The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Bonesjones]

I have posted a document from the Nazis at Auschwitz showing that their cremation capacity was massive, i.e. 4,756 bodies a day (also reposted). This is easily enough to burn the corpses the mainstream history says they burned, even considering the time that they would have needed to deactivate the cremas for repairs, etc.

I have also tried to explain that cremation at Auschwitz was faster and required less fuel than commercial cremation at a funeral home, because at Auschwitz they cremated multiple bodies at once and the cremas ran all day (the longer the cremas are running, the less fuel you need to burn bodies, because of built up heat).

After I made these points you guys just resorted to memes and straw man (e.g. JohnDoes claimed I had said that an individual body burns faster if another body is burning alongside it, which I never said. Instead I said that it takes less time and fuel to burn three bodies together than the combined time it takes to burn 3 bodies individually in three seperate individual sessions).

Your only response to this has been resorting to talking points about how it is impossible to burn so many people, based on imageboard postings with data from ma and pa funeral homes. You apparently believe in this claim of "impossibility>", but you cannot defend analytically, you just repeat it like a barking dog.

Again capacity is not utilization, you have to prove utilization. Holocaust record said they used open pit pyres to keep up, so they didn't have the capacity you claim they did. So I've already made all of your points worthless.

No you claim they could have done so, you didn't provide evidence. This is only a trick of pilpul. There is zero record of how they cremated bodies. So you are only using speculation to come to the required number to make your theory work. You also have no understanding of how cremation works, since soft tissue isn't the problem when it comes to cremation, it's the bones. You are trying to use heat to reduce the bone matter as much as possible. More people means more bones, so you still have the same cremation time per person or you have more bone matter to deal with. This complicates everything you say even further.

These aren't talking points, these are facts. You have to deal with factual matters no matter how much they blow your theories apart. If something can't be done, it can't be done. You can either revise your theory or just be wrong. You are choosing the later.

 

[Chugger]

Pick any one you like. They're demarcated with a symbol called a question mark.

I said I would answer any historical question. I looked back through page 112 and it's all character attacks.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I said I would answer any historical question. I looked back through page 112 and it's all character attacks.

Asking you a personal question why you're suddenly interested in it is not in itself a character attack. It has some implications, sure, but you could have just answered it. You had a similar fear when I asked you if you could read german. I really don't get why someone would be defensive about that.

This is just silly. I am obviously saying money is not the only factor necessary to import a good. It was necessary, not sufficient for the Nazis to get oil from Romania.

Obviously after the Nazi effort was transparently doomed, Romania did not want to play ball with them anymore, no matter the money. But that has nothing to do with the time frame we are discussing, the beginning of AR in early 1942.

Lmao, you don't think the romanian coup had anything to do with at all? Okay, perhaps you don't know why they stopped trading oil to germany.

 

[History Speaks]

Lmao, you don't think the romanian coup had anything to do with at all? Okay, perhaps you don't know why they stopped trading oil to germany.

Why are you more interested in trying to achieve cheap btfos (something you are miserably failing to do, you should know) than substantive conversation?

The Romanian coup happened because Nazi Germany was doomed and Romanian dictator Antonescu (through his extermination of Jews and other policies) had tied himself to Nazi Germany's fate. So Antonescu was overthrown and Romania switched sides.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Why are you more interested in trying to achieve cheap btfos (something you are miserably failing to do, you should know) than substantive conversation?

I'm not going to overpay on btfo's. I'll take the cheap ones. I'm dutch. I'm practically a jew.

If they're so cheap, let's see if you can get some.

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Why do you feign ignorance on what I'm saying when it's very clear you understand what I'm saying? I think it's that you just don't want to admit you made a mistake when you brought german looting as a failed counterargument against fuel costs and then doubled and tripled down on it.

When you say substantive conversation, what you actually mean is to have a retarded kind of back and forth where you will feign ignorance continuously. I very much believe in debate, question and answer, but they are held with people who can manage to attain a certain level of decorum and intellectual honesty. If there is none of that, you'd literally have to be retard to do so.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

One of the things deniers say is ‘lol Jews claim Nazis made lampshades of human skin and shit. Really?!’

