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They're hoping that they can sustain their tyranny with technology and with brainwashing, controlled by a managerial elite who, in turn, are subservient to the aristocratic class.
World Economic Forum Megathread (The Great Reset)
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Raoul_Duke
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You know, that is a sharply pessimistic stance. And I get it, it all seems like this shit is going to continue well into the future, and that terrifies me, frankly. However, that's only if things continue as they are.
And as things are, they will change over the next few years. The only reason why your scenario is even being considered as vaguely possible is because the United States Federal Reserve, with its economic policies of inflation, money printing, and doing their damndest to keep from deflation or default is what allows for this Orwellian Navel-gazing from "elites" about "eating zhe bugs" or "owning nuffzing". The Federal Reserve is the home of the U.S. Dollar, and the U.S. Dollar is THE default reserve currency in the world. And the focus of the Federal Reserve in regards to the dollar, is to ensure that big governments and big business, as epitomized with the membership of our esteemed bunch of sociopaths and psychopaths in the WEF, that those two fields remain strong and tied to the US and its global hegemony. It is really a project between the worst elements of Western governments, politics, and finance, with others in their thrall maintain American interests into the future, at the expense of the global citizenry.
But, consider how the US is doing over the past few decades: Less desire for military affairs after so many fuck-ups, colossal financial bubbles that could pop any time within the next two years, and a disaffected citizenry turning moreso to political alternatives, extreme and otherwise, from the current establishment. I neglected to mention that many of "our" elite are elderly bastards that should be long dead, but have only a few more years to go at worst. All in all, the WEF is a last gasp of America as a hegemon, as it seeks to drag everyone else down to what "our elites" want our level to be: It is the grip of a dead man holding onto your arm as the corpse falls into the coffin that they shall soon inhabit after a long and malicious life. A last will and testament, if it were, a divvying up of the world according to the heirs. But thankfully, the heirs are incompetent, unwilling, and or spoilt rotten. Not to mention, there will be other that will tear up the will and take what they desire from the estate of American hegemony.
Those states that will succeed in the vacuum of American hegemony will be determined by the rest of this decade. Not the last decade, not the one after this, this one. It is doubtful it'll be China and Russia. Maybe one, maybe neither. But those two do not have the demographic health to do so for long, and as a result, they've likely thrown in the towel before the fight. It likely will be some state that claws out of the chaos that no one will have seen before. A dark horse candidate.
Now, again, I understand your pessimism, Todger, but think on the bright side. With the interconnectedness of this world, with the fragility of economic systems, the current system is not a beautiful bronze statue that will last forever, but a brittle and small statuette that with one substantial enough swat of the hand, will go shattering on the floor. Something else will come to replace it, and as to what that may be, I, you, or anyone else alive cannot say to know what it will be. But I can say this much: History operates like a great wheel. These old men and women, their eyes dim and without a soul behind them, hearts as grey and as cold as stone, are seeking to hold back the wheel of history from its natural cycles. But, the more they do so, they shall be ground down to paste under that great wheel of the historical cycle. Someone else will come to replace them, and try to do the same, but under different names and meanings.
But all things change, all things end. And so these times will change, and so they will end. It depends on us to change them to our own benefit.
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Becaause they are changing human nature.
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@Traincake
The USD hegemony is unsustainable. They are hoping to demolish it and replace it with a new reserve currency, as part of a new global "multipolar" order that no longer centers the United States. Everything that we're seeing happen in America today is nothing but the conclusion of a massive exit scam.
In the old system, people had choices. If you wanted to eat fistfuls of lasagna and turn into a 400 pound tub of lard, that was your own prerogative. In the future, when you eat something, your intestines - which will be lined with in-body nanosensors embedded in the tissues themselves - will automatically tattle to your NWO masters and tell them exactly how many calories you absorbed, and then, your food quota will be adjusted downwards until you reach Nutritional Compliance™. They will also look at your pulse and levels of physical exertion, and popups will appear in your visual field nagging you about your state-mandated daily hour of exercise.
The difference between the old order and the new order is metaphysical and meta-ethical. In the old system, you were a free agent. In the new one, you are reduced to an object acted upon by outside forces.
