Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

She’s got writing advice:
Ah yes, the typical Jerry argument: spewing reductive nonsense to justify his personal preferences.

This is the problem with reductionist thinkers like Jerry: they can't grok the idea of stories as anything more than a collection of set-pieces, tied together with exposition. Replace "sex" with "fight", or with "dance", or with "car chase", and the arguments make as much sense, entirely because the argument itself is fundamentally flawed in its priors.
 
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Cards on the table, I'm also not a fan of sex scenes, and I know that there are plenty of people out there who don't want their story to be interrupted by unnecessary scenes of boning. To that end I don't think Lily's entirely wrong; a lot of sex scenes are superfluous, and put into the wrong story can turn off an audience who didn't sign up for that.

So said, two obvious problems:
1. This still doesn't equate to ALL sex scenes being superfluous, although I see now that Lily is twisting this into 'they only have meaning if the sex scene is interrupted', so she's forcibly searating character or plot moments from 'sex' moments so things like Tyrion killing his lover mean that technically the sex scene was interrupted by a murder and the sex part is superfluous. It's just mental gymnastics to prove that she's still right even when she's wrong, even though actual sex scenes can and have been used as plot points.

2. If you're reading something where you find yourself constantly flipping past the sex scenes, you picked up the wrong story. You don't read The Mister because the human trafficking plot is that compelling and you know it.
 
Here comes the part where I have to remind the thread what they should be expecting when it comes to other's and their perceptions of the Farms: We're not loved. Kiwi Farms is generally known by normies and Lefties as a major harassment site at best. Whether or not you agree with this is irrelevant because we aren't talking about objective realities here. Reputation is always going to be given through the lens of the majority, and the majority of people who even recognize this site are inevitably going to outnumber the people who do have a positive opinion about it.

I don't know what was expected, TGT and all associates have made no secret their contempt for us and they, by all manner of fairness, are completely within their rights to do so. Kiwi Farms has articles and threads dedicated to people of interest to them, both as individual members of their channel and as a group, and most people's first instinct when seeing information they do not like is to reject it. We were never going to be seen favorably and what's more is that this should never be "the point" of posting.

I've come to realize that a lot of the people in the thread currently are quite invested in a potential "Take Jerry Down" saga of any sorts and that there are even a few posters here explicitly desiring to do just that, but the reigns need to be pulled in. Kiwi Farms isn't about the virtuous fight against bad people nor are individuals expected to uphold a reputation/try to repair it.

The people at TGT are not going to be our friends just because we hate Jerry. Anyone betrayed by this "surprising" twist should probably take a few moments to recognize what actually goes on at Kiwi Farms and dedicate a few months of lurking other threads before making any sort of angsty posting about how "people aren't on our side."

Generally speaking, you're going to find that the people in Jerry's thread are far more interested in Jerry alone rather than have any interest pertaining to other matters on Kiwi Farms. There are no Gay Ops here; No one is trying to reach around to try and take advantage of the situation or the TGT channel. Support that comes from this thread, and ONLY this thread, is almost certainly going to be genuine and I would strongly recommend that any number of you take the opportunity for some introspection. Just as Kiwi Farms isn't some hellsite dedicated to smiting self-perceived wicked people, Kiwi Farms also isn't some brainless collective. People are on this website for their own reasons and I would recommend you consider practicing discernment in that. You have people in this thread being shocked at your "betrayal" and getting upset about it whereas I myself don't take any umbrage with your thoughts on the Farms nor do I have any intentions of disrespecting any of you for any reason. Let that stand as an example of my previous statement.

honestly my entire opinion on this is 1. kf is a website with a terrible reputation and people talking shit about it doesnt bother me because none of you are my friends and this isnt a big part of my personality. im coming here in spite of all the transphobic, fatphobic bullshit that exists here because i personally can handle it and many people cant and thats fine, i dont need validation 2. its still incredibly shitty of tgt to shit talk someone that shared her go fund me. if youre low enough to ebeg, you dont get to be this choosy

Cards on the table, I'm also not a fan of sex scenes, and I know that there are plenty of people out there who don't want their story to be interrupted by unnecessary scenes of boning. To that end I don't think Lily's entirely wrong; a lot of sex scenes are superfluous, and put into the wrong story can turn off an audience who didn't sign up for that.

