The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[soy_king]

Hey look you just revised the holocaust!

I'm sorry, are the liquidation of the ghettos not real? Are all those photos and eyewitness testimony just fabrications?

 

[History Speaks]

I see you lurked for over a year just to shill your YouTube channel and repeat mainstream talking points.

Have a look at some of these images

Image 1) Points out the contradictions in claimed death counts at Auschwitz, as well as demonstrating the flawed basis for those claims
Image 2) points out many logical issues with the Holocaust narrative
Image 3) All camps were initally claimed to be death camps. However, image demonstrates that all camps inspected by the U.S. were proven to be labor camps and not death camps.
Image 4) is the official death toll by the count of the Red Cross
Image 5) is an explanation of why Cyanide was present at camps (delosuing clothes and bedding) and why it would have been impractical to use it as a means of mass murder.

1) From the advent of Holocaust studies, with the publication of Raul Hilberg (1961), the vast majority of historians have estimated about 1.1 million Jewish deaths in Auschwitz. The 4 million soviet propaganda figure was debunked as early as Reitlinger (1953).

2) All lazy copypasta nonsense. Make your own analytical arguments rather than posting a meme. If you think someone else made a good argument paraphrase it.

3) This is not true as the western allies found a gas chamber and gassed cadavers in Natzweiler-Struthof. Dachau and Buchenwald may not have had gas chambers, but inmates were certainly exterminated through labor and medical experiments. (By the way, the fact that historians and war crimes trials debunked claims of gassing at Dachau and Buchenwald should show you these processes were not frauds.)

4) The document you posted is a fake, mistranslated from an original German document that is not from the Red Cross. The original document comes from a division of the postwar German government called the Special Registry Office, (Note that in the bottom right corner of your fake document appears the word Sonderstandesamt Arolsen, which is the name of the German government agency responsible for issuing death certificates.) See https://archive.ph/pH5q1#selection-3965.62-3965.87

The real document does not refer to "total deaths" in the camps (as your fake English version says), but "certified deaths", i.e. deaths of registered prisoners. At Auschwitz, only Jews selected for work were registered, while the vast majority of Jews were killed right away. At the pure death camps, Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec, almost no Jews were registered, but were simply killed right away, which may be why these camps are not included on the list.

In another document from the same agency listing the same figures, the agency states "The certification figures of the Special Registry Office do not allow any conclusions about the real numbers of dead in the concentration camps to be drawn." (Translation mine, document via holocaust controversies).

5) Nonsense copypasta that does not explain why the demolished ruins of the gas chambers have much greater average deposits of cyanide than other buildings in the camps (excluding delousing chambers)

 

[Bonesjones]

I'm sorry, are the liquidation of the ghettos not real? Are all those photos and eyewitness testimony just fabrications?

You just said the vast majority wasn't gassed to death. That's literal holocaust denial.

It depends on what you mean by fabrication. Are the Nazis evil for putting people into camps where unrelenting bombing runs on supply lines leading to mass starvation and disease? Kind of a hard sell to me.

 

[Bonesjones]

1) From the advent of Holocaust studies, with the publication of Raul Hilberg (1961), the vast majority of historians have estimated about 1.1 million Jewish deaths in Auschwitz. The 4 million soviet propaganda figure was debunked as early as Reitlinger (1953).

2) All lazy copypasta nonsense. Make your own analytical arguments rather than posting a meme. If you think someone else made a good argument paraphrase it.

3) This is not true as the western allies found a gas chamber and gassed cadavers in Natzweiler-Struthof. Dachau and Buchenwald may not have had gas chambers, but inmates were certainly exterminated through labor and medical experiments. (By the way, the fact that historians and war crimes trials debunked claims of gassing at Dachau and Buchenwald should show you these processes were not frauds.)

4) The document you posted is a fake, mistranslated from an original German document that is not from the Red Cross. The original document comes from a division of the postwar German government called the Special Registry Office, (Note that in the bottom right corner of your fake document appears the word Sonderstandesamt Arolsen, which is the name of the German government agency responsible for issuing death certificates.) See https://archive.ph/pH5q1#selection-3965.62-3965.87

The real document does not refer to "total deaths" in the camps (as your fake English version says), but "certified deaths", i.e. deaths of registered prisoners. At Auschwitz, only Jews selected for work were registered, while the vast majority of Jews were killed right away. At the pure death camps, Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec, almost no Jews were registered, but were simply killed right away, which may be why these camps are not included on the list.