To understand what is happening, you have to go back to the Vienna Circle. It's the only way to even vaguely understand the intentions and the motivations of technocrats.
These people do not see the world the same way normal people do. I cannot stress this enough. People are hitting a wall, trying to analyze the intentions of the WEF and the purpose of the Great Reset, and concluding that it's some evil plot to seize tyrannical power. It certainly is that, but it doesn't stop there. It is, actually, an entire system of values, epistemological positions, and metaphysics that clashes with common wisdom to such a degree that it defies conventional analysis.
To think like a technocrat, you need to assume that morality and values aren't real things, but illusions manifested inside people's heads. So, what you're doing isn't evil, it's just inevitable progress.
If you can manipulate people's values by stuffing nanotechnology into their heads, then where do values originate from? The soul, or the brain? Do mental phenomena arise outside the body, or are they a merely function of the brain itself? All of these problems derive from one thing; the hard problem of consciousness.
We don't know what consciousness is, so we don't know what the mind and qualia actually are, so we don't know what values are, so we don't know why people value having money and the ability to choose different goods and services in a capitalist economy. Do you see how this works? It all goes back to consciousness. Strict materialists, like Yuval Noah Harari, believe humans have nothing like a soul, and that the mind is a product of physical phenomena in the brain. This has serious implications for how society is organized. If I can tweak something in someone's brain to make them consume less food, or less luxury goods, then why should society produce things for people if it's more efficient to pipe euphoria into their heads?
It's kind of a taboo topic. I used to troll neoliberal cornucopians all the time by telling them that money wasn't a real thing and it's all in their heads. I used to do this all the time. It never ceased to be totally, absolutely infuriating for them, and so, I kept doing it. I'd start threads on a forum I used to be quite infamous on, declare that money wasn't a real thing and that people work to obtain fake paper faces that only have value because everyone socially agrees that they do (i.e. their value is normative and not physical) and everyone would lose their fucking shit, every single time. It was amazing. Nobody likes thinking that they work a pointless job for absolutely nothing, even if it's totally true, and their job has no purpose, and their life has no purpose, and there's no reason for them to even exist at all.
Think of what the world looks like without human values. Money is just paper. Gold is just a shiny rock. A waterfall isn't nature's beauty at work, it's just some rock formation that eroded and let a river spill over it. Materialism is the assumption of a mindless and valueless world. Don't you see it, yet? They're trying to achieve the abolition of man. They want a world where morality has no purpose whatsoever, where nobody has to decide what's good or bad because things just happen automatically in an efficient, optimized way. They want to take human judgment, choice, and agency out of the picture entirely. You don't pay for things. That implies agency and choice, and choice is an illusion manufactured by people's brains. Instead, you receive a stipend of exactly how many calories your body needs, because the sensors in your body tell a data center how many calories you ate.
The eventual endgame of all of this is extracting people's brains from their bodies, shoving them into jars Mi-Go style, and forcing them to experience paradise, whether they like it or not.
Do people get it, now? Am I finally starting to make sense?
The USD hegemony is unsustainable. They are hoping to demolish it and replace it with a new reserve currency, as part of a new global "multipolar" order that no longer centers the United States. Everything that we're seeing happen in America today is nothing but the conclusion of a massive exit scam.
In the old system, people had choices. If you wanted to eat fistfuls of lasagna and turn into a 400 pound tub of lard, that was your own prerogative. In the future, when you eat something, your intestines - which will be lined with in-body nanosensors embedded in the tissues themselves - will automatically tattle to your NWO masters and tell them exactly how many calories you absorbed, and then, your food quota will be adjusted downwards until you reach Nutritional Compliance™. They will also look at your pulse and levels of physical exertion, and popups will appear in your visual field nagging you about your state-mandated daily hour of exercise.
The difference between the old order and the new order is metaphysical and meta-ethical. In the old system, you were a free agent. In the new one, you are reduced to an object acted upon by outside forces.
To understand what is happening, you have to go back to the Vienna Circle. It's the only way to even vaguely understand the intentions and the motivations of technocrats.
