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US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians
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Think about all the trouble the guys building the Keystone XL had from locals and the shit-stirrers. Now imagine if every person in the county with a set of equipment keys was against the project.
The Waldo Canyon fire would have burned a significant chunk of Colorado Springs if one engineering company hadn't just started building dozer line through houses.
But, but, the bark is made from trees and we would never spray roundup on the stone to keep the weeds down.
-calitards, probably
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There is a legitimate opening here for massive environmental reform from the right. Granted, the current Republican Party is still too stupid and obsessed with "limited government" to actually reform the government. The existing paradigm, though, which is based around the notion of nature as some pristine ideal that needs to be frozen in stasis is unscientific and sociopathic, and needs to be tossed and replaced with a regime centered around responsible resource management.
What we have now is the worst of all worlds. We waste enormous resources chasing 0.00001% particulate reductions while simultaneously draining down the ground water to nothing in order to irrigate desert almond farms, building housing divisions in fire belts, and closing off fire access roads.
What we have now is the worst of all worlds. We waste enormous resources chasing 0.00001% particulate reductions while simultaneously draining down the ground water to nothing in order to irrigate desert almond farms, building housing divisions in fire belts, and closing off fire access roads.
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Probably won’t matter that much. Shit’s still fucked from the wuflu and a lot of this shit isn’t allowed to run due to leftist policy.
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Ah yes, the Libertarian Party problem. Being too scared of government power to actually do anything to reform and limit government power.
As it turns out, having a very low, to no-existent drive for power means people other than you are going to have power.
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There was a term mentioned in the Depression or Supply Chain Crisis threads, forget it and can't find it now, it's when the price starts to crater in a recession / depression. It SEEMS like things are getting better, but in reality it's because everyone's too busy buying things they need to, well, survive to buy "nice to have" things. It'll spike back up infinitely harder in a short while once the crash hits freefall stage.
(See also: GPU prices these last two weeks.)
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"We've got power!"
Ah, so we can finally reform the Department of Education.
"What, no! We need to get rid of it!"
Even better, so when do we pass the bill to do that?
"Well, um, there's just no political support for that now, so um..."
Next session?
"Uh, we don't really ever foresee that being politically viable."
So wait, then what are you going to do about this problem?
"Well, nothing."
Nothing?
"Doing something would be 'big government,' and we're against 'big government.'"
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We in the beginning of a recession. No one is willing to admit it yet.
si el GOP hiciera eso, y lo hiciera así, en español, se cansaría de ganar
pero no lo hace
poooooooooooor quuuuuuuuuuue
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Demand Destruction: permanent or sustained decline in the demand for a certain good in response to persistent high prices or limited supply.
Someone brought it up when gas and diesel prices went down over memorial day weekend.
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She should be President.
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And consequences were never the same after that for the human race. What would have been a relatively short war (relative to what we got, not actually short) as Russia, the UK, Italy, and Germany gang-banged A-H and France from every direction turned into WW1.
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Remember how I told you not to get us excited about that guy?
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Yes, yes I do.
You were right.
Dammit. So much for holding out hope that maybe SOMETHING in this Clown Universe year would have good unintended consequences.
Nope.
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Saddened to see that CNN is actually acknowleding the elephant in the room. It means the administration and party leaders realize everything is dysfunctional and that change is needed, which is the beginning of any recovery process. I'd prefer if they kept whining about infrastructure bills or something instead, thank you very much.
Also, I would ask anyone curious about Biden in private to note this line: "Several officials say Biden's tendency to berate advisers when he's displeased with how a situation is being handled or when events go off poorly has trickled down the ranks in the West Wing". Biden probably spends a lot of his time being angry at people these days.
Also, I would ask anyone curious about Biden in private to note this line: "Several officials say Biden's tendency to berate advisers when he's displeased with how a situation is being handled or when events go off poorly has trickled down the ranks in the West Wing". Biden probably spends a lot of his time being angry at people these days.