So said, two obvious problems:
1. This still doesn't equate to ALL sex scenes being superfluous, although I see now that Lily is twisting this into 'they only have meaning if the sex scene is interrupted', so she's forcibly searating character or plot moments from 'sex' moments so things like Tyrion killing his lover mean that technically the sex scene was interrupted by a murder and the sex part is superfluous. It's just mental gymnastics to prove that she's still right even when she's wrong, even though actual sex scenes can and have been used as plot points.

2. If you're reading something where you find yourself constantly flipping past the sex scenes, you picked up the wrong story. You don't read The Mister because the human trafficking plot is that compelling and you know it.

theres a very implicit thread of "if you wrote it, you like it" in these advices. sex scenes arent always meant to be titilating, they can be painful, disgusting, many things
 
Just slightly off topic. Speaking of GFM, in case you want to donate to someone who actually needs it and is not trying to scam Lily by changing the goal posts everyday to increasingly crazier amounts and excuses SegaSister could use help (so she isn't forced to move into a place with a landlord that forces tenants to declaw their cats and dogs...)

Also...
That's me! I still support the idea that if anyone wants to give to their gofundme for their FFS they should. TGT gets a lot more shit than they are due from our girl, and it would be a nice thing to do. No hidden agenda just trying to do a kindness to another human being.
You are appreciated. ❤️

Edit: Regarding the TGT opinions on KF, I think y'all shouldn't be so offended Jess doesn't like this website. I only ever visit this one thread so I have no idea what it's like everywhere else, but even here there are several people who insist on deadnaming and misgendering Lily. I appreciate the hell out of people who archive LO's bullshit and especially those who take the time to go through her videos and streams because lord knows I have never had and never will have that kind of patience, but it still feels uncomfortable to read some of the stuff here. I imagine it would be even more uncomfortable for her... Still, Jess never said anything against this thread in particular as far as I know. "Weird" doesn't necessarily need to have a negative connotation. Jess is aware not everyone here is a Bad Person™. The fact that she doesn't like KF as a whole should not be taken as a personal attack on any of us. Maybe she could've worded her opinions differently but that's a whole different issue xD
 
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Here comes the part where I have to remind the thread what they should be expecting when it comes to other's and their perceptions of the Farms: We're not loved. Kiwi Farms is generally known by normies and Lefties as a major harassment site at best. Whether or not you agree with this is irrelevant because we aren't talking about objective realities here. Reputation is always going to be given through the lens of the majority, and the majority of people who even recognize this site are inevitably going to outnumber the people who do have a positive opinion about it.

I don't know what was expected, TGT and all associates have made no secret their contempt for us and they, by all manner of fairness, are completely within their rights to do so. Kiwi Farms has articles and threads dedicated to people of interest to them, both as individual members of their channel and as a group, and most people's first instinct when seeing information they do not like is to reject it. We were never going to be seen favorably and what's more is that this should never be "the point" of posting.

I've come to realize that a lot of the people in the thread currently are quite invested in a potential "Take Jerry Down" saga of any sorts and that there are even a few posters here explicitly desiring to do just that, but the reigns need to be pulled in. Kiwi Farms isn't about the virtuous fight against bad people nor are individuals expected to uphold a reputation/try to repair it.

The people at TGT are not going to be our friends just because we hate Jerry. Anyone betrayed by this "surprising" twist should probably take a few moments to recognize what actually goes on at Kiwi Farms and dedicate a few months of lurking other threads before making any sort of angsty posting about how "people aren't on our side."

Generally speaking, you're going to find that the people in Jerry's thread are far more interested in Jerry alone rather than have any interest pertaining to other matters on Kiwi Farms. There are no Gay Ops here; No one is trying to reach around to try and take advantage of the situation or the TGT channel. Support that comes from this thread, and ONLY this thread, is almost certainly going to be genuine and I would strongly recommend that any number of you take the opportunity for some introspection. Just as Kiwi Farms isn't some hellsite dedicated to smiting self-perceived wicked people, Kiwi Farms also isn't some brainless collective. People are on this website for their own reasons and I would recommend you consider practicing discernment in that. You have people in this thread being shocked at your "betrayal" and getting upset about it whereas I myself don't take any umbrage with your thoughts on the Farms nor do I have any intentions of disrespecting any of you for any reason. Let that stand as an example of my previous statement.
Finally some common sense.

