Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[baldo_giovane]

you have to be prepared for a negative reaction as these types can be very defensive and cut people out of their lives for questioning the trans movement.

Been there, done that. It really sucks, people can change just like that with too much free time and an internet connection.

I'm not sure what EDs is when you say "fixing up EDs." Whether that's fixing up Erectile Dysfunction on guys or fixing up Encyclopaedia Dramatica pages that's good to hear.

ED = Eating Disorders

 

[Furry Troon]

just when I thought I'd finally escaped all this by leaving the dogfucking cult that groomed me into troonery, I discover that my only friend outside of that has trooned out and replaced their entire social group with transgenders

I still inject cross-sex hormones myself and IDC what they do with their body, but I'm sad to hear them repeat troon talking points & anxieties now, especially since they say how miserable they are and how they can't relate to most of their new 'friends'. how do I help them?

am I just a coke addict trying to convince a crack addict to switch? how do I rebuild a social life when my one out is now caught up in this?

 

[Kiislova]

just when I thought I'd finally escaped all this by leaving the dogfucking cult that groomed me into troonery, I discover that my only friend outside of that has trooned out and replaced their entire social group with transgenders

I still inject cross-sex hormones myself and IDC what they do with their body, but I'm sad to hear them repeat troon talking points & anxieties now, especially since they say how miserable they are and how they can't relate to most of their new 'friends'. how do I help them?

am I just a coke addict trying to convince a crack addict to switch? how do I rebuild a social life when my one out is now caught up in this?

Well, you can tell him/her/it that the high wears off (like drugs) and that it makes people miserable (like drugs) and that you just shoot up to not be in even worse pain (like drugs) but never ever will be a real (wo)man feeling well ever again

And that you know from experience.
If it is more true than false what I said, I'm sorry.

 

[Boys Club Rhetoric]

Update and a new story (sorta)

Update: a few months back I posted about my best friend's widower trooning out. Unfortunately, he now has bolt-ons, and told me he was thinking of quitting his job. We haven't spoken for about a month now, so uncertain if he's since followed through with that.

New story time, with heavy power levelling:

I'm absolutely terrified for my preteen niece someday. Who incidentally, is diagnosed autistic, so yay for comorbidities.

Her mother - which is to say my sister - is the Queen of Woke. Like the living embodiment of the "I support the current thing" meme. She bandwagons every left-wing news cycle, without knowing shit about what it actually means. It is so incredibly easy to bait her into contradicting herself/getting her to parrot dumb ideas. For example, as a joke, I suggested Patrick Tomlinson's infamous paint balloon versus tanks tweet to her when the Russo-Ukraine war was the topic du jour, and she thought it was a great idea!

Some years back, she announced to the family she was a whole bunch of different things (see the spoiler below) and when we didn't react, she assumed we were all just super accepting of it. The reality is, we had no fucking clue what she was saying. I was still sympathetic to trannies back then, but looking back, I think that declaration is what started peaking me. And now she's recently decided she's enby, going by she/they, and of course got pronoun pins and all that shit. The slippery slope is in effect.

Spoiler: Her laundry list of prefixes/self-diagnoses/lunacy, courtesy of her Facebook bio

She/they
Demiromantic
Demipansexual
Demigirl
Pagan
Solitary witch
AuDHD
Feminist
Disabled

She dumped a screed in our family group chat about feeling "unseen" as a queer during this past Pride month. She also posted pics that she took of her daughter at Pride events - including a photo op with a drag queen. My niece looked uncomfortable in the pic, but my sister said she loved it. And mentioned how next year she wants to take the her to a Trans march or some shit.

Hell, she's even softly tried to groom me into the Alphabet army. Not trying to troon me out, but still. She's constantly trying to apply various labels to me, despite me openly telling her I find it wildly offensive, and to fuck off with that shit.

My sister does have one saving grace: she's a huge Harry Potter fan, so she hasn't fully turned on JK Rowling - yet. Gotta take those W's where I can.

