The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

We have evidence of the Germans marching people out of concentration camps, why would they do that if there was no intention of resettlement?

They were slave labor bro.

you insist that the Soviets would keep and offer up exonerating evidence for Nazi crimes. Why do you have this stupid expectation?

Because they didn't give a shit about no Jews and it's virtually impossible to cover up resettlement of millions for reasons I just stated, really just a few of many many reasons

This entire plan also hinged on their enemies in the west brutally torturing Nazis into admitting the Holocaust story, nor finding any evidence of resettlement, or even anyone there speaking up about it. It also hinged on the West German government secretly torturing their own innocent citizens 20 years later into admitting the same thing. Also this plan hinged on the millions of resettled Jews never talking about what had actually happened to them, or getting in touch with relatives (living under assumed names in Israel?).

 

[Lemmingwise]

As for triple posting, it is pretty based if you end up getting replies to all three of them.

I guess we all just learned it takes more than a year of lurking to soak up forum culture.

 

[Bonesjones]

They were slave labor bro.

Because they didn't give a shit about no Jews and it's virtually impossible to cover up resettlement of millions for reasons I just stated, really just a few of many many reasons

So you agree that the Soviets paid them no special attention and thus wouldn't care what they did? That only supports what I'm saying. You frequently do this.

They didn't have to hide the deaths of millions, they didn't have to do anything but dredge up a few thousand corpses, forge some documents and let the record show how evil these Nazis were!

The Soviets were concurrently responsible for the deaths of estimated 60 million people, it would be easy for them to absorb and let die jews post war with little to show otherwise.

There is no record to show what happened and there are zero bodies, the only logical explanation is that they went into resettlement camps Allied or otherwise and then immigrated with the rest of the displaced population. Until you can prove with physical evidence that they were killed, then you have nothing.

 

[Chugger]

So you agree that the Soviets paid them no special attention and thus wouldn't care what they did? That only supports what I'm saying.

Yeah, but look, I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. Still it seems like for the first time you're trying to engage, so I'll offer you this olive branch and invite you down a path of more serious inquiry

Let's go through this a little slower:

Deniers are pretty much in agreement that millions of Jews were evacuated east and resettled in [places unknown, no records exist, but somewhere in USSR] . this would be "the non-employable" Jews mentioned so frequently in German documents

safe assumption that they were kept in German operated resettlement camps? or what, they were set free?

 

[History Speaks]

The biggest embarrassment for deniers is the inability to provide a compelling explanation for how millions of Jewish vanished in the Nazi camp system (at least 3.3 million Jews were deported to camps, and only at most 300,000 were found alive in the camps at the end of the war, so you have 3,000,000 Jews disappearing in Nazi custody).

The resettlement thesis propounded by most deniers, as a way of escaping the disappeared Jews problem, is self humiliating.

If a settlement of millions of Jews (a country, really, with a population greater than contemporary Estonia) existed in the 1940s we would have some evidence of it. Yet there is no trace of physical infrastructure (ruins of homes, apartment buildings, stores, etc) communications (radio transmissions, letters home from resettled Jews to mommy), documentary evidence (e.g. German documents referring to this nation of millions of resettled Jews), economic activity, or testimony corroborating the existence of this Jewish atlantis the deniers claim existed.

Another problem for the resettlement thesis is that the Nazis never occupied Asian Russia (the North Caucasus are in Eastern Europe), and would have never resettled Jews in Europe. This would have contradicted their longstanding policy of removing the Jews from Europe.

 

[History Speaks]

By the way I am going to have to inb4 the mouth breather who would have triumphantly declared "3 million is not six milion." At least 2 million Jewish victims were killed outside the German camp system (by the Einsatzgruppen, or the Romanians, or the Croats, or by deliberate maltreatment (being starved, worked to death, etc) in the ghettos Germans stuffed them into).

 

[JohnDoe]

But if a settlement of 1.7 million Jews (a country, really, with a population greater than contemporary Estonia) existed in the 1940s we would have some evidence of it. Yet there is no trace of infrastructure, communications, documentary evidence, economic evidence, or testimony corroborating the existence of this Jewish atlantis the deniers claim existed.

You'd think 6 million Jew-corpses would leave some evidence, like a mountain of skulls or whatever, instead of just magically disappearing. I guess those dang Nazis were just so efficient and smart that they developed a way to vanish corpses forever and communicated that method to every single commander while simultaneously leaving no documentation of their technique. Diabolical!