In another document from the same agency listing the same figures, the agency states "The certification figures of the Special Registry Office do not allow any conclusions about the real numbers of dead in the concentration camps to be drawn." (Translation mine, document via holocaust controversies).

5) Nonsense copypasta that does not explain why the demolished ruins of the gas chambers have much greater average deposits of cyanide than other buildings in the camps (excluding delousing chambers)

Hey look its another Chugger! If you just pretend everything you don't want to answer is nonsense and forged you don't have to answer any question you don't want. Unfortunately all you have to do is look at Holocaust princess Anne Franke and what happened to the members of her family. Instead of being instantly killed on arrival she died of typhus in a hospital instead. Whoops there goes your entire narrative.

 

[History Speaks]

The Nazis also deliberately starved to death millions of Soviet POWs, long before Germany was being bombed. They razed Warsaw pointlessly out of spite in late 1944.

These were savages who not only exterminated the Jews of Europe, but also committed genocide against gentile Europeans (Poles and Russians).

 

[History Speaks]

It is an obvious forgery, because the original document exists in the German archives, and because the fake English document (probably put together by a Burger denier who speaks only English) forgot to remove the German name of the German government agency that published the original version.

 

[Bonesjones]

The Nazis also deliberately starved to death millions of Soviet POWs, long before Germany was being bombed. They razed Warsaw pointlessly out of spite in late 1944.

These were savages who not only exterminated the Jews of Europe, but also committed genocide against gentile Europeans (Poles and Russians).

Yeah I can't believe all those Poles the Nazis killed in the Katyn massacre. Good thing those Soviets put a stop to it.

 

[soy_king]

You just said the vast majority wasn't gassed to death. That's literal holocaust denial.

every time I come here I'm reminded how many people in this thread are literal autists. As to your statement, literally no one has ever said the majority of fatalities were due to gas chambers. the death camps are supposed to account for a large number of deaths, but never the majority.

It depends on what you mean by fabrication. Are the Nazis evil for putting people into camps where unrelenting bombing runs on supply lines leading to mass starvation and disease? Kind of a hard sell to me.

yeah, the allies didn't focus on bombing the camps, sorry. Even the bombing of rail lines was fairly rare, given how difficult it would be to hit a track from 30,000 feet.

I mean, the Nazis were objectively evil. you don't even need to rely on their treatment of Jews as proof. just look at how they treat non Jewish civilian populations that they viewed as inferior, like the literal enslavement of Slavic peoples under Organization Todt or the retaliatory massacres against civilians for the actions of local resistance units. Like you can't say that people who were totally cool with slaughtering over a thousand Czech civilians in retaliation for Heydrichs assassination or actively promoted monsters like Klaus Barbie were good people.

 

[History Speaks]

You just said the vast majority wasn't gassed to death. That's literal holocaust denial.

It depends on what you mean by fabrication. Are the Nazis evil for putting people into camps where unrelenting bombing runs on supply lines leading to mass starvation and disease? Kind of a hard sell to me.

Hans Frank wrote in his diary in August 1942 (see attached), long before the Allied bombing campaign laid waste to German infrastructure, that he was condemning 1.2 million Polish Jews to death by starvation. The Polish Jews in the Nazi ghettos were allocated 180 calories a day by the Nazis, an obvious starvation diet, and hundreds of thousands succumbed to starvation and disease. However, they were not starving at the rates Frank anticipated, because many Jews got far more food on the black market. This led to an intensifying of the deportations to the death camps, as Frank had predicted.

 

[History Speaks]

My god these people are thick. So the Katyn massacre means the Nazis did not raze Warsaw or ethnically cleanse Poles? .Two nations can be bad at once.

 

[Bonesjones]

every time I come here I'm reminded how many people in this thread are literal autists. As to your statement, literally no one has ever said the majority of fatalities were due to gas chambers. the death camps are supposed to account for a large number of deaths, but never the majority.

yeah, the allies didn't focus on bombing the camps, sorry. Even the bombing of rail lines was fairly rare, given how difficult it would be to hit a track from 30,000 feet.

