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Biden gets an earful in the Oval from Mexican President López Obrador​

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President Biden listens to remarks from Mexico's Andrés Manuel López Obrador.

In his long career as a U.S. senator, Joe Biden has sat through his share of lengthy speeches.

But sitting in the Oval Office on Tuesday, President Biden seemed a bit out of practice. During a meeting with Mexico's Andrés Manuel López Obrador, Biden at turns smirked, grimaced, fidgeted, and took notes as the Mexican president launched into remarks that went on for more than half an hour.

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Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador pulls out his remarks in the Oval Office.

Some 20 minutes into his remarks, López Obrador said he was getting ready to conclude. Biden broke into a big grin and laughed.

Speaking through an interpreter, the populist leader touched on everything from Franklin D. Roosevelt's migrant policies, to the relative costs of American and Mexican gasoline, to lithium mining, and the need for broader, more predictable migration policies.

Biden made a point to tell his counterpart that he agreed with many of López Obrador's broad points, that "our nations share close ties, family, and friendship." Biden said policy differences between the two were often exaggerated by "overhyped headlines."

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President Biden's prepared remarks lasted about 10 minutes.

Biden also touted cooperation between the two nations on targeting drugs — specifically fentanyl — as well as on tackling the root causes that lead people to migrate from Central and South America to Mexico and the United States

But López Obrador's visit to the White House came immediately on the heels of the Mexican president's boycott of the Summit of the Americas in Los Angeles last month. López Obrador refused to attend the U.S.-hosted conference because the Biden administration did not invite authoritarian governments of Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. That decision – and the White House's frantic scramble to reverse it – cast a shadow over much of the summit.


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President Biden speaks during his meeting with Mexican President Andres Manuel López Obrador.

And while not overtly hostile, some of López Obrador's comments to Biden touched on politically embarrassing topics, like the high price of gasoline in the United States.

"While we're waiting for prices or gasoline to go down in the United States," López Obrador said at one point, "we have decided that it was necessary for us to allow Americans who live close to the border ... to go and get their gasoline on the Mexican side at lower prices."

López Obrador's administration recently began subsidizing gasoline prices.

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President Biden listens as Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador delivers lengthy remarks in the Oval Office.

The Mexican president ended his remarks with a call for more, and more formalized, migration policies. "It is indispensable for us to regularize and give certainty to migrants that for years have lived and worked in a very honest manner," he said.

"I know that your adversaries the conservatives are going to be screaming all over the place," López Obrador added, deploying phrasing he often uses to describe critics of his administration. "Even to the heaven they're going to be yelling."

Indeed, Republicans have seized on high numbers of migrants trying to cross the U.S. border as they criticize Biden's policies.

"We need to work closer together," Biden said after López Obrador concluded. "The thrust of what you're saying, I agree with."

The two leaders continued meeting behind closed doors after their 45 minutes in front of reporters.

More diplomacy and meetings await Biden later this week: Late Tuesday, he leaves for a trip to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

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The remarks of Mexico's President Andres Manuel López Obrador went on for some time.


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I'm increasingly alarmed at how much other world leaders are willing to tell the emperor he's naked.
France, then Germany, now Mexico. He's getting reamed by most of our allies already. Imagine how much disrespect he's gonna get after the midterms put his party out of power.
 

Trump Says He Could Have Made Musk ‘Drop to His Knees’​

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Donald J. Trump via Truth Social

The war of words between former President Donald Trump and Elon Musk is intensifying—and getting weirder.

On Tuesday evening, Trump responded to a series of tweets the Tesla CEO had sent Monday encouraging Trump to end his political career.

“I don’t hate the man, but it’s time for Trump to hang up his hat & sail into the sunset,” Musk had declared on Twitter. “Dems should also call off the attack—don’t make it so that Trump’s only way to survive is to regain the Presidency.”

No surprise that the former president didn’t take well to the slight. For his part, he took to his right-wing social media network Truth Social and assailed Musk, recalling one of the many times the Tesla CEO visited the White House during his administration.

“When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it’s electric cars that don’t drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocketships to nowhere, without which subsidies he’d be worthless,” Trump wrote, “and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, ‘drop to your knees and beg,’ and he would have done it.”

For good measure, the ex-president appeared to revel in Tuesday’s other Musk news: Twitter is suing the moon-loving billionaire, alleging that he broke a contract to purchase the company.

“Now Elon should focus on getting himself out of the Twitter mess because he could owe $44 billion for something that’s perhaps worthless. Also, lots of competition for electric cars!”

Musk didn’t immediately return The Daily Beast request for comment on Tuesday night.

Throughout the day, Trump also attacked the House Jan. 6 committee, issued endorsements to MAGA-friendly candidates, and shared baseless claims that the 2020 election was “rigged.”

