ChillyGengar
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Same way she prefers to take the last name of the "abuser who raped her" than her wife's... So it tracks.
Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon
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If we're being honest it is just a harmless skit, but the thing that's weird to me about it is that it's using the same joke format that Lily and Mikaila always use, that being that Mikaila is a footstool and her being affectionate or outgoing will never work.
Like anyone remember this knee-slapper?
Same energy.
ChillyGengar
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Am I the only one who thinks that first paragraph of Mikaila's response sounds extremely odd? Maybe I'm reading too much into but it's the usage of "cry for help" and "get out of a bad situation" for me. Sounds too much like someone who's trying to hide the truth by mocking it... No one said this was a cry for help, why would she even mention that?
Anyway, I don't know of anyone else who might have been concerned for her that was pushed away but I don't know any of her friends either. So I really have nothing to add here, unfortunately. Would not surprise me if she did though, considering she's drowning in the kool-aid.
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I get the vibe that Lily thinks her no-nonsense style is funny, but it comes off as controlling more than anything.
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I can't fucking believe how the shit jumped from "silly joke hahaha not funny" to "PLEASE, DON'T LEAVE ME. I'M GONNA COMMIT SUICIDE IF YOU DO THAT".
Holy shit.
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That's because we have nothing to balance it out. From a purely narrative point of view, since these are all character living on a fictional setting with other fictional characters, if at least we saw other scenes of Liliana going out of her way to still show love towards Mikaila on some other way this skit and that joke that Shifty brought up could work or at least don't stand out on such an obviously ugly way. They'd still be weird but at least we'd have other scenes to think about so it doesn't feel so uncomfortable.
Instead, even when Liliana proposes marriage on the comic or invites Mikaila to move in with her, whatever vulnerability or softness of the moment is nullified by Liliana treating Mikaila like an idiot (after writing her as such) or concentrating more on G again. To be someone who loves to say how much she loves romance and being gay, Liliana and Mikaila as a couple are written as the least romantic pair I have ever seen on any work of fiction.
It's as if someone eliminated any every scene of Marge and Homer's romantic life from The Simpsons to leave only their arguments and the times they broke up. That's what Liliana/Mikaila do and what that stupid kit just keeps adding to.
If Mikaila is okay with it and find it funny too, that's just sad.
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wasnt there a video from a stream in which lily was telling her to not make self deprecating jokes bcz it ruins her self steem and is unhealthy? guess its fine if mikhaila doesnt hate herself and leaves the hating to her wife
not to victim blame or anything but fucking hell you two asked for this. lily made an entire video about her stalkers and how they accuse her of abuse, how tf did any of the two think this skit wouldnt stir shit up???
by the way mikaila is talking, she didnt do it intentionally to troll and upset people, so i guess shes that stupid
on a side note, im PRETTY SURE there was a post saying that lily was reading kill bang love so i guess that was a fucking lie lol
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"My stalkers need to stop pretending like they know my life."
You don't even know your own life Jerry. Whatever happened to your "debilitating back injury"? Or how you totally fucked Brittany? Pfft cry me a river dude, don't be bitter just because people have your abuse tactics pegged.
You don't even know your own life Jerry. Whatever happened to your "debilitating back injury"? Or how you totally fucked Brittany? Pfft cry me a river dude, don't be bitter just because people have your abuse tactics pegged.
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Fun fact: that Amphibia crew-member that drew that 'controversial' drawing of two characters a few years back (before the age of the older character was confirmed), also worked on the development of TOH. Stay true to your word and drop TOH too then, Lily.
It is everything I thought it would be and more!
So, with the isolated stream incident is she talking about shutting Mikaila off of talking about Degrassi? Orabout Mikaila's interest in VTubing? Or Mikaila's interest in hosting a stream where the audience gets to choose what decisions she'll make? Or when she doesn't allow Mikaila to sing on stream? Or make pretend commercials for juice?
Or when Mikaila can't gush about simple harmless ships, because Lily would get mad at her?
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I'm actually going to give them the benefit of the doubt on it being a 'silly little skit'. We can talk about context and additional circumstances all day (easily) but in regards to the skit, let's not read into their relationship. After all, it's a fictional setting-- Lily doesn't actually live with a Gardevoir, or Bonnie, or even Mikaila. It's just a setup for Mikaila to discuss a comic while Bonnie provides her own cheeky commentary.
