Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Slippin Kimmy]

My experience was they disconnected everything and also gave a massive dose of morphine nominally to ensure there's no pain but really to make sure it doesn't drag on.

When the body has been on machines for an extended period of time, it'll tend to "breathe" for a bit while it all winds down.

 

[Bishbashbosh]

My experience was they disconnected everything and also gave a massive dose of morphine nominally to ensure there's no pain but really to make sure it doesn't drag on.

That sounds the best way to go!!

 

[copacetic91]

I know Kayli's dad was older, but he doesn't look like, ancient. I assume it was cardiovascular or cancer related?

The obituary is confusing to read and lacking punctuation and formatting, but this is in there:

“He was a Christian, brought up in the Salvation Army church, and recently found complete trust in the Lord when facing Stage 4 T Cell Lymphoma and Stage 4 HLH disease and shock for a year and a half beyond the life expectancy.”

So yeah, cancer. Tragic for the family. He was 52.

 

[AidsDisciplinary]

That sounds the best way to go!!

That we should all be so lucky.

Give me the huge morphine dose and the family gathered over anything but 'died in sleep age 89'.

No parent wants to outlive their child, but if you could give them a gentle end you would.

Sorry. This case is awful. I'm here for cows and I got feels.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Mindless decision? There's only one mindless person in this story

...and it's not the literally brain dead kid.

The obituary is confusing to read and lacking punctuation and formatting, but this is in there:

“He was a Christian, brought up in the Salvation Army church, and recently found complete trust in the Lord when facing Stage 4 T Cell Lymphoma and Stage 4 HLH disease and shock for a year and a half beyond the life expectancy.”

So yeah, cancer. Tragic for the family. He was 52.

I'm double posting, sorry, but I wanted to keep my replies separate since they're addressing two different subjects.

HLH is hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis, a rare hematological disorder which arises when certain types of leukocytes (white blood cells) called lymphocytes and macrophages become overactivated and start attacking other blood cells. This is called "hemophagocytosis", which is a Greek word meaning "blood cell eating", and it can be observed in the bone marrow using a microscope. The leukocytes are morphologically normal, but they trigger a massive immune response via the release of inflammatory molecules called cytokines, which cause damage to organs.

I'll be back with more later, curse my actual job.

 

[Vibromatic Heart Bed]

Probably a stupid question, but how does one see this stuff. Lungs are pretty deep within the body, is it from suctioning? It’ll it really is a bacterial infection that is really bad as his body is mounting no immune defense whatsoever. And antibiotics can’t work if there’s no immune system to work with.

I’m glad he is finally going to get some peace.

You're right, it's from suctioning. The endotracheal tube(ETT)/ventilator setup contains an "in-line" suction which allows caregivers to advance a suction catheter down into the airway (specifically the trachea) while maintaining sterility. As you pull back on the catheter, you can directly visualize all the lung secretions within the tubing, including colors and textures.

And I'm surprised he hasn't succumbed to pneumonia/sepsis/multiorgan failure yet. Just very unlucky.

Edit- just thinking some more about the nurses in this situation. I wonder if they have the ability to refuse to care for Archie. Like how nurses have the option not to participate in MAID by calling themselves "conscientious objectors"... can they also object to participating in the desecration of Archie's corpse?

 

[GenociderSyo]

Hollie finally made her own post:

Something commented on really puts into perspective how dead he is. They have had to use no sedation for him to be on a vent. He has no gag reflex, etc. NOTHING fights against being ventilated. He has no cough reflex so he does even react to suctioning.

And of course isntead of being with her child in his final days shes making the media circuit:

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

When they withdraw active treatment (which is NOT euthanasia, Ella) it will be very swift and anticlimactic.

He won't be on monitoring. They'll disconnect everything, leaving the ventilator until last. There is no need for morphine in Archie's case, he is dead for all intents and purposes.
They'll remove the breathing tube and that will be it. He will not continue to breathe. It will probably be a few minutes later that his heart will slow down, go into an abnormal rhythm, then stop.

It will be very quiet, calm, and peaceful. He will just look like he's asleep. We should all be so lucky to have such a dignified death.
His family can then spend as many hours as they like with his body before he goes to the mortuary and then the Coroner.

 

[not very concrete]

And of course isntead of being with her child in his final days shes making the media circuit:

Honestly feels cruel from the media to even allow this circus. She's clearly underprepared for some of the earlier questions, probably because she can't say that she feels targeted by the process because of her wild conspiracy beliefs about the system being against her

Surprising she's still going on about this online challenge when it's never been specified what the actual challenge is... because it doesn't exist

 

[Choroid Plexus]

Honestly feels cruel from the media to even allow this circus. She's clearly underprepared for some of the earlier questions, probably because she can't say that she feels targeted by the process because of her wild conspiracy beliefs about the system being against her

Surprising she's still going on about this online challenge when it's never been specified what the actual challenge is... because it doesn't exist

Don't you know, all the cool kids are hanging themselves from 8 foot high banisters with bathrobe ties for TikTok clout!

 

[not very concrete]

Don't you know, all the cool kids are hanging themselves from 8 foot high banisters with bathrobe ties for TikTok clout!