“The Cheating and Irregularities were unbelievable,” the ex-president fumed after the committee tasked with investigating the Capitol riot disclosed that Trump attempted to contact a witness who has yet to appear before the panel, constituting potential witness interference.

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Yes, I'm secretly on the payroll of the vast and totally consistent Biden machine lmao
I'm just autistic about thread titles being accurate and realized I had the power to change it now
Plz everyone stuff this thread with how much of a corrupt snake Biden is and how the media ignored all of this 2 years ago because Orange Man is indisputably Bad
Dude, don't arbitrarily change the title of a longrunning thread. What the hell?
 
I've had multiple Trump derangement addicts admit to me they genuinely could not think of a reason they they hated Trump so fiercely other than the news telling them too and they obeyed.

They looked pretty horrified when they came to that realization too.
Fuck I could give a many number of things that pissed me off about Trump and I voted for him twice.
 
One of the Democrats I figure is running, again, is Mike Bloomberg. If the Democrat party is truly set on schism, and I think it is at this point, Bloomberg will fight to lead the Neo-Liberal Corporatist wing of the Party.

He has the connections, he has a campaign apparatus that could snap back in place quickly, he has a not insignificant amount of money. The Bezos types should love him, and there is a chunk of the party that eyes the radicals with growing suspicion and dismay.

The real kicker for all this though is that he was delusional enough the last time around to think he had a shot. I can totally see him thinking that 2024 is totally his for the taking.
If this happens, I hope we get something like meatball-tier memes again. They were hilariously bad.
 
Dude, don't arbitrarily change the title of a longrunning thread. What the hell?
Meh, I actually agree with the thread name change. The gamut of topics this thread (and its predecessor) tackles, despite being a thread nominally about Brandon, do run pretty wide. Plus, this prevents the risk of another "TOO OFF-TOPIC, SHUT IT DOWN".
 
Meh, I actually agree with the thread name change. The gamut of topics this thread (and its predecessor) tackles, despite being a thread nominally about Brandon, do run pretty wide. Plus, this prevents the risk of another "TOO OFF-TOPIC, SHUT IT DOWN".
What we really need to do is make a separate US Politics General Thread. I like this thread, because I like the parade of fuckups that is the Biden administration. and I don't like it being revamped into something it shouldn't be.
 
Off topic, but I’m kind of 50-50 on wanting this thread to be in the Mass Debates General thread on this site. But I understand why it’s still on A&N.

Biden Enslavement Syndrome does not have the sting that anyone would want. Not even the Biden Derangement Syndrome comes close, since it’s just former Trump voters disguising themselves as Democrat voters using bait to talk about the obvious.
 
I know how to get popular with Mexicans again! I'll just import a shitload of other Mexicans to compete for jobs. Surely this cannot backfire on us by angering the local Latinx tacos


Biden Brags About Importing ‘Record’ Foreign Workers to Compete Against Americans for Jobs​

John Binder12 Jul 2022
United States President Joe Biden meets with President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico at the White House in Washington, DC Tuesday, July 12, 2022. (Photo by Chris Kleponis/Sipa USA)
Chris Kleponis/Sipa USA/MICHAEL HANSON/AFP via Getty Imagesnone
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President Joe Biden is bragging about the “record” number of foreign visa workers his administration has brought to the United States to compete for working and middle class jobs against unemployed Americans.

During a press conference with Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO), Biden bragged that his Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has created a steady flow to the U.S. of foreign workers on agricultural H-2A and nonagricultural H-2B visas.

“Last year, my administration set a record — we issued more than 300,000 H-2 visas for Mexican workers,” Biden said. “We also reached a five-year high in the visas we issued to Central Americans, and we’re on pace to double this in … this fiscal year for Central America.”

Biden’s inflating the U.S. labor market with millions of foreign workers comes as millions of working-age Americans remain on the labor market sidelines.

“There are approximately 11.5 million job openings in the United States right now, and 14.73 million employable Americans,” a study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) notes. “This means that there are 3.23 million more workers in the country than open jobs.”

Similarly, the Center for Immigration Studies finds that the number of native-born Americans who are now out of the labor force has increased in all 50 states tremendously in the last two decades. This is particularly true of working class Americans who are the most likely to compete against foreign workers for U.S. jobs.

From 2000 to 2022, the share of non-college-educated Americans in the labor force declined in every state, and in 24 of those states, the decline was seven or more percentage points. The decline was nearly five percent on average for non-college-educated Americans in their “prime working age” during this 22-year period.

Annually, the U.S. gives out green cards to about 1.2 million foreign nationals and another 1.5 million temporary work visas. This is in addition to the millions of illegal aliens who are added to the U.S. population every year.
 
