevant to the points I raised about faking the broadcast footage, which is the more difficult of the two tasks.

Wait are you saying it would more difficult to fake a video than fake a fucking moonlanding?

Yes, that is exactly the point being made here. Faking the video footage seen at the time was more difficult with the technology of the era than the relatively simple (though expensive) task of lining up a big missile with some rocks orbiting around one another.

The truth of the matter is that rocketry is not that complex. It is not even beyond the reach of you, dear reader. The equations and figures used in the Apollo Landings were calculated with tools infinitely simpler than those available to any one of us today, tools such a a slide ruler, which are freely available from anywhere you may wish to purchase one from. However even the cellphone you carry, regardless of how cheap you are, is hundreds of times more powerful than the computing devices of the era.

Here is a very user-friendly, comprehensive guide to getting started on your own study of rocketry.

The distances and orbital velocities involved are public information, freely available to anyone, and if you do not trust Wikipedo or Google to provide you with accurate information, I am quite certain you can pick up books at your local library, some old enough to predate the internet, that will provide you with that information.

I challenge anyone who says that the technology to reach the moon was beyond us to run the figures themselves, using their own equipment, and calculate whether or not Werner von Braun was correct about the proposed size of the moon rocket, or any of the other such inconsistencies brought up with the physics and dynamics of the mission.

You have the tools, you have the data, and after what I assure you would only be an hour or so of reading, you will have the understanding of the equations involved required to perform the calculations yourself. The ball is quite literally in your court. If the figures do not add up, you can be the one to confirm that.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

All that would have done was add a million retarded conspiracy theories about nuking the moonmen. We'd be talking about that, right now, in this very thread, in that alternate world.

 

[L50LasPak]

All that would have done was add a million retarded conspiracy theories about nuking the moonmen. We'd be talking about that, right now, in this very thread, in that alternate world.

I would overwhelmingly prefer that conversation to this one.

 

[Twitter Hate Mob]

All that would have done was add a million retarded conspiracy theories about nuking the moonmen. We'd be talking about that, right now, in this very thread, in that alternate world.

That would be infinitely more reasonable than "we blew up a bunch of nukes on the moon so that people would see we could reach the moon with missiles", it would be a conspiracy theory that makes more sense than the official story by an order of magnitude.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

Moonmen or no moonmen, nukes going off on the moon would be pretty cool. If this country still had any balls, we'd do it every year on the 4th of July.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

I think we haven’t gone back to the moon because the moon fucking sucks and anything there wouldn’t be worth the cost of going back and mining it or whatever.

 

[PittyKitty]

Moonmen or no moonmen, nukes going off on the moon would be pretty cool. If this country still had any balls, we'd do it every year on the 4th of July.

Didn't China recently tried to nuke the Moon or something? NASA said they found a rocket there and few more craters that definitely wasn't there before? And its not theirs (USA) shit.

 

[Brahma]

That humans, modern, talking, social, civilization building humans, are older than the 10k or so years we're credited with.

The clock keeps getting pushed back in every other aspect of early hominin timelines and even we homo sapiens has been around 300k years but we're expected to believe we hung out doing not much except walking around and eating megafauna then within a short period of time 290k years later all across the world we got our shit together simultaneously.

Anyway, thought spurred on by this article about another early hominin dating being pushed way back

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/sterkfontein-caves-0016955#google_vignette

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That humans, modern, talking, social, civilization building humans, are older than the 10k or so years we're credited with.

The clock keeps getting pushed back in every other aspect of early hominin timelines and even we homo sapiens has been around 300k years but we're expected to believe we hung out doing not much except walking around and eating megafauna then within a short period of time 290k years later all across the world we got our shit together simultaneously.

Anyway, thought spurred on by this article about another early hominin dating being pushed way back

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/sterkfontein-caves-0016955#google_vignette

Until we discovered agriculture, we were forced to be hunter-gatherers. It's just not possible to stay in one spot if you can't farm plants and animals. Even Native Americans would move around a lot. That makes it a lot harder to build civilizations, since you have a lot less time.

Thinking about it twice, I'm not married to the idea that we went to the Moon or that the footage isn't faked.

It doesn't seem likely to me that the government would take that big of a risk, but I guess it's not impossible like I previously stated, it just seems unlikely a hoax of that scale could be pulled off in my opinion but I could be wrong.

I can accept the idea in the middle ground that we went to the Moon but the supposed footage is fake for whatever reason, heck, maybe we found something there they didn't want the public to know about it?

I know what people mean when they say the footage looks fake, but it's also like have YOU been to the Moon? What's it supposed to look like?