After string of Supreme Court setbacks, Democrats wonder whether Biden White House is capable of urgency moment demands
(article)
Washington (CNN) - Debra Messing was fed up. The former "Will & Grace" star was among dozens of celebrity Democratic supporters and activists who joined a call with White House aides last Monday to discuss the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
The mood was fatalistic, according to three people on the call, which was also co-organized by the advocacy group Build Back Better Together.
Messing said she'd gotten Joe Biden elected and wanted to know why she was being asked to do anything at all, yelling that there didn't even seem a point to voting. Others wondered why the call was happening.
That afternoon, participants received a follow-up email with a list of basic talking points and suggestions of Biden speech clips to share on TikTok.
The call, three days after the decision eliminating federal abortion rights, encapsulates the overwhelming sense of frustration among Democrats with Biden. It offers a new window into what many in the President's party describe as a mismanagement permeating the White House.
Top Democrats complain the President isn't acting with -- or perhaps is even capable of -- the urgency the moment demands.
"Rudderless, aimless and hopeless" is how one member of Congress described the White House.
Two dozen leading Democratic politicians and operatives, as well as several within the West Wing, tell CNN they feel this goes deeper than questions of ideology and posture. Instead, they say, it gets to questions of basic management.
More than a week after the abortion decision, top Biden aides are still wrangling over releasing new actions in response, despite the draft decision leaking six weeks earlier.
White House counsel Dana Remus had assured senior aides the Supreme Court wouldn't rule on abortion that day. A White House press aide assigned to the issue was walking to get coffee when the alert hit. Several Democratic leaders privately mocked how the President stood in the foyer of the White House, squinting through his remarks from a teleprompter as demonstrators poured into the streets, making only vague promises of action because he and aides hadn't decided on more.
Then, Biden's July 1 meeting with governors to talk about their efforts to protect abortion rights was planned so last minute that none of those who attended came in person, and several of those invited declined to rearrange their schedules to appear virtually.
Multiple Democratic politicians who have reached out to work with Biden -- whether it's on specific bills, brainstorming or outreach -- often don't hear anything back at all. Potential appointees have languished for months waiting to hear if they'll get jobs, or when they'll be done with vetting. Invitations to events are scarce, thank you calls barely happen. Even some aides within the White House wonder why Biden didn't fire anyone, from the West Wing or at the Food and Drug Administration, to demonstrate some accountability or at least anger over the baby formula debacle.
Inside the White House, aides are exhausted from feeling forever on red alert, batting at a swarm of crises that keeps growing -- enough for White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre to make an offhand joke about the constant "eleventh hour" decision-making in the building when under fire at a recent daily briefing.
Several officials say Biden's tendency to berate advisers when he's displeased with how a situation is being handled or when events go off poorly has trickled down the ranks in the West Wing, leaving several mid-level aides feeling blamed for failings despite lacking any real ability to influence the building's decision-making. That's contributed to some of the recent staff departures, according to people familiar.
Democrats worry the lack of decisions and authority are deepening their own midterm problems and feeding a sense that the President couldn't truly handle the extra complications of a run for reelection in 2024 -- and along the way, reinforcing narratives that he's an old man not fit for the moment.
The President who campaigned on putting America back together again after four years of deep divisions appears to have stopped trying, supporters say.
"There's no fight," another Democratic member told CNN. "People understand that a lot of this is out of his hands -- but what you want to see is the President out there swinging."
'Throwing spaghetti at the wall'
A year and a half in, the Biden administration is struggling to untangle supply chains and tackle soaring inflation— which is by far the biggest problem facing Democrats up and down the ballot in November.
"It's got to look like you're taking actions," said California Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna. "Any economist who says the President shouldn't do anything on the economy should be fired. They can be at a think tank, they can be a professor. But they shouldn't be at the White House."
"There's not a frontline office out there that isn't frustrated with the lack of action coming from the White House on inflation," one aide told a member fighting to hang onto an endangered seat. "At the very least, the President should get caught trying to bring prices down just about every day."