Considering it has happened before even by someone who made a coin purse of a dude’s…er coinpurse no the idea that humans can be depraved and horrific is just fact to anyone who has read about history’s serial killers and Nazis who started a conflict that killed 80 million sure fit the label serial killers. Oh yeah the guy who made the coin purse was eventually elected as a Democratic Governor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1ocxd0/til_dr_john_osborne_the_first_democratic_governor/

 

[Lemmingwise]

Considering it has happened before even by someone who made a coin purse of a dude’s…er coinpurse no the idea that humans can be depraved and horrific is just fact to anyone who has read about history’s serial killers and Nazis who started a conflict that killed 80 million sure fit the label serial killers. Oh yeah the guy who made the coin purse was eventually elected as a Democratic Governor.

It is no longer part of the official history that nazi's made lampshades out of human skin.

When Ilse Koch was put on trial it was proven in court that they were made out of goatskin. The prosecution was unable to prove any of the offered items were made out of human skin.

 

[Chugger]

Asking you a personal question why you're suddenly interested in it is not in itself a character attack. It has some implications, sure, but you could have just answered it. You had a similar fear when I asked you if you could read german. I really don't get why someone would be defensive about that.

You really want to have a meta discussion in the Holocaust thread lol? This is some painful cringy shit. I reject your assumption that I became "suddenly interested" in defending myself from character attacks against you, and I reject your characterization that I became defensive when you asked me if I could read German. I answered you plainly and gave you some advice about overcoming translation issues.

No. Why do you ask? Translation works well since it's transcribed. On chrome browser right click translate

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

It is no longer part of the official history that nazi's made lampshades out of human skin.

When Ilse Koch was put on trial it was proven in court that they were made out of goatskin. The prosecution was unable to prove any of the offered items were made out of human skin.

Well why doesn’t /pol/ put THAT in their spergy infographs instead of just claiming the stories are too absurd to happen? Because being factual disproven is a salient point. Probably a psyop to make me look like a retard.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Well why doesn’t /pol/ put THAT in their spergy infographs instead of just claiming the stories are too absurd to happen? Because being factual disproven is a salient point. Probably a psyop to make me look like a retard.

You should treat a place like that as a pub. Somewhere to bant and maybe get some leads, but never to decide truth in itself. If you don't learn to do your own research and learn to circumvent using just official sources without protecting against getting too biased, then you're always going to be playball for one side or another.

What I said is also a bit of an exaggeration, because they tried to refortify the story somewhere in the 90s, about 50 years after the court case and claimed they found some with human skin; a timeframe that I find very suspicious, personally. So yeah, if you go to the wikipedia page on human lampshades, you walk away with the impression that it did happen, but if you read the wikipedia page for ilse koch, you'll get a bigger picture. For now. Because this will be "rectified" too in due time, just like videos early in this thread have mostly been deleted.

 

[Bonesjones]

Well why doesn’t /pol/ put THAT in their spergy infographs instead of just claiming the stories are too absurd to happen? Because being factual disproven is a salient point. Probably a psyop to make me look like a retard.

How much time should you spend on disproving unicorns exactly?

Things like that are easily disproven and ridiculous on an even cursory glance, but every minute spent talking about them instead of more important things is a win for the Holocaust narrative.

 

[History Speaks]

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You should treat a place like that as a pub. Somewhere to bant and maybe get some leads, but never to decide truth in itself. If you don't learn to do your own research and learn to circumvent using just official sources without protecting against getting too biased, then you're always going to be playball for one side or another.

What I said is also a bit of an exaggeration, because they tried to refortify the story somewhere in the 90s, about 50 years after the court case and claimed they found some with human skin; a timeframe that I find very suspicious, personally. So yeah, if you go to the wikipedia page on human lampshades, you walk away with the impression that it did happen, but if you read the wikipedia page for ilse koch, you'll get a bigger picture. For now. Because this will be "rectified" too in due time, just like videos early in this thread have mostly been deleted.

Who is "they"? You assume historians are a hive mind devoted to maintaining the Holocaust but historians have actually discredited many elements of what used to be the popular story (lampshades, 4 million dead at Auschwitz).

The narrative you hear now - 5 to 6 million dead, by gasing, mass shooting, ghettoization, and maltreatment, at the hand of Germans, Romanians, and Croats - is supported by overwhelming documentary and other evidence.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

How much time should you spend on disproving unicorns exactly?

