Shinzo Abe Assassination

[Don't Tread on Me]

Okay so we know the guy is from the military but are we sure that means he wasn't Yakuza?

 

[Tsar Nicky]

It is a graph that compares the US and Japan (the two counties that we are talking about).

The user I was responding to was implying that gun control is pointless since people will still get their hands on guns.

I was making the point that while gun control could not literally stop 100% of all gun control, there is a clear reduction in the levels of gun crime in those nations.

What do you mean "reduction"? We're talking about Japan, a nation that disarmed its peasants before North America was even known of because feudal lords want people defenceless. You're also talking about a nation with a rapidly aging, dwindling population and comparing it to a huge diverse country with a million demographics, over 300 million people, single states that are bigger than mainland Japan, and a completely different fucking culture. (also a constitution guaranteeing certain rights that it might be a bad idea to fuck with but hey, that ship has sailed and no modern American gives a shit about that so let's just ignore it). Also, and this is my very well thought out and ingenious observation that will deboonk all of your arguments... caring more about safety than freedom is gross and you're probably a fag

 

[FamicomGorby]

Rated you optimistic since if it was a Chinese asset, then why would he have to use a homemade shotgun? Even the CCP would at least try to smuggle a pistol to use for something like this.

My guess is ex-SDF guy who went schizo and did a random attack or maybe ex-SDF guy who's a wackjob political loon. Probably a combo of both, to be completely honest.

Counterpoint, if it was some Chinese op then they wouldn't wanna give him a gun that people could ask questions about how the fuck he got it.

If it were a Chinese op then the way I see it happening is they would identify someone who could be manipulated into wanting to kill Abe, stoke him up, send them instructions on how to make a black powder gun, then sit back and watch.

So not completely out of the realm of possibility, spy agencies have used plenty of useful idiots throughout history to do shit.

 

[boongus]

Okay so we know the guy is from the military but are we sure that means he wasn't Yakuza?

If he was from the yakuza odds are he'd probably have an actual firearm and not some homemade duct tape abomination you put together in your dads garage.

Spoiler: Duct tape abomination

 

[Bioniclelover]

For real what's the overlap between modern day transgenders and weeaboos. It has to be at least 9 out of 10.

It's probably the cutesy uwu kawaii artstyle combined with oversexualization of characters

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Holy shit, dude.
This is probably a gay comparison, but this could genuinely become Japan’s 9/11 moment, in the sense that, like, this is going to change a LOT about how security is handled- Japan is typically a high-trust society, but I could see this really changing things.

I don’t know what to think, really- this is insane. Abe was one of the most interesting politicians to me, he seemed to be one of the few that actually cared about his people, and not the globohomo sphere.

I guess but Japan is not without a history of political assassination

this was 1960. Historically, before that (first half of the 20 century) assassinations happened often enough that it was basically just a way to transfer power.

 

[Adolphin]

Richard Harris' speech on "why not shoot a president?" in The Unforgiven is unironically based, by the way. Japan is a very authoritarian society. The populace have an autistic level of respect for authority and conformity except for the few schizos willing to assassinate people, but I think even those schizos wouldn't dare go after the emperor. I mean, this guy didn't even kill the CURRENT prime minister, he killed the previous guy. What I'm saying is fuck the US and the gay constitution they pushed on Japan which is not even a third as good as the US' own constitution. Japan should chuck it out of the window. Absolute monarchy would totally work in Japan and I'm not actually convinced that a whole lot of Japanese people even give a fuck about democracy in the first place. They don't have the Shinto beliefs in the emperor being divine anymore, but their blind respect for authority is still strong enough for the emperor to have enough pull. Same opinion on Russia (even moreso, because they still have a fairly large Orthodox Christian "the king is appointed by God" faith and also because they've been ruled by the same guy for a million years now anyway). In an absolute monarchy, there are barely any important politicians to kill. The PM is still important, but in no way can be construed as the leader of the nation. In an authoritarian society, an absolute monarchy is the most stable. Jappos love government-san and would rather seppuku themselves than suffer the dishonour of crossing the road without permission. They are the perfect populace for royal dictatorship and would still be under absolute imperial rule if it weren't for those meddling kids at the Manhattan Project.

Japan never had an absolute monarchy per se, aside from the "Yamato Period", in which the Emperor held actual power since he was militarily the strongest. Following that period, the Emperor became a mostly religious position with military control owned by the various feuding Daimyos. In fact, the Meiji Restoration happened due to the historically resentful southern daimyos, which wanted to overthrow the Tokugawa Shogunate, which based its power on north daimyos. Even if Meiji was a unique emperor in Japanese history since he had far greater power than usual, after his death, the position again lost its power. Hirohito was more like an intermediary between the feuding Japanese factions rather than an autocrat, which is why he was sparred after the war. I consider Japan an authoritarian country since LDP, the ruling party, has been in power for more than 50 years. It avoids that label only because it is a US ally. Shinzo was most likely killed due to some disagreement with the Yakuza or some other faction. Japan's politics are a combination of nepotism, organised crime, and various conflicting factions, all balanced on a thin thread.

