General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Diya]

Ok yeah its her

Oh they know arrite, check key girl followers, full of Rushia oshi marks

I wonder if they just want to believe it's her, or they know something from their JP side that we don't know.

 

[Rratcatcher]

more details? or can you link the stream if its public pls, I looove taxes

It was in her latest member's stream, that's all I know.

 

[DrStupid]

It's almost like, you know, Hololive is an actual virtual idol corp and was advertised as such. I assume she knew what she was getting into when she singned her contract. But surely she underestimated the whole idol thing.

Cover "rebranded" themselves as an entertainment company (sometime after she walked out), so it wouldn't be out of the question to expect some of the talents not to be under the "idol" umbrella they have right now.

I hope Holo gets their shit together because, right now, being a JP company (with all that entails), having shit merch logistics, and being stubborn about "seiso-ness" is holding some of their talents back.

 

[Avokado]

Cover "rebranded" themselves as an entertainment company (sometime after she walked out), so it wouldn't be out of the question to expect some of the talents not to be under the "idol" umbrella they have right now.

I hope Holo gets their shit together because, right now, being a JP company (with all that entails), having shit merch logistics, and being stubborn about "seiso-ness" is holding some of their talents back.

What company was Cover before "rebranded" to entertainment company?

 

[Sevatonius]

more details? or can you link the stream if its public pls, I looove taxes

Essentially she was under the impression by people in her circle that she would be taxed as residents of both US and Japan which is why she got hot about the 80 percent tax rate thing. She ended up going to professionals and they told her that wasn't the case and they've got a handle on it.

 

[DrStupid]

What company was Cover before "rebranded" to entertainment company?

They were a tech company with hololive as a virtual idol brand to showcase their motion capture tech.
All holos use propietary live2d tech (except gen 0), adding one more reason for why some models feel like they're behind the industry standard.

 

[Diya]

They were a tech company with hololive as a virtual idol brand to showcase their motion capture tech.
All holos use propietary live2d tech (except gen 0), adding one more reason for why some models feel like they're behind the industry standard.

There is several clip about member experience with being told they're idol from that day onward. I think Mio said it and maybe Subaru? Can't find the clip tho.

 

[Avokado]

They were a tech company with hololive as a virtual idol brand to showcase their motion capture tech.
All holos use propietary live2d tech (except gen 0), adding one more reason for why some models feel like they're behind the industry standard.

Cover always has been tech entertainment company.
Hololive Production is a virtual YouTuber agency owned by Cover.

Where is the idol thing come from? "Hololive Idol Project".

The whole "Cover is now an entertainment company and no longer an idol company" is a meme based on Yagoo's video.

 

[Piaiex]

Essentially she was under the impression by people in her circle that she would be taxed as residents of both US and Japan which is why she got hot about the 80 percent tax rate thing. She ended up going to professionals and they told her that wasn't the case and they've got a handle on it.

This is easily the stupidest thing Calli's ever done.

 

[USS IOWA]

Essentially she was under the impression by people in her circle that she would be taxed as residents of both US and Japan which is why she got hot about the 80 percent tax rate thing. She ended up going to professionals and they told her that wasn't the case and they've got a handle on it.

Ah the bane of all tax collectors. Professional accountants.

 

[Wnrite]

Essentially she was under the impression by people in her circle that she would be taxed as residents of both US and Japan which is why she got hot about the 80 percent tax rate thing. She ended up going to professionals and they told her that wasn't the case and they've got a handle on it.

Glad to hear she didn't just hand over gobs of cash to the fucking government for no reason. Already asked, but why the hell didn't she go to an accountant before this? Anyone making what they are should have someone looking everything over and giving tips to scam the system and save some extra cash. Same reason most of Kiara's viewers were giving her shit for a while about putting off getting an accountant last year.

 

[Undercover Commissioner]

being stubborn about "seiso-ness" is holding some of their talents back.

Does it really tho? How seiso are matsuri or marine? I am unsure who said , it but I am pretty sure the reason many of the lewder things are verboten by cover because youtube wont let them monitize it. Or do you mean by seiso-ness the no men allowed policy? How does that hold back the talent or their content? (Infact it just forces them to have good opsec).
Despite the fact that most talents are not really "seiso", Hololive being considered seiso is a selling point.

There is several clip about member experience with being told they're idol from that day onward. I think Mio said it and maybe Subaru? Can't find the clip tho.

Its the opposite actually. (the clip is both mio and subaru).

 

[Zinnaha]

adding one more reason for why some models feel like they're behind the industry standard.

Kinda yes and no. They have to have art and models (including rigging) on a deadline compared to indies who can afford to wait 7 months - 2 years for top quality models. They all use the same live2d coding at the end of the day. A lot of the live2d programs indies etc use are more designed with the intention of "interaction" (Vtube studio for example) compared to say Niji/Holo using it STRICTLY for tracking rendering/collab data tracking. So there's ironically no industry standard when it comes to vtubing, you just see the difference between needing to shit out waves of models within a set specification and time frame (usually 2 - 6 months based on what a corporate rigger talked about) vs indies who can afford to have one REALLY good model but at the cost of being a PNGtuber for up to 2 years. There's a reason top modelers/riggers will dump indies waiting the second Hololive asks them for rigging or art (i.e Iron Vertex immediately will jump onto any commission from corporate long before getting to indie waitlist.)

 

[Azchan]

It most likely is about Kson considering the two of them live together.

Cover may have legitimate concerns of NDA and leak issues if one of their talents lives with and is besties with one of their main competitors.

Inb4 we see a Vshojo collab ban. Their 2 biggest earners basically jumped ship and im pretty sure a few of the higherups over at cover (the dinosaurs that probably caused Coco to quit) are starting to sweat bullets. Maybe they want to amend her contract to make sure its a bit more restrictive when it comes to NDA given her living situation.

