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Raw numbers don't lie. If you believe one is fine then you have to believe the other is too. I choose to believe that HoloID are all successful relative to all V-Tubers and therefore Finana is too.
ID living expenses are lower, and expectations are lower. And honestly I do get the impression that HoloID has been falling off or at least plateauing. Sure, both HoloID and Fauna are doing numbers that would make most indies jealous, but I wouldn't put either of them in the "set for life" category. They're not in a position where they can shrug off losing a lot of viewers.
 
It's an absolute disgrace Amelia is almost at the bottom. Especially considering she makes it a point to read out every single SC, more than most talents.
Again, reminder that this is the top 100 Vtubers on the platform worldwide, so even this "bottom" is still a very high one, with a bunch of her corpmates not even there.
 
Again, reminder that this is the top 100 Vtubers on the platform worldwide, so even this "bottom" is still a very high one, with a bunch of her corpmates not even there.
Yeah, it needs perspective. That's still 9500 dollars a month in JUST superchats. It doesn't include memberships or potential merch revenue.

I think anyone would be happy to make that much money by playing video games all day. Most people in the US barely break 4k a month busting their ass in physical labor 50 hours a week.
 
Thank you for proving my point that none of this is in good faith.

'It's different for us because...' just isn't good enough. Zeta was at 300K immediately after debut, so trying to split hairs on who the intended audience is means nothing when all branches are attracting people from unintended demographics. ID3 had bigger debuts than any NijiEN wave.

Raw numbers don't lie. If you believe one is fine then you have to believe the other is too. I choose to believe that HoloID are all successful relative to all V-Tubers and therefore Finana is too.

Surely we can see eye to eye on the fact that arguing over how far down the Top 1% someone is, is a complete waste of time?

Edit: I guess not *sigh*
I agreee with Scuttle on this, Ollie also gets around 1k viewers on a regular basis and she's hardly stagnating. Also it's dumb to say ID has "different audiences" since she's speaking english around 90% of the time. Meanwhile, Kobo, who is known for speaking bahasa a lot more often, currently has 12k viewers.

Finana was swayed by woketards, then backtracked immediately. There won't be any serious backlash because twitter crowd thinks Trump incels made her withdraw the word ban, and people who were against it are mostly just content the ban was lifted.
 
At 1:24:38 Kiara talks about discovering that Gura, Fauna, unspecified "other members", and some random cashiers couldn't identify American currency. :story:

I assume that zoomers barely work with cash. They all pay by credit/debit card or using cash-apps so they dont know how change works. Its the same with Analog clocks. A large number of millenials and most zoomers can't tell the time on an analog clock, they need digital.
I just watched the clip of it.
I'm embarrassed by the fact their parents didn't instill in them how currency works, especially coinage.
Absolutely mind-numbing.

On a side note

Finana backtracking stream lol
It's one thing to be pro-troon to the point where "trap" is offensive to you (probably virtue signaling), it's quite another to show you are spineless.

Also, some of you fags need to check your fedoras. That band must be squeezing your head to the point brain fluid is leaking out.
You are punished by having to face Neckbeard Nero:
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So you know the whole back and forth about the whole Kronii being gendfluid thing but she now currently identifies as female according to her roomate? Supposedly a major factor to this is that she's reconnecting with her local church apparently.
If true it would explain something else I've noticed. But other explanations are possible, and without a clip this is a massive if.

Also, in her early streams she used to get a bunch of "trans rights" superchats, which she rightly ignored.



@EenGevolg Numbers

Thanks.