If you're surprised by a up and coming leftist channel not having a positive opinion about KF, I don't know what else were you expecting. Sometimes some posters here care too much about the reputation of this site and what could say about them for participating here, but we should have come to terms already that people are always going to have a certain opinion about what happens here and because any individual is here "for the right reasons" is not going to change anything. It's easier to just accept the state of things instead of moralizing about being here. It's a gossip forum, nothing more and nothing less.

theres a very implicit thread of "if you wrote it, you like it" in these advices. sex scenes arent always meant to be titilating, they can be painful, disgusting, many things

That good old projection of her is coming again. She writes all her sex scenes because's horny stupid and so everyone has to be the same, but it's bad when other people do it because they're not horny about the same things Liliana is horny about.
Once again, applying her own logic here, we should side-eye even more that while her own 4 year old traumatized is screaming her lungs out, Rey still thinks about how sexy Alaina is and the sexy dream she's missing for attending her daughter. What exactly was so hot about a screaming toddler, Liliana? Care to explain?
 
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There's many reasons to not take Lily seriously, but her being the horndog she is renders the "sex scenes never ever" """"advice"""" is very high on the list. Like @work of art said, they can happen for a number of reasons. Character development, relationship development etc. etc.
 
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I don't know if this was ever brought up, but the Youtube channel TheWanderingTavern is making a reading of TRS. Both of these guys have zero charm and take ages to get to their point so if anyone is up to listening to them, I recommend doing it at 2x speed.

First video on the series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gTtW0dQ1Yw

Second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UID0x9aLQk0

Third: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGt1vIDCQQs

Fourth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xl4GQqG2J0&t=4282s

Fifth, when they start reading the fourth chapter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj5uzsxukNU

They also have another video talking about the Reva video from Liliana:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJwcsglnGKU
 
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Hilarious. A Gardevoir blog makes it very clear that whatever Lily likes about their favorite pokemon, they don't support her.
 
That good old projection of her is coming again. She writes all her sex scenes because's horny stupid and so everyone has to be the same, but it's bad when other people do it because they're not horny about the same things Liliana is horny about.
It’s annoying how he always labels everything anyone else does as bad despite the fact nobody really cares about his opinions.

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Hilarious. A Gardevoir blog makes it very clear that whatever Lily likes about their favorite pokemon, they don't support her.
Agreed but considering how The Owl House fandom didn’t want anything to do with Jerry, not surprising.
 
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Hilarious. A Gardevoir blog makes it very clear that whatever Lily likes about their favorite pokemon, they don't support her.
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I think the point she misses here is that even if a villain has altruistic goals, their methods or their personality might twist them into doing more bad than good. The flaw with the villain presented is that while they were trying to help a slave population, they ended up blaming the slaves for something they were born into and thought thinning the population to make slaves impossible to have was a good idea. How the villain arrived at this conclusion, and how they justify it to themselves is usually the mark of a good villain.

This can be done wrong of course, like all things, but it's not a bad idea in theory. Progressives are not automatically good people, it depends how and why they're progressive.
 
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I think the point she misses here is that even if a villain has altruistic goals, their methods or their personality might twist them into doing more bad than good. The flaw with the villain presented is that while they were trying to help a slave population, they ended up blaming the slaves for something they were born into and thought thinning the population to make slaves impossible to have was a good idea. How the villain arrived at this conclusion, and how they justify it to themselves is usually the mark of a good villain.

This can be done wrong of course, like all things, but it's not a bad idea in theory. Progressives are not automatically good people, it depends how and why they're progressive.
This is a really retarded idea for a villain though
 
2. If you're reading something where you find yourself constantly flipping past the sex scenes, you picked up the wrong story. You don't read The Mister because the human trafficking plot is that compelling and you know it.

Pfft, dumbass. I meant it's the wrong story for you. If you don't like sex scenes the solution isn't to say "Make all your sex scenes superfluous so I don't have to deal with them", it's to realize the story isn't for you and go read something else.

It occurred to me thinking on this that it's such a ridiculous refusal of personal responsibility to tell everybody else that if you're gonna write a sex scene make SURE it can be skipped because I don't wanna deal with that. It's incumbent on you the author, writing what you want to write, to make sure that you're doing things the way Lily Orchard demands you do. (And I'm certain this is in reference to fanfiction because we all know Lily doesn't read actual books, so yes you, hobby writer who's probably just having fun with things, YOU must conform because God knows there isn't another 1600 Sylvanas-centric fanfics on Ao3 for you to enjoy).

That good old projection of her is coming again. She writes all her sex scenes because's horny stupid and so everyone has to be the same, but it's bad when other people do it because they're not horny about the same things Liliana is horny about.
Once again, applying her own logic here, we should side-eye even more that while her own 4 year old traumatized is screaming her lungs out, Rey still thinks about how sexy Alaina is and the sexy dream she's missing for attending her daughter. What exactly was so hot about a screaming toddler, Liliana? Care to explain?