But, the real question is, how much of a financial risk does she put on herself by taking on the pop-up store herself? If it's anything like someone would have for a vendor booth at a dealer hall/artist ally, it's very easy to burn yourself by miscalculating demand.

I feel that when you are as big as she is, there really isn't a risk to it. I mean even Phase Connect which is fairly small seems to have no trouble selling most of their merch.

I don't know if I'm cynical if it comes to this stuff but time and again concepts like Vshojo sound perfect, but most every attempt trying something similar has always ended badly typically years down the line. Machinima, The Creatures, and Roosterteeth come to mind, all started ideal but eventually ended up imploding from both disorganization, bad decisions, and eventually becoming more corporate anyway.

That happens often. Only time will tell, on the positive side she can jump ship and keeps the rights to her model and brand. I feel like she's smart enough to abandon ship before it sinks (if it gets to that).

What are they gonna do? Forcibly evict her from her home? Tell her she has to move or she's fired? They've already put on the record that they don't get involved in personal lives.

Gonna call bullshit on this. While they said that they don't care about the talent's "personal lives" you can bet that if they feel that if any aspect of that somehow might affect their character's reputation in a negative aspect they will step in and take corrective action.

I honestly pity that man's wallet (not him as a person, he's beyond saving).

Has he ever mentioned what he works at? Did he invest in a bunch of startups or something?

I hope Holo gets their shit together because, right now, being a JP company (with all that entails), having shit merch logistics, and being stubborn about "seiso-ness" is holding some of their talents back.

I said the same once Coco graduated. Part of me feels like they loosened their grip on the talents but I feel like it was not enough. This will probably serve as a slap in the face and a wake-up call. Either they learn from this and maybe work towards giving the talents more freedom, or they do the Nintendo thing, put their foot down even harder, and end up bleeding talents. At the end of the day, more people can graduate but there will be 1000's of people lining up to join Hololive. (probably gonna be the 2nd one)

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Spoiler: Another Indie

Mikado Ch - Coomer model of a topless girl with pasties, panties and a jacket with painted clothes (not sure if I have seen her actually do art).

High pitched squeaky voice which is fairly cute but a great singing voice with a pretty big range. Her live-viewer count is pretty low (100 despite having 100,000 subs) but I think its due to her streaming time being at around 3pm Japan time. A clever way to bypass youtube censor bots (I got a thumbnail taken down because of cleavage) while at the same time being one of the more explicit sexual designs out there.

 

[Just a Basic Plebian]

Spoiler: Continous Kson cent giving

She literally wants the freedom of indies while having the resource backing and legal protection of Corpos minus the obligations and requirements. It seems like the ideal compromise essentially Corpos get their profits while the chuuba does whatever but it definitely sounds like she's trying to have her cake and eat it.

Yeah, seems like she's still in her Honeymoon phase. Let's see how she will react once VShoujo has another crisis like the Nux Feud ones

What is she talking about? At this point there has to be thousands of vtubers out there - and her goal is to give them all the support they need? What does that even mean in a practical sense? Or is she only talking about herself and her closest vtuber friends?

It's not that we don't want Kson to succeed; it's just that there are some things in life that must be given much effort in order to gain something good in return. A yin-yang, a balance of somesort. You just can't have a backing of a corpo and then run like the shit you are as if there are no rules and no consequences in the things you do. Freedom doesn't equate to being liberated and at this point, Kson just really kinda sound like a lazy potato hag who just wanna have fun while others deal with her shit behind the scenes.

For now, I'll be optimistic too. Maybe she can form a new branch that's distance just enough from the the existing cesspool to enjoy the benefit while not get drag through the mud when the next drama finally happen. Rainbow optimistic, I know, but for now I'll cope with that.

Thats honestly a very interesting take on it.

 

[Boopersnout]

This is easily the stupidest thing Calli's ever done.

The stupidest thing she's done so far.

 

[White Stone]

They have to have art and models (including rigging) on a deadline compared to indies who can afford to wait 7 months - 2 years for top quality models.

This is one of the points brought up by Himono (Kson's rigger) when asked about why the live2d quality of agency vtubers are lagging behind indies.

Another good point she brought up was big agency having the need to maintain uniformity on the quality of their models. Remember when people shit on Cover for Gura's and Anya's poor rigging? Imagine that happening, but tenfold. This is also probably why Nijisanji stick with in-house riggers, probably much easier to maintain quality consistency.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

I feel like Coco worked so well in Hololive because she could verbally flashbang any other talent at a moment's notice and create great content from that. But when her spiciest asacoco-juiced moment doesn't even register on the Vshojo Pee Pee Poo Poo Scale™, I don't think she'll be able to play off them as well. That is unless the auditions somehow weren't a scam, and she gets a bunch of JPs who aren't gigantic, shameless sluts. Which in turn would actually improve Vshojo, and the universe won't allow that.

Also Hololive and Niji aren't seiso at all, but there's a difference between being unseiso, talking about it occasionally, in somewhat tasteful ways, and going "MUH VAGINA LOL" five times a stream.

 

[Wnrite]

I feel that when you are as big as she is, there really isn't a risk to it. I mean even Phase Connect which is fairly small seems to have no trouble selling most of their merch.

Phase makes the talents pay up front? Or do you mean the company itself? Also it's good to remember that bulk deals and connections like Phase would get from producing merch for all of their talents at once or Hololive having constant production of something in the background, you're paying a bit more when you're buying smaller and on your own.

 

[Avokado]

Found this on reddit, I'll just dump it here.

source from https://twitter.com/VRchama/status/1543545825145458688