These people do not see the world the same way normal people do. I cannot stress this enough. People are hitting a wall, trying to analyze the intentions of the WEF and the purpose of the Great Reset, and concluding that it's some evil plot to seize tyrannical power. It certainly is that, but it doesn't stop there. It is, actually, an entire system of values, epistemological positions, and metaphysics that clashes with common wisdom to such a degree that it defies conventional analysis.
To think like a technocrat, you need to assume that morality and values aren't real things, but illusions manifested inside people's heads. So, what you're doing isn't evil, it's just inevitable progress.
If you can manipulate people's values by stuffing nanotechnology into their heads, then where do values originate from? The soul, or the brain? Do mental phenomena arise outside the body, or are they a merely function of the brain itself? All of these problems derive from one thing; the hard problem of consciousness.
We don't know what consciousness is, so we don't know what the mind and qualia actually are, so we don't know what values are, so we don't know why people value having money and the ability to choose different goods and services in a capitalist economy. Do you see how this works? It all goes back to consciousness. Strict materialists, like Yuval Noah Harari, believe humans have nothing like a soul, and that the mind is a product of physical phenomena in the brain. This has serious implications for how society is organized. If I can tweak something in someone's brain to make them consume less food, or less luxury goods, then why should society produce things for people if it's more efficient to pipe euphoria into their heads?
It's kind of a taboo topic. I used to troll neoliberal cornucopians all the time by telling them that money wasn't a real thing and it's all in their heads. I used to do this all the time. It never ceased to be totally, absolutely infuriating for them, and so, I kept doing it. I'd start threads on a forum I used to be quite infamous on, declare that money wasn't a real thing and that people work to obtain fake paper faces that only have value because everyone socially agrees that they do (i.e. their value is normative and not physical) and everyone would lose their fucking shit, every single time. It was amazing. Nobody likes thinking that they work a pointless job for absolutely nothing, even if it's totally true, and their job has no purpose, and their life has no purpose, and there's no reason for them to even exist at all.
Think of what the world looks like without human values. Money is just paper. Gold is just a shiny rock. A waterfall isn't nature's beauty at work, it's just some rock formation that eroded and let a river spill over it. Materialism is the assumption of a mindless and valueless world. Don't you see it, yet? They're trying to achieve the abolition of man. They want a world where morality has no purpose whatsoever, where nobody has to decide what's good or bad because things just happen automatically in an efficient, optimized way. They want to take human judgment, choice, and agency out of the picture entirely. You don't pay for things. That implies agency and choice, and choice is an illusion manufactured by people's brains. Instead, you receive a stipend of exactly how many calories your body needs, because the sensors in your body tell a data center how many calories you ate.
The eventual endgame of all of this is extracting people's brains from their bodies, shoving them into jars Mi-Go style, and forcing them to experience paradise, whether they like it or not.
Do people get it, now? Am I finally starting to make sense?
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@Drain Todger
I understand your points, and agree with a lot of them, having thought on them some. The philosophy of the elite represent a different mindset, alien to us hoi polloi scrabbling in the dirt to them. But I'd like to quibble a little over them. Just a little, if you don't mind.
There is the point on belief that I'd like to touch on that you mentioned. Mankind has sought to believe in something ever since he has evolved the capacity to think about his word. At first, it was spirits and primitive gods. Slowly, over time, man began to transfer belief to other things. Coins, words, language. We still believed in the supernatural, the godly, and the otherworldly. However, our belief in spirits, saints, fey, and gods had been replaced by faith in economics, politics, occultism, and psychology with the Enlightenment. And since the 19th century being when we murdered God, to paraphrase a certain German, that diffusion of belief has intensified. These technocrats have put their belief in their new religion, with its rites and rituals, it's holy words and taboos.
They have sought to create a framework for a new religion to replace all others. One which replaces the human with the machine, the mathematical yet pointless neatness with the flawed human messiness. You state it is philosophy to them, when it is a Silicon Age religion, where man has been bumped off the totem pole and is replaced with the silicon chip.
It reminds in fact of the Orphic mystery cults of the late Roman Empire. It was a transition between the paganism of the old Empire, and the monotheistic, Christian empire that followed.