This too. Lily's the kind of person that assumes that if you put it in the text you must somehow support it. There's no concept of examining a sick mind, or using it to make a character more questionable and morally gray, or emphasizing how dire a situation is, or framing it in a way that it's obviously a bad thing even if society doesn't realize it. It's ALWAYS because it's something the author supports.

(Except her, of course. Stockholm was definitely meant to examine the characters from a realistic perspective and didn't constantly play it off as kinky, funny, or an expression of real love that society doesn't understand.)

I wonder if her Anevay rape-torture fic got around again and she needs to smokescreen. Bad direction to take, though. By that logic she admits she gets off to women being raped. Which, I mean, given her preferences in the lewds she receives...

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I think the point she misses here is that even if a villain has altruistic goals, their methods or their personality might twist them into doing more bad than good. The flaw with the villain presented is that while they were trying to help a slave population, they ended up blaming the slaves for something they were born into and thought thinning the population to make slaves impossible to have was a good idea. How the villain arrived at this conclusion, and how they justify it to themselves is usually the mark of a good villain.

This can be done wrong of course, like all things, but it's not a bad idea in theory. Progressives are not automatically good people, it depends how and why they're progressive.

ooooh my god

First of all, the concept-- good beginning, but what the fuck. The first part of the pitch is rooted in a legitimate problem-- even ignoring the Jim Crow antebellum South, freedmen had a horrible time integrating into northern society, who ostensibly fought for their freedom but largely didn't want to actually deal with them (leading to many freedman being forced to try and find a place in the South during the reparations era, fueling anti-black sentiment and leading to Jim Crow. Obviously this is grossly simplified but you get the gist). Ending slavery doesn't just happen all at once and there are no further tensions and everything is instantly fixed; it's a deep-rotted societal issue that requires time and patience for both the already established society to make room for a sudden influx of new citizens, and for the freedmen to integrate and find a place now that they have a chance at running their own life.

The way you'd have a 'villain' in this order would be to maybe have them so frustrated with the lack of progress that they turn the tables and enslave the previous owners to make them feel what it's like, if that's the direction you're going in. But if they're supposed to be sympathetic you don't have them commit genocide against the people they freed to teach the slaveowners a lesson about manual labor, holy shit.

And the most deranged part?

Lily's response is just "Ugh, a villain shouldn't be anti-slavery!" Like did she actually read the post because there's a way bigger problem here.
 
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I think the point she misses here is that even if a villain has altruistic goals, their methods or their personality might twist them into doing more bad than good. The flaw with the villain presented is that while they were trying to help a slave population, they ended up blaming the slaves for something they were born into and thought thinning the population to make slaves impossible to have was a good idea. How the villain arrived at this conclusion, and how they justify it to themselves is usually the mark of a good villain.

This can be done wrong of course, like all things, but it's not a bad idea in theory. Progressives are not automatically good people, it depends how and why they're progressive.
See the reason Lily cannot fathom villains being progressive (even though slavery = bad is not a huge progressive take) is because if bad guys can have good morals then that means the opposite can also be true. The good guys can have…. bad morals. The good guys could be bad people. And Lily’s a good guy! She couldn’t possibly be a piece of shit!

As always, Lily’s opinions are just a reflection of her own insecurities, biases and desperation to appear as good as possible without putting in any of the actual effort it takes to genuinely be a good person.

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And yeah of course she completely misses the bigger problem of genocide because… I don’t even know at this point. God-awful reading comprehension? Who fucking knows! Jesus, my head hurts from trying to comprehend how dumb her takes are.
 
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I thought it was clear already that Liliana doesn't really care about genocide. The only feeling she ever has about it's joy when she manages to use it on her stories to showcase how powerful her characters are and how they don't have to face any consequences because of them being so powerful.

To her genocide is just a fictional trope that gives her a ego boost, not a real concept that affects real people even today. Her comments about the ongoing war are proof of this as well. She didn't said anything about the genocide portion of the message because it wasn't the kind of genocide she'd have liked and therefore didn't care.
 
"Owl House Season 2 Roundup (Squadcast)"
Local down below. Cut into two parts for file size.