Now that you say it I wouldn't be that surprised if the depressed side of TikTok has videos about hanging yourself. I was a depressed teen once but honestly wouldn't have had a clue how to tie a noose

It's probably easier to say it's a challenge and therefore mainstream than to admit to the world that your kid has been interacting with suicidal TikToks. It did sound from the interview like she was aware of what he's been watching, but then I'm not entirely sure how truthful she's really being as she would want to portray herself in the best light and she did mention something about disciplining/talking to him about it

With the amount of shit on TikTok she probably has some sort of case to create a massive public outcry because there's so many depressed teenagers out there, but that's too hard when you can earn money from your dead child

 

[Murder Bunny]

Don't you know, all the cool kids are hanging themselves from 8 foot high banisters with bathrobe ties for TikTok clout!

And here I was planning to do none of those things ever...

 

[Catmannjew]

There are some parents in the us who had their children die in 2021. They claimed a blackout challenge as well. They also claimed TikTok knew and pushed it.
link, archive

 

[Treasure Champs]

Honestly feels cruel from the media to even allow this circus. She's clearly underprepared for some of the earlier questions, probably because she can't say that she feels targeted by the process because of her wild conspiracy beliefs about the system being against her

Surprising she's still going on about this online challenge when it's never been specified what the actual challenge is... because it doesn't exist

Hard agree. It's very difficult to watch the hushed-tone interview here when it's clear she's utterly delusional. And the interviewer assuring her she's "doing good" by telling the world about a non-existent see-how-long-it-takes-you-to-neck-yourself challenge on tiktok.

"Isn't his heart only beating because of the ventilator?"
"No because the heart beats in your mum's womb even before you have lungs"

Wat.

 

[Dahlia Hawthorne]

I blame the ongoing DDOS attack on Archie’s Army.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I blame the ongoing DDOS attack on Archie’s Army.

Honestly they seem to only know that the facebook page DFA exists. Doubt they know this one does.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

I blame the ongoing DDOS attack on Archie’s Army.

Actually it's a different group from the AC forum. I don't think Facebook moms know how to DDOS.

 

[not very concrete]

Honestly they seem to only know that the facebook page DFA exists. Doubt they know this one does.

DFA has mentioned kiwi and tattle (British version of lolcow sort of) a few times in their comments so I reckon they know, just not entirely sure they have the knowledge to carry out a DDOS

One of the statements from a few days ago seemed to be using some language and themes that has been cropping up in tattle and maybe kiwi too, so I reckon Hollie has been doing some reading in her spare time too. Surprised they or their army haven't popped up somewhere yet

 

[CashMoney!]

It's worth noting that Tiktok said there was no such challenge to be found. They would have been in a hurry to verify that. I also doubt any 12 year old looks at hanging yourself as a fun challenge. Think back to when you were 12. Were you aware enough to realise that tying something around your neck and jumping when nobody is home will probably kill you? Would you think of that as a fun challenge? If he was doing a challenge you would think there would be video evidence from him apparently trying this. You can't gain clout if no one sees you doing the thing. This tiktok thing is a huge disservice to his intelligence and 12 year olds everywhere.

Why can't she just admit her 12 year old killed himself when he had the chance? That is less disrespectful to her son than pretending he was hanging himself for the likes. Shows you just how much she wants to avoid questions about why a child in your care would take himself out with no previous indication of doing so (apparently).

ETA sperg: It would be very easy for tiktok to blow this out of the water by examining the activity on Archie's account and using hard data to confirm that no, there is no hanging yourself for likes challenge in his search or watch history, he was just consuming suicidal content rather frequently for a child, and it's pretty gross to use a big company to blame for content your kid is consuming when you're the parent and should be keeping an eye on that shit anyway. If she was she'd know he was apparently suicidal for some time and get that sorted, but as evidence shows, he was on that train of thought for a while with Hollie having no idea. This is a pretty big accusation to level at a popular app like tiktok with endless data and money to prove you wrong in addition to their only statement so far that there's no such challenge on their app. This is not a good angle for her to cling to because the louder she is the more likely tiktok might take some kind of action against her for telling everyone they host content about killing yourself for likes and do nothing about it to the point where they killed her kid (along with the hospital and anyone else who looks at her wrong). We remain optimistic.

The other much sadder option is her knowing he was declining in mental health and doing nothing to avoid criticism of her parenting by healthcare providers, fearing attention on her family which may have uncovered a lot of shit she didn't want people to know about. This is common in parents who have an extreme achiever to conceal the fact their home life is a hot fucking mess. I personally know of many such cases where that's occurred and children have missed out on critical help because their parents don't want to be told they're doing something wrong or insufficiently, and instead double down on the kid continuing to be amazing (or else!!!) to display that everything is fine. Wilful ignorance of a problem to then say later it was a totally random event and blame something or someone else for your inaction.

God this woman makes me seethe LMAO. Archie deserved more than this.

 

[not very concrete]

It would be very easy for tiktok to blow this out of the water by examining the activity on Archie's account and using hard data to confirm that no, there is no hanging yourself for likes challenge in his search or watch history

I'd also think she would have found his phone filming the challenge because we all know there's not much point doing challenges, especially one as stupid as hanging yourself, if there's no likes to be gained

If one such video exists:
A) Extremely upsetting she/someone had to watch that to confirm it was a challenge
B) Probably makes the incoming inquest's work much easier
C) Sucks for TikTok, British media understandably absolutely loves shitting on social media apps once kids get involved