I use the term "organised crime" to describe the Yakuza, but we should note that it is much more than just a ephemeral mafia or group. It is a large social class which exists to fulfil several niches.

 

[Ponzo]

RIP Shinzo, may you play golf in heaven. My condolences also to the people that wrote fanfics about him spooning Trump and whispering "Aniki"

 

[Drain Todger]

Some

Are those WIRES on the side? Do I get a prize for guessing electrically fired homemade muzzle loader?

Very much so. Someone did a rather simple diagram of this thing's layout:



Electrical ignition obviates the need for percussion primers or a flintlock mechanism. Here's a proper example of the concept:

 

[A.P. Hill]

Rated you optimistic since if it was a Chinese asset, then why would he have to use a homemade shotgun? Even the CCP would at least try to smuggle a pistol to use for something like this.

My guess is ex-SDF guy who went schizo and did a random attack or maybe ex-SDF guy who's a wackjob political loon. Probably a combo of both, to be completely honest.

I would think China wouldn't be stupid enough to send an assassin with a real pistol out on live TV. Japan is so strict with guns and has done such a good job at controlling the supply that shooting someone with one immediately marks you as either organized crime or a hired professional assassin.

 

[Skitarii]

Fun Learning Time for Lesson On Buddhist Hells

Just so y'all know according to Japanese belief of what is happening to Shinzo Abe right now.

Shinzo Abe is now in Jigoku (Japanese word for hell) and is awaiting to see king Enma who will judge his soul and see if he's worthy of a good Samsara (Buddhist rebirth). The 5 realms he could go to are gods, demigods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts (sixth is hell). If he's going to one of the hells he will be sentenced.

The human rebirth is immensely unlikely. "A human birth is said to be so rare and precious that a turtle surfacing in a vast ocean is more likely to put his head through a small ring floating on the surface than we are to get a human birth." Most people who are good are rebirthed as Animals. Theres hot hells and cold hells and special hells for special types of crimes. Buddhist hell is very specific, there are hells for animal abusers who get torn apart by animals they hurt, for example. This article in English is mostly correct about some of the hells you can experience. Buddhist hell eventually lets you be retried and leave though because Buddha is merciful. But first you have to wait to be judged.

So he's going to be waiting in line in a queue for a few months to go get his soul weighed having to cross the sanzu river etc... In other words, even in Japanese afterlife you cannot escape compact quarters, queues and being judged harshly by a superior.

I wouldn't wanna have my neck breathed-down on by this bitch either

 

[Meiwaku]

First of all, we are way more anti-korean than we are anti-chinaman. Although that being said Koreans sneed more about Japs than vice versa. Call Takeshima it's actual name instead of "Dokdo" and REEEEEE ensues. The level of Koreasneed has never died down to the extent that I have met koreans irl in an unrelated country like America and their first reaction when finding out eachothers ethnicities was "oh god please no racism".

I'm waiting for the Japaanese nationalist groups to blame Koreans, somehow. Like how every American crime is "the jews" or "glowies," so is everything "the Koreans" in Japan.

EDIT : I went to Yahoo Japan to prove my theory and damn. WHAT THE FUCK DID I SAY LMAOOO:

translation/article info: Korean Consulate General calls attention to potential blame of hate crime (on Koreans) for prime minister's death.
sauce

If this mf comes out any other nationality than Japanese that country is done for.

-Sic-

Japan loves stability and thus autocracy tends to happen, but we will rebel if it's nonce. Just not Chinaman level rebel.

However, organized crime is on a really steep decline. Yakuza peaked in the 80s. It's not really good to theorize like this with no proof to impressionable foreigners. What's popular in games and TV isn't the same as what's real.

 

[Slav Power]

Rest in peace, kyodai.

 

[Adolphin]

I would think China wouldn't be stupid enough to send an assassin with a real pistol out on live TV. Japan is so strict with guns and has done such a good job at controlling the supply that shooting someone with one immediately marks you as either organized crime or a hired professional assassin.

The Chinese would never assassinate someone in broad daylight either. Those things are too risky, and the Chinese are obsessed with not losing face in the global community. The Chinese, if they do not like you, they will either purchase you or constantly bitch about you.

 

[heathercho]

I would think China wouldn't be stupid enough to send an assassin with a real pistol out on live TV. Japan is so strict with guns and has done such a good job at controlling the supply that shooting someone with one immediately marks you as either organized crime or a hired professional assassin.

I think people forget just how vital Abe was to the LDP. To remove basically, the Trump, the basis of power from the LDP is very powerful.
Never mind the fact that there have been known threats to the LDP for quite a while now.