ETA: Timestamps in description.
Intro - 0:00
Seperate Tides - 3:39
Escaping Expulsion - 19:20
Echoes of the Past - 35:01
Keeping Up A-Fearances - 37:52
Through the Looking Glass Ruins - 42:36
Hunting Palismen - 54:21
Eda's Requiem - 1:02:07
Knock Knock Knocking on Hooty's Door - 1:17:49
Eclipse Lake - 1:27:56
Yesterday's Lie - 1:39:51
Follies at the Coven's Day Parade - 1:50:44
Elsewhere and Elsewhen - 2:00:57
Any Sport in a Storm - 2:05:40
Reaching Out - 2:13:57
Themn's The Breaks, Kid - 2:25:26
Hollow Mind - 2:31:10
Edge of the World - 2:36:14
Labrynth Runners - 2:41:03
O Titan Where Art Though - 2:57:28
Clouds on the Horizon - 3:03:35
King's Tide - 3:08:24
Conclusion - 3:21:49
 
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I think the point she misses here is that even if a villain has altruistic goals, their methods or their personality might twist them into doing more bad than good. The flaw with the villain presented is that while they were trying to help a slave population, they ended up blaming the slaves for something they were born into and thought thinning the population to make slaves impossible to have was a good idea. How the villain arrived at this conclusion, and how they justify it to themselves is usually the mark of a good villain.

This can be done wrong of course, like all things, but it's not a bad idea in theory. Progressives are not automatically good people, it depends how and why they're progressive.
A historical example is Bartolome, who advocated for Native American rights but (for some time) believed that African slavery was a justifiable solution.

Or you can include the white supremacist abolitionists, including Lincoln to an extent, since he had considered shipping all African Americans to a new colony to solve the slavery issue.
 
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I think the point she misses here is that even if a villain has altruistic goals, their methods or their personality might twist them into doing more bad than good. The flaw with the villain presented is that while they were trying to help a slave population, they ended up blaming the slaves for something they were born into and thought thinning the population to make slaves impossible to have was a good idea. How the villain arrived at this conclusion, and how they justify it to themselves is usually the mark of a good villain.

This can be done wrong of course, like all things, but it's not a bad idea in theory. Progressives are not automatically good people, it depends how and why they're progressive.
You'd think she'd have some opinions about genocide, being Native and all.
 
Absolutes do not exist in storytelling. I swear Lily herself said those exact words in a video, but I haven't watched her content in forever.

The way I see it, there's no such thing as a bad trope. A trope can be overused or cliche, it can be an often misused or an easy to fuckup trope, but it can never be bad. Take fridging as an example, which is often called the worst trope ever devised. Thing is, fridging is a quick, simple way to get your story off the ground and justify why the MC is doing what they're doing, which is what makes it appealing to a lot of authors. In Max Payne, Max's wife and daughter are killed not even fifteen minutes in. This is fridging, yet Max Payne's story is beloved in spite of that, and I personally revisit it every half-year-ish and gain a new appreciation every time I do. Tropes are how you use them.

Sex scenes are in that same category. Are they often superfluous? Is it often more important story-wise that the characters fucked as opposed to how? Do they often read like two maladjusted fuck robots running through janky-ass motions? Yeah, probably. But that doesn't make sex scenes bad, it just means you have to be more careful how you approach them, and in my opinion, the solution to making a good sex scene is the same as making a good fight scene--character. Sex is a vulnerable action that requires immense trust from both parties, and the best sex scenes highlight that. If a character is naturally distrusting, uptight, or introverted, a good sex scene can mark the climax (ha) of their character arc. I know it's shocking to hear, but sex isn't just an assortment of whams and bams and thrusts and grunts; there is indeed a real, complex person attached to that meat rod. Plus, seeing a beloved character in such a position takes the stigma out of sexual pleasure, which I'd have expected Lily to be all for. I'd personally love if more sex scenes allowed for embarrassed vulnerability where the characters openly say stupid shit like, "Well, that was very awkward. Maybe let's just stay friends?"

And the funniest bit is, there are genuine arguments against sex scenes, but Lily is too scatterbrained to think beyond her gut instincts. Not all sex scenes are filmed ethically. Sharon Stone was tricked into removing her panties in the infamous interrogation scene in "Basic Instinct". Additionally, actors know that any scene they star in nude will appear on celebrity skin websites, and it's understandable why a lot of them wouldn't be comfortable with that, even if they agree that pleasurable, realistic expectations of sex should be normalized. These are all things Lily could have addressed to justify her distaste for sex scenes, but she failed so hard it made her look like a whiny brat who demands all media adjust to her preferences.
 
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