White House aides say that is exactly what they are doing. In the past few months, the administration has announced a historic release of oil from the nation's strategic petroleum reserve, invoked the Defense Production Act to address baby formula shortages, and even floated a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax.
But none of these moves have solved the problems: The baby formula shortage persists, inflation remains high and gas prices, though slightly down from their high, are still hovering close to $5 a gallon.
Biden's support of a gas tax holiday was the subject of months of deliberations among officials -- many of whom were against it and privately suggested it was a purely political step to show initiative on gas prices, and only recently put the question in front of Biden directly.
"It had the appearance of throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks," one official said privately.
Bottlenecks and indecision
Sources also say that decisions in the White House are getting bottlenecked, as veteran advisers urge Biden to take the long view, rather than focus on fast responses. Few are trying, and even fewer succeeding, in pushing back against Biden's infamous inability to settle on decisions, on everything from whether to lift tariffs on Chinese imports or cancel student loan debt.
Biden has been mulling what to do on student loans for more than a year. White House staff drafted a memo on the topic weeks ago, and a final decision is now being targeted ahead of when the current repayment pause expires on August 31 -- further aggravating progressives who say Biden's indecision is hurting people with debt who are trying to make plans, and losing much of the political benefit he could get from it.
"We picked that date for a reason: we'd like to see where the inflation problem is, and we'd like to see where our legislative agenda is. There's nothing uncertain or hesitating about it: it's a deadline, and we will deliver on it," White House spokesperson Chris Meagher told CNN about the timeline.
Taking time on major decisions isn't a bad thing, White House aides argue, and neither is taking seriously, for example, that independent agencies like the FDA and US Centers of Disease Control and Prevention are supposed to function without the President's direct interference -- something Biden allies say is a key differentiation from the last President.
"This is what separates him from Donald Trump, and it's an important separation. He says, 'I am not a dictator. I am not an autocrat,'" said Mitch Landrieu, the former New Orleans mayor who's coordinating the implementation of the $1 trillion infrastructure law passed last year.
White House officials also lament not getting more help from their colleagues in Congress, most recently on trying to lower gas prices. If congressional Democrats thought Biden took too long to offer his gas tax holiday proposal, the thinking in the White House goes, they could have easily come up with another idea of their own, and sooner. Aides also eagerly point out how much support multiple polls show for Biden's proposal.
Landrieu ticked off a number of initiatives the White House has gotten behind and hoped for congressional action by Democrats only to have bills languish.
"The President has called on Congress to pass a reconciliation bill. The President has called on Congress to pass the COMPETES Act. The President has called on Congress to reduce prescription drugs, to reduce costs to health care, to fill in the gap on the challenges with the Affordable Care Act and to continue to basically do everything they can, and Congress has gone, 'Oh, well, we can't do anything.' So it's just the nature of politics sometimes you just say, 'I wish somebody else would help,' when we're really this is all hands on deck," said Landrieu.
'Scapegoating the President'
Throughout, the President's defenders argue, Biden is the one who's taking action, even if much of that action is out of view. They hold up the gun legislation passed by Congress as a perfect example of how his approach works even if not always in the spotlight: Biden deliberately left the negotiations to the rank-and-file members to avoid aggravating a delicate situation.
White House aides checked in daily, and Biden spoke several times with Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, who led the efforts. "The President's early attention to this issue was a big part of setting the table for the process that led to the bill's passage," Murphy told CNN.
Inside the White House, criticism and proposals from fellow Democrats are often seen as the latest version of, essentially, presidential fan fiction -- the kind of visceral, political statement that sounds great from the sidelines but doesn't actually make sense.
For example, in the wake of the Supreme Court's abortion reversal, New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and New York Gov. Kathy Hochul have called for the White House to open up federal lands to abortion clinics, a move that lawyers inside and some outside the government believe would backfire by leaving abortion providers and women open to potential prosecution as soon as they stepped off the federal lands.