This fetishized, totemic worship of technology is a response to an unparalleled time of troubles after a prosperous past, before an uncertain future, and in an unsteady present. It is a form of slavish worship to a band of theology dressed up as philosophy that may be only dimly compared to what comes after. At least, that is what I may perceive it as. A degenerate mystery cult run by elites who found their old religion too mundane, so they found something new to worship and devote themselves to.
I am likely just elaborating on your points but I had just thought on this some, and it struck me as all too possible.
And frankly damn them for it. I hope that it dies out in favor of a better faith, whether that be Christianity, or something that draws on it. We need the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to believe in, not the companies, the technocrats, and the algorithms.
I understand your points, and agree with a lot of them, having thought on them some. The philosophy of the elite represent a different mindset, alien to us hoi polloi scrabbling in the dirt to them. But I'd like to quibble a little over them. Just a little, if you don't mind.
There is the point on belief that I'd like to touch on that you mentioned. Mankind has sought to believe in something ever since he has evolved the capacity to think about his word. At first, it was spirits and primitive gods. Slowly, over time, man began to transfer belief to other things. Coins, words, language. We still believed in the supernatural, the godly, and the otherworldly. However, our belief in spirits, saints, fey, and gods had been replaced by faith in economics, politics, occultism, and psychology with the Enlightenment. And since the 19th century being when we murdered God, to paraphrase a certain German, that diffusion of belief has intensified. These technocrats have put their belief in their new religion, with its rites and rituals, it's holy words and taboos.
They have sought to create a framework for a new religion to replace all others. One which replaces the human with the machine, the mathematical yet pointless neatness with the flawed human messiness. You state it is philosophy to them, when it is a Silicon Age religion, where man has been bumped off the totem pole and is replaced with the silicon chip.
It reminds in fact of the Orphic mystery cults of the late Roman Empire. It was a transition between the paganism of the old Empire, and the monotheistic, Christian empire that followed.
This fetishized, totemic worship of technology is a response to an unparalleled time of troubles after a prosperous past, before an uncertain future, and in an unsteady present. It is a form of slavish worship to a band of theology dressed up as philosophy that may be only dimly compared to what comes after. At least, that is what I may perceive it as. A degenerate mystery cult run by elites who found their old religion too mundane, so they found something new to worship and devote themselves to.
I am likely just elaborating on your points but I had just thought on this some, and it struck me as all too possible.
And frankly damn them for it. I hope that it dies out in favor of a better faith, whether that be Christianity, or something that draws on it. We need the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to believe in, not the companies, the technocrats, and the algorithms.
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Make no mistake, the true Elites, the aristocratic overclass, have their own systems of faith, often of an occult nature. All that old mystery school business. This new faith is not for them. It's for the managerial caste underneath them, to guide a transition to a society where, eventually, the Managers themselves will be replaced with AI, and then be booted into the Underclass of helpless consoomer-serfs.
Scientism was only ever a stopgap measure. The purpose of it is to sanctify the Managerial State itself, and to create a Cult of Experts rooted in the professional-managerial class, which demands unflinching obedience from the citizenry.
The professional-managerial class are not the real elites. They have rather modest incomes by comparison to the CEOs and bankers and aristocrats they work for. No, their purpose, their job, is to manage assets, which includes managing human beings, which also includes demarcating certain kinds of people as assets, and others (populists and dissenters, primarily) as liabilities.
1984 doesn't even begin to describe it. These motherfuckers are going full-on Logan's Run on us.
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Once again, it's a few plausible ideas mixed with a whole bunch of technological nonsense.
I understand this might be what they want, what they believe can be done, because computers are magic to these people, and humans are obviously just the same as computers, so they can be magically rebuilt into compliant slaves if you just mutter the right incantations. Nanomachines! Singularity!
It's just not going to happen.
I understand this might be what they want, what they believe can be done, because computers are magic to these people, and humans are obviously just the same as computers, so they can be magically rebuilt into compliant slaves if you just mutter the right incantations. Nanomachines! Singularity!
It's just not going to happen.