Edit: Stop double and triple posting, fag.

 

[History Speaks]

You'd think 6 million Jew-corpses would leave some evidence, like a mountain of skulls or whatever, instead of just magically disappearing. I guess those dang Nazis were just so efficient and smart that they developed a way to vanish corpses forever and communicated that method to every single commander while simultaneously leaving no documentation of their technique. Diabolical!

Edit: Stop double and triple posting, fag.

There are numerous mass graves and bodies that have been found. You are just too drunk on memes to recognize this.

One point about mass graves is that they are often very difficult to find, since perpetrators build over them. Nevertheless, numerous Holocaust mass graves were found upon liberation and continue to be found. Old mass graves are often found by construction workers.

In terms of recent discoveries of Holocaust mass graves, many of these findings are not mentioned in the English press, but in the Belarusian, Russian, or Baltic press, because they are found mainly in Russia and Belarus or the Baltic states. But a 2019 finding of a Holocaust mass grave in Belarus was widely reported on https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/7257...re-buried-in-belarus-after-mass-grave-discove

By the way, the difficulty of finding mass graves is not unique to the Holocaust. Mass graves from the crimes of Stalin and from battles on the Eastern front in WWII are also still being found all the time. In Latvia, there are a dozen organizations looking for mass graves of Red Army soldiers, and they are finding new graves all the time. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/05/17/we-won-t-finish-this-work-in-my-lifetime

 

[History Speaks]

The reason I know that you all are motivated by bias (Nazi LARPing), not "muh physical evidence," is that what you refer to as evidentiary problems in the context of the Holocaust ("not enough" mass graves have been found) are also true of other historical events, such as the Holodomor and World War II itself on the Eastern front, in which you believe. So obviously it is not a concern about "physical evidence" that is motivating you all.

If you were seriously and consistently adhering to your stated standard of physical evidence (rather than using it as an excuse for Nazi LARPing), you would also deny that the Holodomor and World War II on the Eastern Front happened.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

you insist that the Soviets would keep and offer up exonerating evidence for Nazi crimes. Why do you have this stupid expectation?

I'm sure have all heard of the Katyn Massacre, right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre#:~:text=The%20Katyn%20massacre%20was%20a,in%20April%20and%20May%201940.

Entry level stuff.

At the trials in 1946, Soviet General Roman Rudenko raised the indictment, stating "one of the most important criminal acts for which the major war criminals are responsible was the mass execution of Polish prisoners of war shot in the Katyn forest near Smolensk by the German fascist invaders",[74] but failed to make the case and the U.S. and British judges dismissed the charges.[75]

Imagine, of all the crazy shit said in that trial that didn't get thrown out. Imagine having something thrown out in that kangaroo court.

 

[JohnDoe]

There are numerous mass graves and bodies that have been found. You are just too drunk on memes to recognize this.

One point about mass graves is that they are often very difficult to find, since perpetrators build over them. Nevertheless, numerous Holocaust mass graves were found upon liberation and continue to be found. Old mass graves are often found by construction workers.

Which are they? Are they able to be located, in which case you should be able to both forensically link the 'mass graves' to some kind of genocide plan and further account for most (if not all) the six gorillion or the mass graves are the Jewish version of the Invisible Teapot, impossible to locate and prove but at the same time inexplicitly unassailable 'proof'.

In terms of recent discoveries of Holocaust mass graves, many of these findings are not mentioned in the English press, but in the Belarusian, Russian, or Baltic press, because they are found mainly in Russia and Belarus or the Baltic states. But a 2019 finding of a Holocaust mass grave in Belarus was widely reported on https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/7257...re-buried-in-belarus-after-mass-grave-discove

Like how the Soviets 'found' the graves in the Katyn Forest and then 'found' evidence to implicate the Germans? Please.

By the way, the difficulty of finding mass graves is not unique to the Holocaust. Mass graves from the crimes of Stalin and from WWII are also still being found all the time. In Latvia, there are a dozen organizations looking for mass graves of Red Army soldiers, and they are finding new graves all the time. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/05/17/we-won-t-finish-this-work-in-my-lifetime

If you have them, present them.

Also, use the edit button and stop doubleposting, Rabbi.

 

[PickaTopTier]

One point about mass graves is that they are often very difficult to find

Mass graves from the crimes of Stalin and from battles on the Eastern front in WWII are also still being found all the time. In Latvia, there are a dozen organizations looking for mass graves of Red Army soldiers, and they are finding new graves all the time.