Fundamentally, Biden and his aides are operating from a very different sense of the presidency. He's being realistic, they believe, and responsible -- not just because his options are truly limited, but specifically because he's trying to restore the structural integrity of the government and of democracy after four years of Trump. They also see him as taking a more integrated view -- moving on canceling student loan debt, for example, they believe, could imperil whatever is left of the legislative agenda that is starting to emerge from Senate negotiations.
Biden has been batting away complaints that he's out of sync with his party since before he launched his presidential campaign.
"The country didn't elect Joe Biden because they wanted a Democratic Donald Trump to go out there every day and divide the country more," said Cedric Richmond, who left his own seat in Congress to serve in the West Wing for Biden's first year. Democrats attacking Biden are "scapegoating the President, or distracted and not focusing on what they should be focused on. He saved democracy once by beating a tyrant. He's doing it again, but he doesn't do it by beating his chest."
The attacks Biden is facing now are "the same foolishness that got us Donald Trump -- 'Hillary wasn't good enough,' 'She's not fighting hard enough,'" Richmond said. "That's what got us Donald Trump. And that got us Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. Case closed."
Washington (CNN) - Debra Messing was fed up. The former "Will & Grace" star was among dozens of celebrity Democratic supporters and activists who joined a call with White House aides last Monday to discuss the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
The mood was fatalistic, according to three people on the call, which was also co-organized by the advocacy group Build Back Better Together.
Messing said she'd gotten Joe Biden elected and wanted to know why she was being asked to do anything at all, yelling that there didn't even seem a point to voting. Others wondered why the call was happening.
That afternoon, participants received a follow-up email with a list of basic talking points and suggestions of Biden speech clips to share on TikTok.
The call, three days after the decision eliminating federal abortion rights, encapsulates the overwhelming sense of frustration among Democrats with Biden. It offers a new window into what many in the President's party describe as a mismanagement permeating the White House.
Top Democrats complain the President isn't acting with -- or perhaps is even capable of -- the urgency the moment demands.
"Rudderless, aimless and hopeless" is how one member of Congress described the White House.
Two dozen leading Democratic politicians and operatives, as well as several within the West Wing, tell CNN they feel this goes deeper than questions of ideology and posture. Instead, they say, it gets to questions of basic management.
More than a week after the abortion decision, top Biden aides are still wrangling over releasing new actions in response, despite the draft decision leaking six weeks earlier.
White House counsel Dana Remus had assured senior aides the Supreme Court wouldn't rule on abortion that day. A White House press aide assigned to the issue was walking to get coffee when the alert hit. Several Democratic leaders privately mocked how the President stood in the foyer of the White House, squinting through his remarks from a teleprompter as demonstrators poured into the streets, making only vague promises of action because he and aides hadn't decided on more.
Then, Biden's July 1 meeting with governors to talk about their efforts to protect abortion rights was planned so last minute that none of those who attended came in person, and several of those invited declined to rearrange their schedules to appear virtually.
Multiple Democratic politicians who have reached out to work with Biden -- whether it's on specific bills, brainstorming or outreach -- often don't hear anything back at all. Potential appointees have languished for months waiting to hear if they'll get jobs, or when they'll be done with vetting. Invitations to events are scarce, thank you calls barely happen. Even some aides within the White House wonder why Biden didn't fire anyone, from the West Wing or at the Food and Drug Administration, to demonstrate some accountability or at least anger over the baby formula debacle.
Inside the White House, aides are exhausted from feeling forever on red alert, batting at a swarm of crises that keeps growing -- enough for White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre to make an offhand joke about the constant "eleventh hour" decision-making in the building when under fire at a recent daily briefing.
Several officials say Biden's tendency to berate advisers when he's displeased with how a situation is being handled or when events go off poorly has trickled down the ranks in the West Wing, leaving several mid-level aides feeling blamed for failings despite lacking any real ability to influence the building's decision-making. That's contributed to some of the recent staff departures, according to people familiar.
Democrats worry the lack of decisions and authority are deepening their own midterm problems and feeding a sense that the President couldn't truly handle the extra complications of a run for reelection in 2024 -- and along the way, reinforcing narratives that he's an old man not fit for the moment.