I mean, the Nazis were objectively evil. you don't even need to rely on their treatment of Jews as proof. just look at how they treat non Jewish civilian populations that they viewed as inferior, like the literal enslavement of Slavic peoples under Organization Todt or the retaliatory massacres against civilians for the actions of local resistance units. Like you can't say that people who were totally cool with slaughtering over a thousand Czech civilians in retaliation for Heydrichs assassination or actively promoted monsters like Klaus Barbie were good people.

I'm reminded how much of a literal word twisting liar you are, since you directly quote me and then lie about what I said.

My god these people are thick. So the Katyn massacre means the Nazis did not raze Warsaw or ethnically cleanse Poles? .Two nations can be bad at once.

Lmao you really are a total faggot.

 

[soy_king]

My god these people are thick. So the Katyn massacre means the Nazis did not raze Warsaw or ethnically cleanse Poles? .Two nations can be bad at once.

Katyn and the Nazi atrocities are also indicative of different genocidal Mos. the Nazis focused on wholesale ethnic cleansing, while the Soviets focused on murdering intellectuals and leadership in occupied countries who could pose a threat to their occupation.

 

[Bonesjones]

Hans Frank wrote in his diary in August 1942 (see attached), long before the Allied bombing campaign laid waste to German infrastructure, that he was condemning 1.2 million Polish Jews to death by starvation. The Polish Jews in the Nazi ghettos were allocated 180 calories a day by the Nazis, an obvious starvation diet, and hundreds of thousands succumbed to starvation and disease. However, they were not starving at the rates Frank anticipated, because many Jews got far more food on the black market. This led to an intensifying of the deportations to the death camps, as Frank had predicted.

Cool so what happened to the family members in the death camps? Come on you can do it. Just post written historical record.

 

[History Speaks]

This is what neo nazis are apologists for. The internment and murder of pic related gentile Polish girl in Auschwitz. Because (as an ethnic Pole) she was deemed subhuman under the cracked Nazi racial theory.

By the way she was interred in Auschwitz as part of the ethnic cleansing of Zamosc, a traditionally Polish community that had never been part of East Prussia or Germany. She and other Polish "Untermenschen" were ethnically cleansed to make room for German "settlers."

If they cared about white people they would care about her and despise her spergy murderers. But what they really care about is Nazi LARPing, not European suffering and death.

 

[soy_king]

I'm reminded how much of a literal word twisting liar you are, since you directly quote me and then lie about what I said.

And what did I lie about?

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Look I am happy to say I don’t know definitively that it happened. Sure typhoid was a thing and sure supply lines were cut but also Hitler hated the Jews and historically ‘just expelling them‘ didn’t work apparently especially in an increasingly global society. So he had to find some way to cut off their influence once and for all.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I am doing a series discrediting Holocaust denial

Nothing fascinates and interests me more than people's motivation.

Imagine your motivation is to discredit something. Not to seek, find or spread truth, not to educate, not to expose deception. But literally just to bring into ill-repute as a goal. Might as well call your channel "defamation speaks" at that point.

Also had to laugh at the dictionary definition. "To harm the good reputation of x", lol. The good reputation of holocaust revisionists and deniers and skeptics.

 

[Bonesjones]

And what did I lie about?

Figure it out Rabbi, you are the expert at twisting words. I'm not going to stop you from being an idiot.

 

[History Speaks]

It does enjoy a good reputation in the community I am trying to reach, i.e. alienated young men who, instead of doing something productive with their legitimate gripes about society, have fallen into defending a spergy and self-destructive ideology of Nazi LARPing. If I demonstrate to a few of them how dumb Holocaust denial is, I will have done a very good thing.

 

[Chugger]

Nothing fascinates and interests me more than people's motivation.

Imagine your motivation is to discredit something. Not to seek, find or spread truth, not to educate, not to expose deception. But literally just to bring into ill-repute as a goal. Might as well call your channel "defamation speaks" at that point.

Also had to laugh at the dictionary definition. "To harm the good reputation of x", lol. The good reputation of holocaust revisionists and deniers and skeptics.

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lol your grammar policing might be lamer than your holocaust denial . this is kiwifarms bro