I think what really bothers me is anyone saying it's impossible to get to the Moon in the first place, I don't think that's the case, I think it's possible, but if I can admit it's possible it was faked, someone should say it's possible, in theory at least, to get to the Moon.

I still think there's not enough convincing evidence to say it was fake to assume it was, but I guess we can't know for sure and that sucks.

I do also think there's a type of conspiracy theorist who just assumes if they see it on TV, it's fake, ala Boston Marathon theories, "crisis actors", that sort of thing, which I typically have disliked.

But even in that instance, who knows? It's such a screwed up world I guess you can't just dismiss any conspiracy theory anymore.

If the moon landing was faked, Soviets would've happily spilled the beans.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

I remember hearing that a consideration of how to flex on the Russians was to just nuke the fuck out of the moon.

 

[Bonesjones]

If the moon landing was faked, Soviets would've happily spilled the beans.

How do the Soviets speak louder than a combination of the American Government and News apparatus filled with CIA agents (Operation Mockingbird)?

Its funny watching people decry their lack of faith in the structures of modern society and also pretend that those of the past were any better.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

That humans, modern, talking, social, civilization building humans, are older than the 10k or so years we're credited with.

The clock keeps getting pushed back in every other aspect of early hominin timelines and even we homo sapiens has been around 300k years but we're expected to believe we hung out doing not much except walking around and eating megafauna then within a short period of time 290k years later all across the world we got our shit together simultaneously.

Anyway, thought spurred on by this article about another early hominin dating being pushed way back

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/sterkfontein-caves-0016955#google_vignette

Look how much (and fast) things changed after the industrial revolution. We went from one room-sized computer to billion pocket sized ones in half a decade.

It's amazing how game-changing some advancements can be.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

How do the Soviets speak louder than a combination of the American Government and News apparatus filled with CIA agents (Operation Mockingbird)?

Its funny watching people decry their lack of faith in the structures of modern society and also pretend that those of the past were any better.

Because the Soviets would've shown evidence it was faked. They were monitoring the shit out of it. Instead they admitted it was real. The KGB at their heyday were as powerful as the CIA was back then

 

[Mr Bunny]

Counter idea, NASA is putting out "we can't do thing" is stop to people from getting them to do something overly expensive and was nothing more than a dick weaving contest between world powers.

 

[PittyKitty]

Because the Soviets would've shown evidence it was faked. They were monitoring the shit out of it. Instead they admitted it was real. The KGB at their heyday were as powerful as the CIA was back then

Unless releasing that info would be counter met with something KGB want to keep hidden under any circumstances.
I am sure they had bunch of failures of their own, they d rather not broadcast to the world. Is this the case? Maybe yes maybe no. Its a conspiracy thread after all.

 

[Bonesjones]

Because the Soviets would've shown evidence it was faked. They were monitoring the shit out of it. Instead they admitted it was real. The KGB at their heyday were as powerful as the CIA was back then

"LOL you believe in Soviet bullshit I bet you want to suck off breznev because you love fat old Soviets, how do you think we didn't go to the moon we have footage that's impossible to fake right here, maybe if you weren't such a stupid republican blah blah blah"

Again, how do you think this information gets delivered to Americans? Before the internet, you'd have to buy some mail delivery crackpots book from a weird ad in the back of some magazine. Not exactly the most convincing of methods.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

"LOL you believe in Soviet bullshit I bet you want to suck off breznev because you love fat old Soviets, how do you think we didn't go to the moon we have footage that's impossible to fake right here, maybe if you weren't such a stupid republican blah blah blah"

Again, how do you think this information gets delivered to Americans? Before the internet, you'd have to buy some mail delivery crackpots book from a weird ad in the back of some magazine. Not exactly the most convincing of methods.

Except the KGB themselves said it was real. If it was fake, Russia would even today say it was fake. They aren't.

Plus the massive amount of people that would've been required to keep it quiet is just mind boggling.

 

[Syaoran Li]

My personal theory on the Moon Landing is that yes, we actually did go there but they probably did film a fake landing in advance to have as a backup plan just in case the actual landing failed or as a potential decoy to throw off KGB infiltrators and saboteurs.

The Space Race of the 50's and 60's was insane like that.

Except the KGB themselves said it was real. If it was fake, Russia would even today say it was fake. They aren't.

Plus the massive amount of people that would've been required to keep it quiet is just mind boggling.

Agreed with you but let me play Devil's Advocate for a bit with the whole "nobody could keep it quiet because there would've been too many" line.

You CAN effectively keep a conspiracy on that scale covered up for a long time if you take the decentralized cell approach where damn near everything is compartmentalized and only a tiny handful of guys at the very top have the full picture while most everyone else involved only does one or two things with no idea about the rest of the plan.

I don't think that happened with the Moon landing though.