The President who campaigned on putting America back together again after four years of deep divisions appears to have stopped trying, supporters say.
"There's no fight," another Democratic member told CNN. "People understand that a lot of this is out of his hands -- but what you want to see is the President out there swinging."
'Throwing spaghetti at the wall'
A year and a half in, the Biden administration is struggling to untangle supply chains and tackle soaring inflation— which is by far the biggest problem facing Democrats up and down the ballot in November.
"It's got to look like you're taking actions," said California Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna. "Any economist who says the President shouldn't do anything on the economy should be fired. They can be at a think tank, they can be a professor. But they shouldn't be at the White House."
"There's not a frontline office out there that isn't frustrated with the lack of action coming from the White House on inflation," one aide told a member fighting to hang onto an endangered seat. "At the very least, the President should get caught trying to bring prices down just about every day."
White House aides say that is exactly what they are doing. In the past few months, the administration has announced a historic release of oil from the nation's strategic petroleum reserve, invoked the Defense Production Act to address baby formula shortages, and even floated a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax.
But none of these moves have solved the problems: The baby formula shortage persists, inflation remains high and gas prices, though slightly down from their high, are still hovering close to $5 a gallon.
Biden's support of a gas tax holiday was the subject of months of deliberations among officials -- many of whom were against it and privately suggested it was a purely political step to show initiative on gas prices, and only recently put the question in front of Biden directly.
"It had the appearance of throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks," one official said privately.
Bottlenecks and indecision
Sources also say that decisions in the White House are getting bottlenecked, as veteran advisers urge Biden to take the long view, rather than focus on fast responses. Few are trying, and even fewer succeeding, in pushing back against Biden's infamous inability to settle on decisions, on everything from whether to lift tariffs on Chinese imports or cancel student loan debt.
Biden has been mulling what to do on student loans for more than a year. White House staff drafted a memo on the topic weeks ago, and a final decision is now being targeted ahead of when the current repayment pause expires on August 31 -- further aggravating progressives who say Biden's indecision is hurting people with debt who are trying to make plans, and losing much of the political benefit he could get from it.
"We picked that date for a reason: we'd like to see where the inflation problem is, and we'd like to see where our legislative agenda is. There's nothing uncertain or hesitating about it: it's a deadline, and we will deliver on it," White House spokesperson Chris Meagher told CNN about the timeline.
Taking time on major decisions isn't a bad thing, White House aides argue, and neither is taking seriously, for example, that independent agencies like the FDA and US Centers of Disease Control and Prevention are supposed to function without the President's direct interference -- something Biden allies say is a key differentiation from the last President.
"This is what separates him from Donald Trump, and it's an important separation. He says, 'I am not a dictator. I am not an autocrat,'" said Mitch Landrieu, the former New Orleans mayor who's coordinating the implementation of the $1 trillion infrastructure law passed last year.
White House officials also lament not getting more help from their colleagues in Congress, most recently on trying to lower gas prices. If congressional Democrats thought Biden took too long to offer his gas tax holiday proposal, the thinking in the White House goes, they could have easily come up with another idea of their own, and sooner. Aides also eagerly point out how much support multiple polls show for Biden's proposal.
Landrieu ticked off a number of initiatives the White House has gotten behind and hoped for congressional action by Democrats only to have bills languish.
"The President has called on Congress to pass a reconciliation bill. The President has called on Congress to pass the COMPETES Act. The President has called on Congress to reduce prescription drugs, to reduce costs to health care, to fill in the gap on the challenges with the Affordable Care Act and to continue to basically do everything they can, and Congress has gone, 'Oh, well, we can't do anything.' So it's just the nature of politics sometimes you just say, 'I wish somebody else would help,' when we're really this is all hands on deck," said Landrieu.
'Scapegoating the President'
Throughout, the President's defenders argue, Biden is the one who's taking action, even if much of that action is out of view. They hold up the gun legislation passed by Congress as a perfect example of how his approach works even if not always in the spotlight: Biden deliberately left the negotiations to the rank-and-file members to avoid aggravating a delicate situation.
