YouTube Historians/HistoryTube/PopHistory

Any YT history popularizer is going to make mistakes, sooner or later. Honestly just read the primary material yourself, or if your too busy or lazy-take everything they say with a grain of salt.

I don't think there is a YT historian who is actively trying to deceive or mislead their audience-but they can be lazy, they can get things wrong, misread the material, or simply use wrong sources. The most I would say with Felton is he is sensational and again gets things wrong from time to time.
 
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Gisvarg said:
I'd like TIK to do a video on the Ustase. They made the Nazis look like kittens and their crimes are a lot more undeniable.
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Ustase and the Hungarian Arrow Cross took fascism to a far higher level then even the Nazis. I think those two political movements were the farthest to the right you could possibly get.
 
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Gisvarg said:
I'd like TIK to do a video on the Ustase. They made the Nazis look like kittens and their crimes are a lot more undeniable.
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Got any good links about these spirited lads?
 
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Got any good links about these spirited lads?
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Apparently they didn't even afford the efficiency of Nazi camps and just went with old fashioned machetes and knives and bayonets.

They were so bad even the Gestapo was disgusted by them:

“The Ustaše committed their deeds in a bestial manner not only against males of conscript age, but especially against helpless old people, women, and children. The number of the Orthodox that the Croats have massacred and sadistically tortured to death is about three hundred thousand.”
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Seventh Star said:
I don't necessarily disagree with this comment until that last part. Being the YouTube equivalent of History Channel spreads false information and has terrible effects on the public's understanding of history, which later gets reflected in the field itself. This has happened before with one fake Hungarian jet allegedly developed during WW2. Some pop magazine made up its existance, and people have thought its real ever since.

Your average normie wont fact check, apparently neither will a lot of people here, and some sources will be really hard to find for even someone well-acquainted with the field of study. And even if you dont think hes a serious historian, again, even in KF you can find people who think he is nothing more than your average grifter who reads random shit he finds on the internet.

A pop history youtuber who gets shit wrong but at the very least attempts to do research is, despite all the shit I give him, PotentialHistory, at least he cites sources most of the time and admits when he fucks up. And I wouldnt be so harsh against Felton if he actually tried to correct things when hes wrong or credit the people he steals from, who would most likely not have a single issue with it otherwise.
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I agree with everything you sare saying but I think you're unfairly placing blame on a single person (in this case Felton) when this is a long standing problem with human nature itself.
 
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Gisvarg said:
Said I'd do a rant about Aurelian's economics and here it is, because no youtuber ever talks about it. They only ever talk about his military prowess and geopolitical edicts, which yes they were on another level to any other leader at the time. I think in raw military skill Aurelian surpasses Constantine too, but that's all historical youtubers ever talk about. The most they mentioned is he also reversed debasement of the currency but that isn't enough to fix the economy. A lot of his other economic policies were detrimential.

What were they? Well he increased welfare gibs greatly. He abolished Trajan's welfare system and replaced it with one giving citizens surpluses of pork, salt, olive oil, vinegar, wine, premade bread, and then making it hereditary. He spent so much on welfare he actually had to scale back. He made civilians more reliant on the state than ever, and it's not like he implemented mandatory service or anything. Any civilian regardless of talent can just be bathed in food forever. The hereditary part was then used by Diocletian to enshrine serfdom and a for-life guild system. This system would ruin social mobility and create an even greater class divide and socioeconomic decline of the Roman Empire.

This one thing, alongside his general ruthless and brutal attitude, were his weakest traits. Neither of these people ever really discuss. Had he ruled longer, the military and administrative side of the Roman Empire would be fixed early sure, but economically Rome was still a ticking time bomb.
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Why does every "great" Roman Emperor also have god-awful economic policies. Is it because shitty emperors are too lazy to fuck with the economy (aside from the usual graft), while the "great" ones actually try, and inevitably fail because economics wasn't invented yet?
HeyYou said:
That's like one tier down from calling Jesus a socialist in terms of retarded modern day political comparisons.
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It's not that stupid. All the historically Puritan areas are progressive strongholds now and they have a lot of traits in common, it's no accident. Though why a leftie would admit this just so he could trot out a rehash of Whig history that looks so sinister to the average person that it might as well be reactionary propaganda is beyond me.

naaaaiiiiillllll!!! said:
I mean, as posted earlier in this thread, On Kings and General's YouTube page, Channels -> Subscriptions, they are full off Breadtubers, so being a strange extremist Turk fits (far left, establishment shill [he got a sponsorship from Intel for Allah's sake], and likes getting asspats for being from an Islamic country). It's all so tiresome...