What we really need to do is make a separate US Politics General Thread. I like this thread, because I like the parade of fuckups that is the Biden administration. and I don't like it being revamped into something it shouldn't be.

That's a perfectly acceptable compromise to me. Let this stay Biden and start a US Politics General.... (even though I hate fucking megathreads on avg just due to how news gets lost in them)
 
That's a perfectly acceptable compromise to me. Let this stay Biden and start a US Politics General.... (even though I hate fucking megathreads on avg just due to how news gets lost in them)
I just like shitposting with frens for like a thousand pages about absolutely nothing
 
I know how to get popular with mexicans again! I'll just import a shitload of other Mexicans to compete for jobs


Biden Brags About Importing ‘Record’ Foreign Workers to Compete Against Americans for Jobs​

John Binder12 Jul 2022
United States President Joe Biden meets with President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico at the White House in Washington, DC Tuesday, July 12, 2022. (Photo by Chris Kleponis/Sipa USA)
Chris Kleponis/Sipa USA/MICHAEL HANSON/AFP via Getty Imagesnone
2:26

President Joe Biden is bragging about the “record” number of foreign visa workers his administration has brought to the United States to compete for working and middle class jobs against unemployed Americans.

During a press conference with Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO), Biden bragged that his Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has created a steady flow to the U.S. of foreign workers on agricultural H-2A and nonagricultural H-2B visas.

“Last year, my administration set a record — we issued more than 300,000 H-2 visas for Mexican workers,” Biden said. “We also reached a five-year high in the visas we issued to Central Americans, and we’re on pace to double this in … this fiscal year for Central America.”

Biden’s inflating the U.S. labor market with millions of foreign workers comes as millions of working-age Americans remain on the labor market sidelines.

“There are approximately 11.5 million job openings in the United States right now, and 14.73 million employable Americans,” a study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) notes. “This means that there are 3.23 million more workers in the country than open jobs.”

Similarly, the Center for Immigration Studies finds that the number of native-born Americans who are now out of the labor force has increased in all 50 states tremendously in the last two decades. This is particularly true of working class Americans who are the most likely to compete against foreign workers for U.S. jobs.

From 2000 to 2022, the share of non-college-educated Americans in the labor force declined in every state, and in 24 of those states, the decline was seven or more percentage points. The decline was nearly five percent on average for non-college-educated Americans in their “prime working age” during this 22-year period.

Annually, the U.S. gives out green cards to about 1.2 million foreign nationals and another 1.5 million temporary work visas. This is in addition to the millions of illegal aliens who are added to the U.S. population every year.
So are actual Americans fucked when it comes to the job market? Seems like no matter what the position is, non-americans have taken over
  • Mexicans - Manual Labor
  • Indians (street shitters) - Computer/Tech industry
  • That one time Somalian refugees were getting hired to replace the nurses/doctors they fired
That's just off the top of my head
 
What we really need to do is make a separate US Politics General Thread. I like this thread, because I like the parade of fuckups that is the Biden administration. and I don't like it being revamped into something it shouldn't be.
If a separate US Politics General Thread is created, can I tag lefties in there? I just like to watch the trashfire.
 
So are actual Americans fucked when it comes to the job market? Seems like no matter what the position is, non-americans have taken over
  • Mexicans - Manual Labor
  • Indians (street shitters) - Computer/Tech industry
  • That one time Somalian refugees were getting hired to replace the nurses/doctors they fired
That's just off the top of my head
The trades are still experiencing a massive shortage, I think. And a lot of specialized work can't be trusted with uneducated scabs.
 
So are actual Americans fucked when it comes to the job market? Seems like no matter what the position is, non-americans have taken over
  • Mexicans - Manual Labor
  • Indians (street shitters) - Computer/Tech industry
  • That one time Somalian refugees were getting hired to replace the nurses/doctors they fired
That's just off the top of my head
I don't know what it's like in every field, but an American born software engineer is generally more multidisciplinary than an engineer in Bangalore, though this also leads to a higher cost to employ.
American businesses are supposed to try to hire locally before going for an H-1B, and H-1Bs generally lock you into a company (unless you can get another company to shoulder the burden of maintaining your paperwork / additional costs). It's actually so prohibitive that a lot of tech companies just open offices in India rather than bother with H-1Bs ("offshoring").

Offshoring draws a lot of hate because you export jobs and make a lower quality product - you have to redesign your architecture in order to have some cheap foreign coders maintain it. So for the industry I'm familiar with, it really only hurts companies that weren't economically viable in the US in the first place.
 
I've had multiple Trump derangement addicts admit to me they genuinely could not think of a reason they they hated Trump so fiercely other than the news telling them too and they obeyed.

They looked pretty horrified when they came to that realization too.
One of the main reasons why you should hate journos. The way they brainwash, control, and manipulate the population is one of the most disgusting things about our society.
 
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