Instead, let's discuss why the joke is so terrible people are immediately jumping to this conclusion. Because it's such a terrible joke that the only conclusion is that the punchline is 'emotional neglect (??)'.
Whichever of them wrote this sketch, they can't tell a joke. They took a setup that on its own isn't really supposed to be funny ("Honey, I don't read comics") and then stitched it with a joke about the other character making an excuse to avoid an obligation and running away. The former could be written as:
L; "Honey, I don't read comics."
M: "Oh..." /sad pose
/pause for consideration
L: "But I know who dooooes~"
/cue Bonnie rising from the counter
Not a great joke, but at least it follows through. You could also have a joke about "Sorry, Mik, G and I were going to <engage in comical activity>", which still gives you a bit of a punchline while also making Lily's departure accidental.
The latter, meanwhile, is usually also fitted with a comical excuse for leaving. "I have to go... wash my hair!" says the bald character as he flees the scene. Lily isn't offering a comically obvious (or comically complex) excuse, she just says "I'm gonna go hang out with G" and then runs like she's pretending she has an obligation. Mikaila wasn't being particularly pushy and so Lily's response reads as not only petty but disproportionate, making it seem less like she's fleeing the obligation and more that she's just fleeing Mikaila, because the writer didn't understand HOW this setup is supposed to work.
This would make more sense if maybe Mikaila had gone to everybody else in the house and they were all busy with progressively sillier tasks before returning to the kitchen and then Bonnie shows up. It would require a lot more work (and more than two characters) but I'm really just spitballing for how this joke could have possibly landed.
So the only conclusion the audience can reach is that the joke is that Lily is so desperate to avoid letting Mikaila share something she enjoyed that she'd rather flee the scene to spend time with her abusive psychopath of a Pokemon-- that somehow THAT is what's innately funny here.
Instead, let's discuss why the joke is so terrible people are immediately jumping to this conclusion. Because it's such a terrible joke that the only conclusion is that the punchline is 'emotional neglect (??)'.
Whichever of them wrote this sketch, they can't tell a joke. They took a setup that on its own isn't really supposed to be funny ("Honey, I don't read comics") and then stitched it with a joke about the other character making an excuse to avoid an obligation and running away. The former could be written as:
L; "Honey, I don't read comics."
M: "Oh..." /sad pose
/pause for consideration
L: "But I know who dooooes~"
/cue Bonnie rising from the counter
Not a great joke, but at least it follows through. You could also have a joke about "Sorry, Mik, G and I were going to <engage in comical activity>", which still gives you a bit of a punchline while also making Lily's departure accidental.
The latter, meanwhile, is usually also fitted with a comical excuse for leaving. "I have to go... wash my hair!" says the bald character as he flees the scene. Lily isn't offering a comically obvious (or comically complex) excuse, she just says "I'm gonna go hang out with G" and then runs like she's pretending she has an obligation. Mikaila wasn't being particularly pushy and so Lily's response reads as not only petty but disproportionate, making it seem less like she's fleeing the obligation and more that she's just fleeing Mikaila, because the writer didn't understand HOW this setup is supposed to work.
This would make more sense if maybe Mikaila had gone to everybody else in the house and they were all busy with progressively sillier tasks before returning to the kitchen and then Bonnie shows up. It would require a lot more work (and more than two characters) but I'm really just spitballing for how this joke could have possibly landed.
So the only conclusion the audience can reach is that the joke is that Lily is so desperate to avoid letting Mikaila share something she enjoyed that she'd rather flee the scene to spend time with her abusive psychopath of a Pokemon-- that somehow THAT is what's innately funny here.
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does anybody here have a tv tropes account and can verify something for me? im pretty sure that in the pokemadhouse page there was an entry which stated that lily tried to differentiate herself from comic!lily by giving her an important haircut
when did this shift happen? when did they go from "oh comic!lily is not actually me" to "we will literally pretend that our pokemons are real"? at this point she doesnt need more therapy, she needs actual medication
but even if she isnt delusional, what is the endgame here? advertising a dead webcomic? making people aware of the rape metapgor you know people are interpreting?
when did this shift happen? when did they go from "oh comic!lily is not actually me" to "we will literally pretend that our pokemons are real"? at this point she doesnt need more therapy, she needs actual medication
but even if she isnt delusional, what is the endgame here? advertising a dead webcomic? making people aware of the rape metapgor you know people are interpreting?