Things like that are easily disproven and ridiculous on an even cursory glance, but every minute spent talking about them instead of more important things is a win for the Holocaust narrative.

All I am saying is if the claim is ‘Jews claim nazis did horribly B movie slasher flick depraved shit’ as a way to debunk the holocaust well they are expecting people to have never heard of shit like the Toy Box Killer, the inventor of the lobotomy, Genghis Khan, or heard of Jeffery Dahmer who DID make shit made of human skin. Hell US troops reportedly sent Japanese skulls back to their lovers in America.

And yeah if it’s disproven , great. There will always be grifters In any crisis. Doesn’t mean the crisis never happened.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Kiwifarms is a reprehensible website but is half redeemed by its commitment to free speech, which extends to this debate.

No one appointed you judge over us, and if you have to wrestle with morals before you come here, do it without showing your work. How petulant that you leave this little condemnation in case any of your fellow 'banal lefty' contemnors finds you here. Who cares what a fat shit like you thinks. This is America, we already have a glut of obese opinions. Egypt could really use you, so go back there and correct them if you're so brave. Or do you only reprove white people? Coward.

Go eat your feelings, fatty. No wonder there weren't many pictures of you out there.

 

[Bonesjones]

All I am saying is if the claim is ‘Jews claim nazis did horribly B movie slasher flick depraved shit’ as a way to debunk the holocaust well they are expecting people to have never heard of shit like the Toy Box Killer, the inventor of the lobotomy, Genghis Khan, or heard of Jeffery Dahmer who DID make shit made of human skin. Hell US troops reportedly sent Japanese skulls back to their lovers in America.

And yeah if it’s disproven , great. There will always be grifters In any crisis. Doesn’t mean the crisis never happened.

War propaganda is full of stories of aberrant human behavior used to demonize your enemy because it provides a moral justification to your population to help support the war cause. The problem is when they try to use that to punish anyone who calls it into question, which is the central theme to the holocaust narrative.

War trophies are common in every war, no matter how weird they may be, which is why they rarely come up beyond being a side story.

False claims with no evidence doesn't mean a crisis never happened, but it does mean we have to take a closer look to determine fact from war fiction.

History speaks said the British knew about the holocaust happening years before War end, but the wiki page for holocaust denial said it was only discovered post war. Interesting.

The devil is in the details, of which the holocaust narrative has few in the places that matter.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

If anything I agree the use of the Holocaust as a cudgel to bash any critical thought towards Israel or Jewish culture is old. 80 million died the six million special snowflakes narrative needs to be death 80,000,001

 

[Stickerman]

Kiwifarms is a reprehensible website but is half redeemed by its commitment to free speech, which extends to this debate.

I have no dog in this particular thread's fight, but I would like to chime in and say your moral presuppositions about the contents of this site fairly resembles a lolcow who comes into a thread about themself to lambaste the website (and the users thereof) dedicated to making fun of other silly people on the internet.

 

[Bonesjones]

No one appointed you judge over us, and if you have to wrestle with morals before you come here, do it without showing your work. How petulant that you leave this little condemnation in case any of your fellow 'banal lefty' contemnors finds you here. Who cares what a fat shit like you thinks. This is America, we already have a glut of obese opinions. Egypt could really use you, so go back there and correct them if you're so brave. Or do you only reprove white people? Coward.

Go eat your feelings, fatty. No wonder there weren't many pictures of you out there.
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I wonder what that nose looks like from a side profile?

If anything I agree the use of the Holocaust as a cudgel to bash any critical thought towards Israel or Jewish culture is old. 80 million died the six million special snowflakes narrative needs to be death 80,000,001

Its funny if they had just said the Germans kept people in slave labor camps and were guilty of war crimes due to mistreatment of prisoners and focused on people like Mengele or soldiers proven to brutalize civilians, no one would object. They weren't interested in that though, just the ritual humiliation of a country willing to stand up against what would now be globohomo.

 

[Dyn]

No one appointed you judge over us

@History Speaks I hereby appoint you as the official Judger of Kiwi Farms Posters please continue to make these retarded crackers cope and seethe over their gay little nazi hugbox being interrupted.

 

[Bonesjones]

@History Speaks I hereby appoint you as the official Judger of Kiwi Farms Posters please continue to make these retarded crackers cope and seethe over their gay little nazi hugbox being interrupted.

The jews did this bait.