But it gets worse. My niece's dad also recently trooned out. Now him, I couldn't give less of a fuck about. He's a real piece of shit. He's fathered and abandoned children all across the country, to give a taste of what kind of man he is. After my sister and him broke it off, she was finally awakened to what a piece of shit he is. Not so long ago, she was finally looking into the process of getting sole custody of my niece. Our entire family was ready to move heaven and earth to help in any way we could. Anything to get my niece into a healthier, safer environment.

But no. Now that he's a woman, suddenly "she's" such a great co-parent! Sister dutifully refers to him by the new name and gender, and refers to him as "other mom". Someone even deadnamed/misgendered him in the group chat, and my niece immediately made a point of correcting them, and it broke my heart. She's being force fed the Kool-aid.

Unfortunately, they live too far away that I rarely get to actually see them - every few years at best, so there's very little I can actually do to try to nudge the needle back to sanity. And I can't openly tell her how I really feel because I'd just get excommunicated in a heartbeat.

 

[FFinfo]

But it gets worse. My niece's dad also recently trooned out. Now him, I couldn't give less of a fuck about. He's a real piece of shit. He's fathered and abandoned children all across the country, to give a taste of what kind of man he is. After my sister and him broke it off, she was finally awakened to what a piece of shit he is. Not so long ago, she was finally looking into the process of getting sole custody of my niece. Our entire family was ready to move heaven and earth to help in any way we could. Anything to get my niece into a healthier, safer environment.

But no. Now that he's a woman, suddenly "she's" such a great co-parent! Sister dutifully refers to him by the new name and gender, and refers to him as "other mom". Someone even deadnamed/misgendered him in the group chat, and my niece immediately made a point of correcting them, and it broke my heart. She's being force fed the Kool-aid.

Unfortunately, they live too far away that I rarely get to actually see them - every few years at best, so there's very little I can actually do to try to nudge the needle back to sanity. And I can't openly tell her how I really feel because I'd just get excommunicated in a heartbeat.

Birds of a feather flock together. Your sister brother-in-law deserve one another. Just try to help your niece see through their bullshit since there's a nonzero chance your sister will offer your niece up for sexual exploitation.

 

[Ser Prize]

just when I thought I'd finally escaped all this by leaving the dogfucking cult that groomed me into troonery, I discover that my only friend outside of that has trooned out and replaced their entire social group with transgenders

I still inject cross-sex hormones myself and IDC what they do with their body, but I'm sad to hear them repeat troon talking points & anxieties now, especially since they say how miserable they are and how they can't relate to most of their new 'friends'. how do I help them?

am I just a coke addict trying to convince a crack addict to switch? how do I rebuild a social life when my one out is now caught up in this?

Stop injecting estrogen for starters. That shit plays hell on your body.

 

[Punitive Castration]

First post. Long time lurker. Wanted somewhere to marshal my thoughts on what's happening to a relative of mine.

My brother-in-law is now firmly on the path of trooning out, and there is seemingly no way off of it. This is because he reacts extremely aggressively and defensively to any perceived slight to his "identity", which makes it too awkward to broach the subject. Suggesting that his continued transition might not be a good idea would likely result in a response that doesn't bear thinking about. It's downright "cultish" behaviour, and it's frustrating that I, and everyone else, have to police our language (his pronouns are "they/them") and generally walk on eggshells just so we can all maintain some sense of normalcy when my partner and I visit her parents (with whom my BIL lives). We are nervous around the dinner table. Hardly indicative of someone who is mentally stable.

I will never forget the time his father accidentally deadnamed him, which elicited a vicious "fuck off!" and disappearance of the troon-to-be for TWO days until he "recovered" enough to appear in public again. I have no doubt that his hurt was genuine, but it comes from an utter denial of reality. How can you negotiate with someone like that?

3 years ago, he was fine. Normal. Then the coof/lockdown hit and everything went to hell. I am convinced that my brother-in-law has been groomed into this nonsense by his acquaintances on the internet, and by the pricks in healthcare who affirm this shit and never, ever challenge it. He was always a progressive type and thus possessed that slightly domineering personality, ready to pounce on any wrongthink and mildly bully you into the "correct" opinion.