12. Kaida Haru [$47,316] - Hololive
Wrong affiliation

  1. Hyakumantenbara Salome ]$114,251] - Nijisanji
  2. Hakui Koyori [$91,412] - Hololive
  3. Vox Akuma [$82,186] - Nijisanji EN
  4. Kazama Iroha [$81,537] - Hololive
  5. Sakamata Chloe [$80,590] - Hololive
  6. Ike Eveland [$77,775] - Nijisanji EN
  7. Takane Lui [$62,225] - Hololive
  8. Kson [$57,953] - Indie
  9. Ookami Mio [$56,734] - Hololive
  10. Tsunomaki Watame [$52,642] - Hololive
Salome and Vox are no surprise. From memory, Ike also stays around this rank, but I don't know a lot about him or his audience. Interesting that Kson is in top 10. May be her 3D reveal buff, or maybe I just wasn't paying attention until the lists were combined like this. HoloX had their 3D reveals, so I'm surprised that there's a gap between these four and Laplus, even accounting for the fact that she's closer to Gura's school of thought re: SCs than her genmates.

72. Vestia Zeta [$10,761] - Hololive ID
78. Kaela Kovalskia [$10,542] - Hololive ID
Zeta is a charming sort. I have to admit I have no idea what Kaela does. Still surprised to see them both in top 100.
 
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Dude, there's a huge difference between Hololive Indonesia and Nijisanji  English, no matter how you try to spin it. The sheer difference of audience size of the two languages actually makes feesh's numbers worse with your comparison
That's some hardcore number bending you are doing, it's not like holoid streams only in indo or filters the EN viewerbase, all of them regularly stream in English and get clipped by EN clippers

So if you say that same CCVs with a smaller subscriber base is a worse result it's just bad faith or you don't understand math
 
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You know I didn't intend to make Kronii out to be some sort of bible thumping baptist nut job I just thought I found something interesting that could be the reason why she hasn't been as depressed lately.
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There's an evolutionary biologist (I forget who, but it might have been Bret Weinstein) who argued humans 'evolved' religion as a means to have a moral code as well as deal with the unknown and the sense of listlessness/purposelessness that might come from normal life. I've thought about this, and I think some people just simply need a support structure like religion in their life in order to cope with everything in life. I've gotten much less critical of well intentioned religious folks since seeing that talk.
On a side note

Finana backtracking stream lol
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Honestly, I think Finana's really just fucking stupid and easily manipulated. She probably saw what it was doing to her numbers and started freaking out about people unsubscribing.
She forgot her audience is weebs, not Twitter users. I really do think she got manipulated/groomed into this via some echo chamber she belongs to. And is now realizing there exists a lot more people OUTSIDE the bubble than inside.
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LMAO

How long does it took to make her change her mind now? 24 hours?
This is why you don't touch idpols even with a 10ft polearm, it's radioactive as hell. Now she's going to look stupid and weak-willed to both sides


Pretty sure someone made a rrat that she was influenced/manipulated by a gachikoi in the first place to make the ban against futa and trap
Rackets on his streams uses a phrase from law, "You can't unring a bell". It doesn't matter that she may or may not be a true believer, it doesn't matter if she regrets it or not. She said it, and she did it. It's out there, and she can't take it back. And now the response to her actions is left 100% to the interpretation of the viewer. She's done basically everything wrong from the start, and keeps fucking up.

As one pink shitposter said, "Don't apologize".
It's so funny to me how western vtubers look at the success and the positivity and the lack of political commentary around Hololive and then think "You know what I'm going to do the opposite of that".

It cannot be overstated that trannies, queers, fags etc. will always, always shit up hobbies and communities and should never be tolerated in anything you like.
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Sooo whos gonna cause Finana more trouble? SJW and the alphabet community or right wing incels who won't forgive her for switching "sides" even for just 24 hrs?
CHUDS and Chud-adjacent fans will just ignore her and move on. SJWs will be like a plague of locusts that will come back to wreck shit up again as much as possible whenever they sense weakness.
 
Well I didn't bother commenting since I missed it all by hours, but then it came back up again due to her backpedaling.