ChillyGengar
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Great points. The "joke" falls flat on all levels as is.
It might feel like a little thing to some, but this kind of attitude is an actual abuse tactic used by many abusive partners and even abusive friends that has lasting consequences. It's a form of control and it can be shame-inducing. The victims will eventually feel bad about the things they like, not just because they can't enjoy them with the person/people they love but because "maybe the thing isn't actually that enjoyable and I'm just stupid for liking it".
Do you know how many "quiet" people are quiet because they were told one too many times to shut up about the stuff they like?
Can't stop thinking about how Mikaila used to think positively about Anduin a year ago to the point of shipping him with another character and now she's making videos parroting Lily's negative opinions... How many other characters and shows and cartoons were ruined for her by Lily?
Anyway, I get how this can be seen as a joke if it's done right (which it wasn't). But what's bothering me the most about all this is that this is not an isolated thing. The fact that we've seen Lily do this to Mikaila before, on camera, leads any person with a brain to the conclusion that this is part of their couple dynamics. And that is what is so concerning. Because once it starts happening often it's no longer cute or funny, it's damaging. Whether it's intentional or not, whether we're right about it or not, it doesn't feel like a joke at all. This whole comic just feels like they're picking all the red flags for abusive relationships and mocking them for shits and giggles.
If they mock them enough times they won't seem like red flags at all, just silly little things couples do. Who knows, maybe that's the whole point.
Do you know how many "quiet" people are quiet because they were told one too many times to shut up about the stuff they like?
Can't stop thinking about how Mikaila used to think positively about Anduin a year ago to the point of shipping him with another character and now she's making videos parroting Lily's negative opinions... How many other characters and shows and cartoons were ruined for her by Lily?
Anyway, I get how this can be seen as a joke if it's done right (which it wasn't). But what's bothering me the most about all this is that this is not an isolated thing. The fact that we've seen Lily do this to Mikaila before, on camera, leads any person with a brain to the conclusion that this is part of their couple dynamics. And that is what is so concerning. Because once it starts happening often it's no longer cute or funny, it's damaging. Whether it's intentional or not, whether we're right about it or not, it doesn't feel like a joke at all. This whole comic just feels like they're picking all the red flags for abusive relationships and mocking them for shits and giggles.
If they mock them enough times they won't seem like red flags at all, just silly little things couples do. Who knows, maybe that's the whole point.
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i’m just glad mikalia doesn’t live with jerry. he gives me serious physical domestic abuse vibes. might be a chick, but only a man when she needs to
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Lily really shot herself in the foot with those podcasts. Thanks Pooh for the clips
She's been reading Brit's blog
How sad. She's not interested in making new friends.
The friends she have make jokes like this with her
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I'm not saying Lily is pulling a Jussie Smollett for attention. I'm just saying who would even think of using the term (I'm assuming) Niggersona.
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Lily really shot herself in the foot with those podcasts. Thanks Pooh for the clips
She's been reading Brit's blog
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I'm not saying Lily is pulling a Jussie Smollett for attention. I'm just saying who would even think of using the term (I'm assuming) Niggersona.
if aliana is taking this long to take out the loser kylo ren, no evil sith will ever feel intimitaded by her
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I cant remember if I've ever talked about this idea of mine but fuck it, full tin foil hat time.
This has literally been consistent in every single fandom she's participated in;
She hated MLP cause it redeemed Starlight Glimmer and some other antagonists
She hated Steven Universe for redeeming more or less every antagonist in the show.
She hates Star Wars for redeeming Kylo Ren ( I could go on a whole tangent about how it's fucking annoying how she propagates this idea that people who fall into fascist beliefs can't come back from it, especially since star wars carries through with having Ben Solo die at the end regardless of his actions)
I've spent time thinking about this and I think some of this comes from the fact that Lily has done a lot of bad shit on the internet, and because of that people steer clear of her because of the reputation she's garnered. She hates this trope because in real life she's unlikely to ever get a "Redemption arc" and she knows it.
Is it "writing fanfiction about her" probably.
is it autistic of me? most definitely.
But this thought process keeps repeating in my head. I think Lily is just straight-up jealous of these fictional characters.
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No, guys, see; it's totally different!
Star Wars Canon: "This war criminal is totally redeemable."
TSR: "This war criminal doesn't need to be redeemed."
Star Wars Canon: "This war criminal is totally redeemable."
TSR: "This war criminal doesn't need to be redeemed."