To put it into perspective, I've never been as busy at work, as I have been in the past 4 months, in regards to the turmoil in the Japanese political landscape. This really hasn't developed overnight and honestly, they don't need China to be the aggressor. There's a metric fuckton of "homegrown" problems going on right now.

 

[Ponzo]

Xi Jinping learns of Shinzo Abe's assassination (2022) colorized

But honestly, would not be surprised if the commie fucks were behind it

 

[Ahriman]

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You're so right dude. Gun control is pointless. Even if it reduces gun violence and suicides by 99%; if it isn't total then it isn't worth it. Might as well just give up and give em out to anyone. That'll make things better right?

While I agree with the statement, you are still not seeing the full picture - it's the symptom of a disease. The root cause is the moral decay of the society, because most gun violence is not committed by people with mental health problems, rather, it is committed by people who feel they are morally right in committing that act. For all we know, there are tons of people getting shanked with screwdrivers both in the US and Japan, we just don't document those incidents well enough to warrant a "rise in screwdriver attacks". The Swiss are also the most armed society and we don't see schizos running around, gunning down people, what's the difference between the Swiss and the US? societal moral decay.

This argument can, as far as I know, be traced back to a really interesting sociological book called *The Seductions of Crime* by Jack Katz, first published back in '88. It was important when it was written because a lot of people were arguing about how all these structural and environmental things caused crime and Katz was just like, "Look, a lot of crimes are driven by emotions, not being poor. Not lack of policing. Not 'broken windows'." It's mainly qualitative data, not statistics, because he was mainly trying to point out that this was a major driver of crime, not the magnitude of crime it was driving. Still, he argues, he's describing incredibly common types of crimes, and it makes a lot of sense. It changed criminology and got him tenure at UCLA. It's a commonly assigned in intro classes so it's available for basically nothing used on Amazon.

The best two chapters are the first two. One, "Righteous Slaughter", is about this very thing. It's about how all these everyday events can lead up to violence. How fights over parking spaces and chicken wings can escape into murder. Saying they're about morality simplifies the process (probably to include things like ISIS), but in homicide so that Katz is describing, it's a movement of feelings of humiliation, to rage, to murder, all morally justified to the perpetrator (at least in that moment). It's fascinating, he goes through it case after case. Though obviously statistics aren't collected on this precisely, aside from perhaps murders committed in the course of robberies, he argues that this sort of "righteous slaughter" is likely the modal form of homocide. Here's a PDF of the first two chapters (the second chapter begins on page 52) and you can judge his argument for yourself.

The second chapter, "Sneaky Thrills", is even better. It's all about shoplifting, and all these shoplifters who steal for the thrill of it, rather than because they need or want the item they're taking. Again, it's not something that fits a convenient rational choice/economic or Marxist or mental health or any other major school of criminology. It's certainly not how most of us are used to thinking about all the crimes we read about in the newspaper.

The book is a fascinating look on crime, one that really makes you think. We normally think of people either being "forced into crime" or somehow "bad" or "broken", but Katz argues that's not necessarily the case. There are certain things that can make the crime attractive, and not just for simple material gain.

 

[Hee]

Curious about if and how Japan would try to prevent this from happening again legislatively.
Inb4 japan restricts steel pipe to licensed individuals.

Jokes aside, I’m curious how this guy got his hands on ammo like that in Japan. The makeshift gun I understand, but the access to ammo makes me think he’s got some interesting connections.


Edit: I realize the ammo was probably lead balls or something, oops..

 

[Microsoft Gachi]

Curious about if and how Japan would try to prevent this from happening again legislatively.
Inb4 japan restricts steel pipe to licensed individuals.

Jokes aside, I’m curious how this guy got his hands on ammo like that in Japan. The makeshift gun I understand, but the access to ammo makes me think he’s got some interesting connections.

you mean access to lead balls? you just melt them down and mold them into balls

 

[A.P. Hill]

First of all, we are way more anti-korean than we are anti-chinaman. Although that being said Koreans sneed more about Japs than vice versa. Call Takeshima it's actual name instead of "Dokdo" and REEEEEE ensues. The level of Koreasneed has never died down to the extent that I have met koreans irl in an unrelated country like America and their first reaction when finding out eachothers ethnicities was "oh god please no racism".

I'm waiting for the Japaanese nationalist groups to blame Koreans, somehow. Like how every American crime is "the jews" or "glowies," so is everything "the Koreans" in Japan.

I don't blame them considering Koreans perpetually seethe and mald whenever Japan does anything vaguely patriotic.

Zainichi groups in the 70s were also straight up funded by North Korea. I think some of them still may be. They perpetually agitated but the Japanese authorities refused to investigate them due to fears of international incidents. I see why at least some Japanese don't like them.