All I can say is that sense of righteousness is serving him (and his groomers) very well. His poor mother is assisting him in this madness, but my gut says she is doing so reluctantly. The home-life situation isn't ideal for her to do anything else, and actually is the perfect crucible for turning a lonely young adult (locked down at home in an isolated community all day every day) who likes anime into, as per the copypasta, "a mockery of nature's perfection."

I've now noticed that he must be on HRT; on my last visit. he turned to the side to pick up something, and I noticed two weird little pokey lumps on his chest that weren't there 6 months ago.

I really think he might go all the way. My real BIL is already dead, and this thing that's replaced him may very well join the 41%.




I completely agree. I'd further add that the "cult" in this case almost certainly teaches it's followers to respond with hostility and indignation when anything other than affirmation is given. I pointed this out to my mother-in-law after the deadnaming incident I wrote of above. It's not a natural response to a mistake so innocently made. It must, MUST, be behaviour taught in the bible of troonery.



I want to save my brother. But I think I'm going to lose him regardless of what I do. I can either destroy my relationship with him, trying to pull him off this journey, or I can just sit and watch him inevitably destroy his body and himself.

It can't be you who makes him change - in his position there's no pressure for him to get his life right. I'm not sure how old he is based on your post but it seems like the healthiest thing is for your in-laws to either give him the boot or change his circumstances so that he can no longer comfortably shut himself in his room all day. I suppose you could offer to get him out of the house too, in whatever form that takes, but I think the main inspiration for troons like him is directionless depression - no Vitamin D, no social life, no fulfillment, etc. Trooning just becomes a placebo in the place of getting a life.

Obviously though you can only lead the horse to water. I think modern middle class families suffer too much from success and don't feel enough pressure to make sure they aren't raising domesticated humanoid pets. If your in-laws enable it then there's not much you can do.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

just when I thought I'd finally escaped all this by leaving the dogfucking cult that groomed me into troonery, I discover that my only friend outside of that has trooned out and replaced their entire social group with transgenders

I still inject cross-sex hormones myself and IDC what they do with their body, but I'm sad to hear them repeat troon talking points & anxieties now, especially since they say how miserable they are and how they can't relate to most of their new 'friends'. how do I help them?

am I just a coke addict trying to convince a crack addict to switch? how do I rebuild a social life when my one out is now caught up in this?

Dunno... You might be in a unique position to say, "I'm messed up - why would you ever want to be like me?"

As far as finding a social life, I'd suggest joining a new hobby group. Find something where you have common ground with people and something easy to talk about.

domesticated humanoid pets.

Good lord. That is so true. I have a "failed to launch" relative and that is totally what they are.

 

[DumbDude42]

Obviously though you can only lead the horse to water. I think modern middle class families suffer too much from success and don't feel enough pressure to make sure they aren't raising domesticated humanoid pets. If your in-laws enable it then there's not much you can do.

Good lord. That is so true. I have a "failed to launch" relative and that is totally what they are.

the big problem with these 'failure to launch' types is that their situation is enabled from two directions. first by their family at home, second by the welfare state.
the threat of mom and dad kicking you out isn't very much of a threat when you know that you can just hop on disability or unemployment benefits, get a free apartment in public (or publicly subsidized) housing, and keep up your NEET basement dweller life forever regardless of what your parents say about it. and the parents also know this, so they become even less inclined to kick him out because it's not gonna achieve anything except further alienating them from their child (which they obviously do not want)

 

[Doctor Ivo Robotnik Sr.]

I know your kiwi chuds aren't going to like this, but I'm actually transitioning from male to

Spoiler

Alpha Male

 

[Pikanic]

It can't be you who makes him change - in his position there's no pressure for him to get his life right. I'm not sure how old he is based on your post but it seems like the healthiest thing is for your in-laws to either give him the boot or change his circumstances so that he can no longer comfortably shut himself in his room all day. I suppose you could offer to get him out of the house too, in whatever form that takes, but I think the main inspiration for troons like him is directionless depression - no Vitamin D, no social life, no fulfillment, etc. Trooning just becomes a placebo in the place of getting a life.

Obviously though you can only lead the horse to water. I think modern middle class families suffer too much from success and don't feel enough pressure to make sure they aren't raising domesticated humanoid pets. If your in-laws enable it then there's not much you can do.

