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The overturning of the Roe v. Wade ruling has one driver questioning HOV lane laws requiring two passengers in a car.​

By Dave Lieber
12:51 PM on Jul 8, 2022 CDT


In economics, they call it the law of unintended consequences.

An event ultimately produces an outcome, sometimes negative, that was not expected.

That’s what is happening to Brandy Bottone of Plano, a mother who is 34 weeks into her pregnancy.

On June 29 she was driving on U.S. Highway 75 South and headed to the Interstate 635 West interchange. But she had to slam on the brakes because ... well, I’ll let her tell the story:

“I was driving to pick up my son. I knew I couldn’t be a minute late, so I took the HOV [high-occupancy vehicle] lane. As I exited the HOV, there was a checkpoint at the end of the exit. I slammed on my brakes, and I was pulled over by police.

“An officer peeked in and asked, ‘Is there anybody else in the car?’

“I said, ‘Well, yes.’

“He asked, ‘Where?’

“I pointed to my stomach and said, ‘My baby girl is right here. She is a person.’

“He said, ‘Oh, no. It’s got to be two people outside of the body.’

“One officer kind of brushed me off when I mentioned this is a living child, according to everything that’s going on with the overturning of Roe v. Wade. ‘So I don’t know why you’re not seeing that,’ I said.
“He was like, ‘I don’t want to deal with this.’ He said, ‘Ma’am, it means two persons outside of the body.’

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Brandy Bottone is preparing to contest an HOV lane violation based on her pregnancy status. She says she believes that under the new Texas abortion law, her fetus should count as a second passenger.(Jason Janik / Special Contributor)
“He waved me on to the next cop who gave me a citation and said, ‘If you fight it, it will most likely get dropped.’

“But they still gave me a ticket. So my $215 ticket was written to cause inconvenience?

“This has my blood boiling. How could this be fair? According to the new law, this is a life.

“I know this may fall on deaf ears, but as a woman, this was shocking.”

This was a Dallas County Sheriff Department’s operation. Representative Raul Reyna told me that it’s not technically a checkpoint because not every driver is stopped. The only vehicles that are stopped are ones where officers can visually see traveling with only one occupant. HOV rules require two passengers.

This particular stop took place where the HOV lane ends at U.S. 75 South near Midpark Road, Reyna said.

The sheriff’s department conducts HOV enforcement on U.S. 75 and also on Interstate 30 under contract with the Texas Department of Transportation.

These checks occur randomly, Reyna said.

The sheriff’s department declined to comment on Bottone’s pregnancy argument.

She says she doesn’t believe the state should have it both ways. If a fetus is considered a life before birth, then why doesn’t that count as a second passenger?
In Texas, can a fetus be considered a second passenger in HOV lanes?
Brandy Bottone took this photo while waiting in line for Dallas County sheriff's deputies to check for drivers violating the two-passenger rule of an HOV lane.(Brandy Bottone)
I asked Amy O’Donnell, spokeswoman for Texas Alliance for Life, an anti-abortion group, what she thought of this unusual situation.

She replied, “While the penal code in Texas recognizes an unborn child as a person in our state, the Texas Transportation Code does not specify the same. And a child residing in a mother’s womb is not taking up an extra seat. And with only one occupant taking up a seat, the car did not meet the criteria needed to drive in that lane.”
I also explained the story to Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas, but through a representative, the group declined to comment.

Bottone’s court date is July 20.

“I will be fighting it,” she says.
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Woman, if your unborn child is a human for occupancy purposes, you're going to have to buy an extra airline ticket. You might not care if you never fly, but also your baby wasn't wearing a seat belt. So, either you get ticketed for not having any passengers, or you get ticketed for allowing your child to ride without a seat belt. Now spread them legs so the officer can secure your baby's seat belt for you because you sure can't be trusted to do it yourself.
 
Woman, if your unborn child is a human for occupancy purposes, you're going to have to buy an extra airline ticket.
Somehow I get the feeling that if this woman was flying and they asked her to buy her unborn baby a ticket, she'd be fighting that just as hard but using the exact opposite reasoning that she's using here.
 
Come to think of it, what was the Texas abortion limit pre-RvW-repeal? She's 34 weeks pregnant already, was she really going to abort the baby but just got slammed by them suddenly being unavailable now? This doesn't even make sense for her to be doing a passive aggressive backlash against suddenly needing to keep the child.
 
She's right. You can't have it both ways. Either a baby is a person with rights, and therefore an occupant in the car, or it's not a person. I hope she wins in court.

"You're right, lady. Now, please, pay the airline the required plane ticket for your child."

"wait, what? No, wait--- I didn't---!"

Ah, a woman moment.
 
Who can use the HOV lane?
A vehicle occupied by two or more people or a motorcyclist may use HOV lanes.
They don’t even count motorcyclists as people. They definitely won’t count fetuses.

“He waved me on to the next cop who gave me a citation and said, ‘If you fight it, it will most likely get dropped.’
“But they still gave me a ticket. So my $215 ticket was written to cause inconvenience?

“This has my blood boiling. How could this be fair? According to the new law, this is a life.
No lady, your ticket was written because you broke the law. The cop’s job is not to decide if you should get an exception. That’s the judge’s job. Hence why he said you could fight it.

and he’s right, the judge will probably decide it’s too much of a pain to deal with you and let you off. Or you may prove how much of an asshole you are and get charged with contempt. Probably no middle ground.
 
How is the law written? Does it say that children under a certain age do not count? Or do children as young as 1 day count as a passenger? If the later, I agree with her. If it’s the first part, then obviously the law still applies
 
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So, he should have written up a ticket because you had two people in the driver's seat, and that second person was also a baby.
She's right. You can't have it both ways. Either a baby is a person with rights, and therefore an occupant in the car, or it's not a person. I hope she wins in court.
She doesn't know what Roe was.

Seriously, how can everyone be so agitated about something that's both easy to research and understand but that they nonetheless know close to nothing about?
 
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How is the law written? Does it say that children under a certain age do not count? Or do children as young as 1 day count as a passenger? If the later, I agree with her. If it’s the first part, then obviously the law still applies
"High occupancy vehicle" means a bus or other motorized passenger vehicle such as a carpool or vanpool vehicle used for ridesharing purposes and occupied by a specified minimum number of persons.

It's pretty vague. She could probably win this case.
 
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The lady is wrong. If she had her newborn in a carrier things would have been cool.
 
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