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It will happen if the niggercattle continue on their lives like its nothing. Unless the system breaks (shit programming/the other people), it will either put us into Medieval Europe Feudalism, or old age Dark Ages, where no society has ruled and it goes full-on war.
I'll take the latter any day.
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They do seem to have a lot of the theory done for their nanomachine utopia. But fuck me if they'll manage to pull through this bullshit on a massive scale successfully. How hilarious it would be for them to find out that in some brains the chips don't work the same, in reverse or don't work at all. Not to mention the absurd shit they'd need for maintenance lol
Gotta look up that Delgado dude some more. That nigga was crazy.
It won't happen lol
It'd take them one century to implement their iChips with full complacency, another full century to achieve that compliance. All together in a soup of the most unexpected bullshit that'd happen along the way.
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Not their iChips, the other aspects of the Reset: Class segregation, confiscation of private property, renting and cashless payments, the things that are currently existing in other nations.
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But for how long and how much further can they force that bullshit until people finally snap?
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They unironically think they can do it. Not only that, it's the basis of a new arms race.
What the Pentagon and DARPA have convinced themselves (well, it's technically true) is that the PRC have very little in the way of ethical limitations preventing them from making supersoldiers/enhanced intel officers with 300 IQ, gene mods, and their brains linked to quantum computers or some science fiction bullshit like that. Therefore, if they don't conduct unethical research of their own, they will lose strategic surprise. As a result, there are millions and millions of dollars of military funding flowing into this exact kind of research; cutting-edge biotech and neuroscience. There are guys at the Aspen Institute's talks who are sitting around saying things like, "Oh yeah, we can totally make FOXDIE from MGS if we wanted to".
This stuff sounds crazy because there hasn't been any mainstream coverage of it at all. Armies of scientists and engineers are plugging away at weaponizing biotech and neuroscience like a modern-day Manhattan Project and nobody is fucking talking about it.
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First of all, their ultimate plan for the world would call for a sharp decline in the total population - we're talking from 7 billion down to 1 billion or so; in other words, that's a lot of test subjects to help perfect their craft.
Second:
In other words, if people are driven into a subsistence state, their expectations of day-to-day life begin to shrink to what they need to stay alive, more than anything else.
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And with whose army will they subject the 6 billion subjects lol
And it doesn't stop there. Just because you can force a bunch of dumbass city hivekins into a life of perpetual depression and self imposed ignorance not only does not mean that you won't be able to force that shit on someone who has a life, worse so, the have a lives will see through the bullshit long before you even get to them.
Folk like to say that covid proved how the elites are able to brainwash the masses.
What are you talking about? It is because of covid and all the forced mandated bullshit that even the morons have begun to distrust authority.
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It's never going to work. The technology isn't there. I know people who got vaxxed and they're no different than they were before. If that was supposed to be their first attempt at mind control it failed. You gravely overestimate the power of these people.
Edit: Not saying they won't try, but I am saying it's impossible. Consider for a moment how difficult it would be to make 8 billion people comply to such a procedure. Consider how much research and advancements in medical technology that would need to exist to make it possible for them to create a procedure that will work for every different brain on this planet. It's just not possible.
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Of course working mind control tech isn't in there right now. That's why COVID-19 is an endemic virus with endless vaccines, and with boosters required from now until the end of time in order to participate in society, so they can slip it into the formula when it's ready. Say, several years from now. Or a decade. Or two decades, if we're lucky.
People have very short attention spans. In late 2014, people panicked about Ebola for all of about one month. I even saw some people wandering around wearing masks, even though the risk of contracting Ebola in the US was nil. Then, it left the media cycle and everything went back to normal. By the following year, nobody remembered any of it.
By the time they're actually slipping mind control agents into the shots, everyone will have forgotten about all of this.
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By the 10 year mark, the only ones getting the shot will be the ones needing the least amount of mind control lol
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As our Captain mentions, the only people who will be complying will be the most brainwashed of the nigger cattle. Currently, in the US only just over 66% of people were willing to recieve even just one dose of the vaccine. 1/3 of the population refuses to be vaxxed and the number of vaccinations have begun to decline drastically. People are dumb, yes, but the powers that be have created a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation and most people no longer care about COVID.