I don't want to powerlevel too much, so I'll say his age is probably what you're thinking. Otherwise you've pretty much hit the nail on the head, especially with regards to his "directionless depression" and staying in his room all day. He needs a fucking job. He's too old for his parents to parent him.

I'm considering offering his mum and dad some respite at least, and inviting my brother-in-law to stay with us for a week, just to break the monotony of his life. But he'll probably say no, because what value there would be in taking a break won't outweigh his computer and having internet access. Short-term thinking and all that. At very least I can talk to his mum. Might even make some headway.

Thanks for the perspective.

 

[neverendingmidi]

No friends/relatives who are troons, but there's one who works at the state liquor store that's on my way home. It's fucking hilarious. this gawky, scrawny guy who's around 5'9" lisping in a forced falsetto and terribly groomed hair. He picked some overtly feminine name like Angelica or something. I have to bite my lip to keep from laughing whenever he's there and I have to check out with him. Tbf, it's near-ish a college town. Once I saw people outside the store pointing and laughing at him.

Creepiest I encountered was a lanky as fuck 6'6"+ guy in a cheerleader outfit at DragonCon asking me for directions. It was just so weird, honestly given the sheer weirdness involved with the con, it was the bizarre falsetto that clued me in that he thought he passed. If he'd talked in his normal voice I would've just passed it off as con weirdness, but the falsetto turned it into troon creepiness.

 

[The Line]

Received an email the other day that was sent to my entire extended family. It was an announcement that one of my younger male relatives now wishes to be referred to as a "girl". He decided he wanted to transition 4 months into his first year of university and is already on the mtf hormonal regime.
This is startling to me, as I have never had someone related to me declare themselves troon.
Said relative is nerdy and pursuing a degree along the lines of computer science; nothing too unusual for a TiM, but never was so autistic that I ever suspected trannyism.
I am angry at this family member. My entire extended family, many being older adults who have never used social media, are now being exposed to his degenerate LARP. My own mother and grandmother are distressed and confused.

I dread the close day that one of my elderly family members dies and we both attend the funeral. The thought of trying to mourn a lost one with this fucker strutting around in the background, in a skirt and living out his pornsick fantasy, at my own grandfather's fucking funeral, disturbs me so badly, and I'm trying to manage.

 

[Vril-Dame vom Aldebaran]

Was friends with a guy who got groomed into troondom in his early 20s. He was a decent guy, had some good humor and was open to pretty much any topic of discussion. We mostly talked about gaming, but also politics sometimes. Used to be a libertarian anti-SJW. But then he went into lefty spaces and wanted to know what makes them tick.

They slowly groomed him to become a lefty himself, and then pushed trannyism on him. He had some issues that are typical of a young man with little confidence and a lack of a proper father figure in his life. Sometimes he told me about how he's lonely and tfw no gf. I told him to cut out the whining, because no woman is going to find that attractive. Work out, get a job, fix yourself. Women like men who are in control of themselves.

My advice was too much effort for him, though. He was depressed, and that made him lazy because low motivation, and he wanted easy solutions. Well... the groomer brigade offered an easy solution. The problem is that you don't feel comfortable in the role of a man, they said. Become the cute anime waifu you want to fuck, and all will be fine!

One day he announced that he wants to be called by a female name now. He got more and more involved in the lefty community, and even adopted their more radical takes. I'm pretty far to the right myself, and his new friends really didn't like that he occasionally hung with a right winger, even though we rarely talked politics at all.

At first he defended his friendship with me, but at some point they got through to him and said he can no longer be friends with "a bigoted cunt", and completely cut all contact.

It's really sad, because he was a decent guy before the groomers got to him. I don't know if he ever actually transitioned. I don't really want to know.

We weren't that close, but I still considered him a friend. Didn't ever see him again after he cut me off, because I don't visit the kinds of spaces he hangs out in now.

Groomers are fucking disgusting.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Work out

I wonder if these people were reminded that you don't have to be stacked like Danny Lee or Billy Herrington to be fit and "good looking". Well, it probably is still too much for them to work for because working out is hard.
太宰ウェンツ (Adam Logan) is a good example of that.