Rudy is a major sperg, but he is such an unapologetic dweeb with his heart/mind in the right place (aka I sympathize with him trying to be a center-right classical liberal in current year on YouTube as a zoomer for crying out loud). I think he has potential to be a good/fun YouTuber. However, he's shifting towards right-wing grifting and tech bros, which is also making his ego balloon, which can easily turn him into a lolcow (if he isn't already). His video efforts are quite low, which was charming and reminded me of old "authentic" YouTube, but he's said he has a team working in New York with him, which is definitely confusing.

I guess me, and much of this thread, root for Rudy, but still watches because he's teetering on the edge of lolcowdom. Historytube is either him or Breadtube/Breadtube-adjacent fucks...
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It makes me wonder if those big-budget channels like K&J are Breadtube-adjacent because Breadtube is academia-adjacent. It's just a bunch of unemployed humanities students realising that their charisma is just high enough to make Youtube videos with sponsors rather than write for clickbait mills. The more agreeable ones join the companies that make these high-budget productions, and the less agreeable ones become Breadtube faggots. Rudy is an admitted college dropout, so no wonder he's the odd one out.
 
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Iapetus said:
I'm fairly familiar with the Last Days of the Roman Republic already having read a lot of books about it, including a lot of the "primary" source material, but when I watched Historia Civilis' videos on the Last Crisis (I know, he's not 100% good and can be a little "much"), it really showed me just how quickly all of those events happened. Caesar crosses the Rubicon, and within 5 years he's dead and there's now a civil war between the Liberators and the Caesar Loyalists that leads to their own deaths. That is to say, if the Crossing of the Rubicon happened in 2018, the Battle of Philippi would've happened next year.

It puts things in perspective.
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It truly at times makes me wonder what historians will be writing about this period in history 400 years downs the line assuming that humanity isn't dead or has suffered a technological collapse due to electrical hubris.
 
Gisvarg said:
Antonine Plague might have been indirectly responsible for China's crisis of the 3rd century, but not Rome's. only contribution was killing off Marcus Aurelius but he was sickly and old anyways and Commodus' ascension was inevitable. The plague didn't do too much when the Severan Army was way larger than the Antonine Army, and it was excessive donatives from the Severans making the legions greedy and short-tempered which started the crisis.

Overall chart is convoluted I don't get what it's saying.
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Tbf Commodus might have been a little better if he hadn't suddenly gained absolute power at 15 years old. After reading Meditations, Commodus' reign seems like a sudden teenage rebellion against his father's Stoicism, made disastrous because nobody could deny him anything.
naaaaiiiiillllll!!! said:
The 2 part series was par for the course for Rudy (ramble-y and meanders in a generally pensive, but naïve way — zoomer-(pseudo)philosopher I’ve started calling it). Extra ironic because he shat on philosophy in the video.

In a way, I’m glad he dropped out of college because if he had better test/IQ scores and was in academia (like Cynical Historian, et al), Rudy’s ego and snobbery would be off the charts (he’s already pushing it).

BTW, found this meme which made me think of Rudy (I can never see sailing ship paintings on the internet with hot takes the same way):

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In classic WIAH fashion, he only shat on Continental philosophy.. but didn't clarify this until halfway through the segment.
 
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Gisvarg said:
TIK is good it's just he goes beyond overboard on sources to the point of autism. I get where he comes from, trying to explain why Hitler is a socialist is like trying to explain to normies that Superman is actually a compelling character, it's shocking and you need to back it up with enough proof. However a 5 hour video on it seems a little too far.
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Predditors still dont believe him and had the most pathetic debunking ever https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/b4c11n/tik_doubles_down_on_national_socialism/. The "debunker" is also a massive Tankie and propagates lies about Makhnos Based Milita.
 
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I doubt this will be a Dr. John Money episode.
 
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Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Forgive me for my ignorance but what is WIAH?
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What If Alt History — this thread’s “favorite” history/center-right geopolitical zoomer dweeb.

… I actually enjoy and am subscribed to him, but I am not above making fun of him or criticizing his more naïve 21-year-old zoomer takes.
 
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naaaaiiiiillllll!!! said:
What If Alt History — this thread’s “favorite” history/center-right geopolitical zoomer dweeb.

… I actually enjoy and am subscribed to him, but I am not above making fun of him or criticizing his more naïve 21-year-old zoomer takes.
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Thanks.
 
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