So mass graves are difficult to find if the Germans did it, but found all the time when Stalin did it? Also this tactic of "you kids and your memes" shit is weak as fuck.

EDIT: johndoe beat me to the post. ggs.

 

[History Speaks]

I'm sure have all heard of the Katyn Massacre, right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre#:~:text=The%20Katyn%20massacre%20was%20a,in%20April%20and%20May%201940.

Entry level stuff.



Imagine, of all the crazy shit said in that trial that didn't get thrown out. Imagine having something thrown out in that kangaroo court.

No German was convicted or punished at Nuremberg for the Katyn massacre. The Soviet prosecutors did allege the Nazis did this in court. But the fact that, in the end, the Western judges rejected the charge that the Nazis did this shows that the Western judges at Nuremberg were not merely intent on "framing" the Nazis (lol).

However, the Western Allies did investigate allegations of extermination in the camps, and found documentary evidence of Nazi exterminations by gassing, in Auschwitz, the Reinhardt camps, as well as Natzweiler-Struthof.

In addition, after the main Nuremberg trial, many Holocaust trials were conducted by the Americans alone, without the Soviets, including the Einsatzgruppen trials and the Doctors' trial.

 

[History Speaks]

So mass graves are difficult to find if the Germans did it, but found all the time when Stalin did it? Also this tactic of "you kids and your memes" shit is weak as fuck.

EDIT: johndoe beat me to the post. ggs.

If they were easy to find they would have been found a long time ago, particularly under Khrushchev's regime (1953-1964) which sought to publicize the crimes of Stalin. Yet numerous Stalinist (and World War II) mass graves still have not been found 80 to 85 years after the fact. There are as one of my sources mentioned numerous organizations that actively look for these mass graves, and eventually find them.

If you had more to offer than memes, i.e. if a significant number of you spoke German and read books about history, I would be able to address you in a different tone. For now you are to be spoken to as meme-addled children.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

However, the Western Allies did investigate allegations of extermination in the camps, and found documentary evidence of Nazi exterminations by gassing

Buddy, it's not very nice to call those lice Jewish.

 

[History Speaks]

Buddy, it's not very nice to call those lice Jewish.

When you "revisionists" speak, you sound like the quacking of ducks, no creativity or ability to think for yourselves, just quack-quacking dead memes ke "whatcha doin rabbi" and quack-quacking dishonest Holocaust denial claims that originate from boomer VHS conspiracy theories.

By the way I see you were not manly enough to admit that, because you read image boards and not books, you made a mistake - though the Soviets alleged in court that the Nazis did Katyn, the Katyn Allegations WERE thrown out by the Western Allied judges, who refused to convict any Nazi defendants for them.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

you made a mistake - though the Soviets alleged in court that the Nazis did Katyn, the Katyn Allegations WERE thrown out by the Western Allied judges, who refused to convict any Nazi defendants for them.

Read my post again you dumb cracker. I did say that. In fact I literally quoted the section of Wikipedia that says that. You really are one dumb honky. Stupid mayo ass uneducated cracker. Try reading a comment before replying. You'll look less stupid then.

 

[History Speaks]

Read my post again you dumb cracker. I did say that.

"Imagine, of all the crazy shit said in that trial that didn't get thrown out." "That" obviously refers to the Katyn massacre allegations, otherwise the quoted passage makes no grammatical sense. So you were falsely implying the Nazis were convicted of doing Katyn, when this was merely alleged and then dismissed by the Western judges during their deliberations.

 

[History Speaks]

What is funny is I am half Egyptian and your "revisionist" buddies (including the TDS guys) have made racist comments about me, yet to you I am a cracker. Goes to show you that, while human biological diversity and population diversity are certainly real, the white race is a fuzzy and (not entirely, but to a great extent) imaginary construct.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

"Imagine, of all the crazy shit said in that trial that didn't get thrown out." "That" obviously refers to the Katyn massacre allegations, otherwise the quoted passage makes no grammatical sense. So you were falsely implying the Nazis were convicted of doing Katyn, when this was merely alleged and then dismissed by the Western judges during their deliberations.

I literally quoted the wiki part that says it got thrown out.

I was saying imagine of all the stuff that didn't get thrown out, that did. If you had actually read my post properly instead of being an illiterate cracker, you would have noticed.