Spoiler: NSFW twig arms

Thomas Papillon

 

[Vril-Dame vom Aldebaran]

Yeah, my advice amounted to "get some exercise" because sitting alone in your den all day brooding over how lonely you are isn't going to help. Exercise also helps in getting rid of depression, but his depression made him lack the motivation to get started.

The solution offered by the troon brigade is so much easier. Blame everything on your gender, take hormones, boom! you're fixed. It's a complete lie, but people who are mentally in a bad place fall for it because the thought of fixing all your problems with a miracle cure appeals to them.

Sometimes I wonder if I could have done anything to keep him away from that crowd and prevent the grooming before it happened.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

So a slight update on the cat-obsessed tranny that named herself after Barry Allen and justified zoophilia...

Spoiler: Tranny Allen

She has gotten way fatter and incredibly broke. As it turns out, not only is she a severely mentally ill tranny, but she also got a bad case of consumerism, meaning she wastes all of her money on merchandise midway through the month so she calls out various people and asks them for money, including me. Or she tries to pawn her mountains of crap off to me for a price so she can afford food.

I ended up blocking and deleting her number when she couldn't accept that no, I got bills to pay and I won't buy her food because she needs to add to her junk.

(I also won't fucking play Metro Exodus with her but that's a rant for another day)

Because of her name, she has gotten a low-key addiction to buying fucking everything related to Barry Allen, including comics, she won't ever read. She just likes to have the "name" around.

Of course, she ended up buying more shit, usually tranny flag stuff, anime junk, plushies (gallon-sized trashbags of them), 700 DVDs, video games, and premium cat food.

She also got clearing for chopping her tits off but because she got fatter (living on a diet of soda, tobacco, and cake), fat (hah) fucking chance for that. This seems to make her even more depressed, causing her to buy more shit to fill the hole in her heart. She also got severely depressed over Roe v Wade despite her stating that she doesn't want or like children. And well, she believes, she's a man.

Being a tranny really is just a slippery slope of mental illness but I guess that went without saying, considering the 41%...

At least the cat is taken care of

Edit: She fucking did it. She got the Flash symbol tattooed on her shoulder.

Jesus fuck....it's a good thing Barry Allen is a fictional character and not a real person. Still...rather pathetic

Hilariously, I found out that not even her family buys into the tranny shit, often using "she/her" when she's not around.,

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Posted this in the tranny social media thread but my boss confided to me that she wants to transition into a man. Like I've had my suspicions for a long time because she's got the Ellen Page type stick thin build and will presumably look exactly the same as a 'man' but with a bit of extra muscle and more ill fitting suits, but it's still making me sad because there's literally nothing at all that she could do extra as a man that she cannot do right now. She already dresses like a dude with her tomboy appearence, she already works out (not enough to pack on muscle but enough for functional strength) and she's already into women so other than getting a disgusting cock sausage that isn't functional I don't get why she'd want to do this at all.

Like she's already really fun on nights out and I love her to bits as a friend in the sense that other than the tranny shit, she's absolutely fantastic to be around... but I know for a fact once she starts taking the injections she'll start becoming emotionally unstable and start lashing out over the smallest things and become a total liability.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

my boss confided to me that she wants to transition into a man

Start looking for a new job in case when you get fired from one of those mood binges.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

Like she's already really fun on nights out and I love her to bits as a friend in the sense that other than the tranny shit, she's absolutely fantastic to be around... but I know for a fact once she starts taking the injections she'll start becoming emotionally unstable and start lashing out over the smallest things and become a total liability.

You can point out to her that she can either accept and love herself as a masculine woman who fits none of the associated stereotypes and just does whatever anyways, or she can forever chase after something quite literally impossible and double down on every single possible delusion to somehow justify a sunken-cost fallacy about whatever she scapegoated her own miseries as, because if she was genuinely gender dysphoric the chances that she could hold down a job and indeed rise to management are pretty slim-to-none given the truly debilitating illness that thing is. Achieve something, move on to the next thing - or forever chase the unachievable.

Of course, yes, you point this out after you've entered into the parachute two weeks of waiting to move over to a new job