Obviously doing it in the first place was dumb but then so was readdressing it. Personally I hope Finana just lets the whole thing die and rot in an unmentioned ditch from here on because it's not going to be pretty regardless of where it goes if it builds. Yeah some drama is interesting but I don't really want any streamer I at least KIND of like get fucked over this level of dumb shit either. On one hand some people might hard sperg over the word bans and toss dislikes, but who cares.
On the other Trannies and allies do have a habit of immediately flipping their shit on people who don't lock step their side. Also the types that see such a betrayal as absolute and irredeemable.
I don't think the Feesh handles it well if it goes further so she really needs to just end the whole issue and focus on content. You dropped your vid, wake up and move on after your sleep.

@EenGevolg Zeta is a charming sort. I have to admit I have no idea what Kaela does. Still surprised to see them both in top 100.

Zeta and Kaela is Holo so I mean even as a mostly Holofag I admit one could probably expect her to do well in a general listing. That said I kind of feel like she's an Alt-Koyori or something. Less hyper and cutesy but she does a fairly decent number of fairly long streams. Example being yesterday she did like 5 hours on holocure, then about a few hours later did another 6 on Tiny Tina's Wonderland. Granted I don't know how her hours streamed looks on a chart or anything.
Also I think she basically has the League autist market cornered as far as corpos go even if it's the mobile version.
I legit don't know enough about Niji outside of EN to know if anyone else plays it. I only know NijiEN had a short of stint with it and Phase Connect a few timesish, mostly just Lia and apparently Fishman is a junkie. I think Fairy Ichika is all I see touch it otherwise that I'm aware of.

Might as well throw this in since I'm autist rambling and whatever, but I really don't get the numbers shit going on in the last page or few lol. Regions are different and assuming people are failing based on what their potential supposedly is would be pretty stupid no? Reminds me of the same reason I thought Fulgur's take in the leak was fucktarded. One group doing well or even somewhat better in some ways doesn't mean another is dumpster diving to make a living. Both sides are clearly doing well enough to have no issues.

Slight Edit: Actually this might be worded a little worse than I intended. Obviously "potential" does play a part in what you could be doing and helps judge where you are against that. However being somewhere around or even a bit below average or compared to others in the same situation doesn't actually mean you're doing terrible.
 
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The graph you posted yesterday displays Finana as around/above HoloID1 and HoloID2 in terms of viewership with 50-70% less subs.

I personally think HoloID are doing perfectly fine overall, so unless this thread also wants to doompost about how Ollie averages similar viewers despite having >1m subs then it's difficult for me to believe any of this number/concernfagging is at all in good faith.

There is nothing to suggest Finana is 'stagnating' or slowing to a crawl. There is nothing to suggest Rosemi lost her paypigs for interacting with men. Stating these things as fact doesn't make them so even if most here won't contest you.

I strongly disagree. Going back to my basketball analogy from earlier. 30 pts in the modern 3 pt era in the NBA is not the same 30 pts in the 90s or early 00s. Hell a guy scoring 30 in the Euroleague is not the same as an NBA player scoring 30. To illustrate an example. Kobo from ID3 is currently averaging a higher median CCV then all of NijiEn despite several factors that SHOULD make her a niche vtuber

1. She speaks almost completely Indonesian
2. Doesn't pander to Western audiences at all
3. Game changes tend to be either FPS or decade old games

Ollie, despite being a 1 mil vtuber is currently on the down trend and due to an array of factors. Not to mention, it's just human psychology that a western audience will always gravitate to a product exclusively labeled for them (EN) instead of (ID). Also, I've always been a proponent that subs are not the end all be all of everything. Gura is nowhere near the top vtuber in terms of CCV and is regularly dunked by Kuzuha and Kenmochi and recently Salome. Holo itself has several vtubers that are higher on the totem pole than her in 1 or 2 metrics. You always have to look at things based on context and not just Bigger numbers being better. Personally the fact that Finana is stagnating is more worrisome than her numbers being low relative to everyone else around her.
 
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