White House aides checked in daily, and Biden spoke several times with Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, who led the efforts. "The President's early attention to this issue was a big part of setting the table for the process that led to the bill's passage," Murphy told CNN.
Inside the White House, criticism and proposals from fellow Democrats are often seen as the latest version of, essentially, presidential fan fiction -- the kind of visceral, political statement that sounds great from the sidelines but doesn't actually make sense.
For example, in the wake of the Supreme Court's abortion reversal, New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and New York Gov. Kathy Hochul have called for the White House to open up federal lands to abortion clinics, a move that lawyers inside and some outside the government believe would backfire by leaving abortion providers and women open to potential prosecution as soon as they stepped off the federal lands.
Fundamentally, Biden and his aides are operating from a very different sense of the presidency. He's being realistic, they believe, and responsible -- not just because his options are truly limited, but specifically because he's trying to restore the structural integrity of the government and of democracy after four years of Trump. They also see him as taking a more integrated view -- moving on canceling student loan debt, for example, they believe, could imperil whatever is left of the legislative agenda that is starting to emerge from Senate negotiations.
Biden has been batting away complaints that he's out of sync with his party since before he launched his presidential campaign.
"The country didn't elect Joe Biden because they wanted a Democratic Donald Trump to go out there every day and divide the country more," said Cedric Richmond, who left his own seat in Congress to serve in the West Wing for Biden's first year. Democrats attacking Biden are "scapegoating the President, or distracted and not focusing on what they should be focused on. He saved democracy once by beating a tyrant. He's doing it again, but he doesn't do it by beating his chest."
The attacks Biden is facing now are "the same foolishness that got us Donald Trump -- 'Hillary wasn't good enough,' 'She's not fighting hard enough,'" Richmond said. "That's what got us Donald Trump. And that got us Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. Case closed."
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Oh yes. Let's be excited for a guy wearing a dress running for office. In this timeline.
CarlosDanger
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Yeah I was listening to some financial adviser and he said the reason oil/gas prices have been dropping is because people know we are in a recession, and everything is tightening.
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Everyone's a bigger pervert in private than they are in public.
Everyone.
No exceptions.
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A politician's words coming back to bite them are nothing new, but...
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@Oxous
Meanwhile, Rogan I guess thinks this will save him from the woke horde.
And we've reached DARVO with the very corrupt and controlled leftist groups in Georgia:
"OF COURSE there was vote rigging... It was the Republicans, trying to steal the election! duh!"
They have to at least start acknowledging the problem or the next guy -- TRUMP -- will get credit for acknowledging and fixing it. And he'll be able to brand everything about it. No, the Putin Price Hike won't survive Trump calling it the "Biden Fuckup" at a rally once.
Meanwhile, Rogan I guess thinks this will save him from the woke horde.
And we've reached DARVO with the very corrupt and controlled leftist groups in Georgia:
"OF COURSE there was vote rigging... It was the Republicans, trying to steal the election! duh!"
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Welp, looks like she’s going to be over there for at least a decade. That’s an unpalatable double-whammy.
Or not. The guy may have a hand in thousands of deaths, but one mustn’t discount the lengths that the left will go with their IdPol stupidity. Bear in mind, Griner is:
Black
Wahman
Lesbian
A female basketball player in the WNBA, which may as well count as a marginalized community to the left
Someone with a documented history of shitting on this country, its anthem, and its flag
Brandon and Co. love everything about her. They just might do the swap because, hey, who cares about a few thousand dead when you have the opportunity to liberate an individual who’s sooooooooo stunning and brave?
BlackWahmanLesbianA female basketball player in the WNBA, which may as well count as a marginalized community to the leftSomeone with a documented history of shitting on this country, its anthem, and its flagBrandon and Co. love everything about her. They just might do the swap because, hey, who cares about a few thousand dead when you have the opportunity to liberate an individual who’s sooooooooo stunning and brave?
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