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[Garbage.Theory]

Five will get you ten Ellie’s mum wouldn’t let her within twenty feet of Archie were he awake, well and acting like the little spaz he was.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Latest Court Document:

• Appeal was started due to statement that the Judge had not kept Archie's best interests BEYOND medical at heart.
• Medical Issues brought up
  • Archie's brain is dead to the point it doesn't tell his body to remove liquids via uriniation on it's own.
  • Archie's gut has failed to work without medical intervention for the same reason.
  • Archie requires almost hourly blood tests and intermittent blood transfusions.
  • Every function of his body is now done via mechanical or medicinal means.
  • There was secondary spinal cord damage.
    • "‘In fact, the secondary spinal cord damage which was discovered as a result of the MRI of the 31st May 2022 was likely to make breathing impossible and thus invalidated the apnoea test.’"
• Options being weighed were:
  • “Option 1”, (Trust) was for life-sustaining treatment to be withdrawn from Archie at an arranged time at which family members might be present and during which the process that would then follow would be supported by the presence of all the relevant medical personnel."
  • “Option 2”, (Hollie) is for the current life-sustaining treatment regime to be continued until such time as Archie’s body may give up and he would die, to use their word, “naturally” and, again to use the family’s phrase, at a time “chosen by God”.
• Hollie's barrister laid out 6 grounds to their appeal and the final hearing 7/25 he tried to tack on a 7th:
  • Ground 1
    • Judge failed to give any or adequate reasons for not accepting submissions made by the Appellants.
  • Ground 2
    • Judge failed to give proper effect or proper weight to Archie’s previously expressed wishes to be maintained on life support (clearly expressed in his conversation with his mother and brother and supported by wider evidence about Archie’s character and ethical views). This approach is wrong in law because it is in breach of the state’s positive obligation, is in breach of Archie’s Article 8 right to choose the manner of his death, is in breach of Archie’s rights and amounts to substituted decision-making on behalf of a disabled person.
  • Ground 3
    • Judge erred in making the following factual findings which materially affected his best interests determination which include finding, contrary to the factual evidence, that “there can be no hope at all of recovery”, accepting the expert evidence of Dr Playfor when this evidence was, as a result of subsequent developments confirmed by the Court of Appeal, entirely unreliable and accepting that Archie could not breathe as a result of damage to his brain.
  • Ground 4
    • Judge erred in fact and in law in holding that Archie’s LST was “burdensome”, was “futile” and “compromised his dignity, deprives him of his autonomy and becomes wholly inimical to his welfare”.
  • Ground 5
    • Judge failed to apply the well-established ‘strong presumption’ in favour of prolonging life and made a manifestly incorrect finding that Archie’s LST treatment served “only to protract his death whilst being unable to prolong his life”.
  • Ground 6 (This was not pursued when brought into question)
    • Judge made a procedural error in taking into account extraneous evidence he found “in the public domain”, which had not been properly admitted in the proceedings.
  • Ground 7 (Not properly put forth, but in the court document it was made into the new Ground 6)
    • Judge deems this "Parents’ Primary Ground"
    • Judge failed to give any real or proper weight to Archie’s previously expressed wishes and his religious beliefs, failed to give any real or proper weight to Archie’s family’s wishes and views as to the continuation of life sustaining treatment, failed to carry out a careful, clear and comprehensive evaluation of the benefits and burdens of the continuation of life sustaining treatment and In making his best interests determination, the Judge fell into error in concluding that Archie’s life sustaining treatment was: (i) burdensome; (ii) futile; (iii) compromising his dignity, depriving him of his autonomy and wholly inimical to his welfare.
      • This is how the judge stated his feelings of this:
        • "Mr Devereux, who did not appear below and who had been instructed after the proposed grounds of appeal and supporting skeleton argument had been filed, in presenting the parents’ case at the oral hearing, chose to devote the entirety of his address to the court to a further ground of appeal which, whilst not expressly pleaded as an amendment to the Notice of Appeal."
      • This was how the barrister stated his feelings of this:
        • "Mr Justice Hayden’s decision was driven almost wholly by Archie’s medical best interests and not by a careful, clear, understandable and comprehensive evaluation of Archie’s best interests in the widest sense."
• Apelleate Response to Grounds:
  • Ground 1 & 2
    • Denied with no prospect of success and without foundation:
      • Cases presented to support were with adults not children and one case was invalid since the decisions are made on an individual basis. The disability rights were deemed beyond the scope since this is not a case of a disabled child.
  • Ground 3
    • Denied due to letter from barrister stating Hollie accepted her son had no hope of recovery.
      • Barrister was fighting that Trust had told them there was a 1% chance a healthy adult would "recovery" meaning moving to persistive vegative or minimally conscious state.
    • Appellate states that even if he moved up the coma scale all medical records state he still would be dead in a few weeks.
  • Ground 4
    • Denied.
      • "The judge was entitled to find that the treatment carried a burden for Archie, even though he has no capacity to experience pain and no conscious awareness"
  • Ground 5
    • Denied due to their intepretation being not tenable and wrong.
  • Parents’ Primary Ground
    • Judge's thoughts:
      • "There can be no hope at all of recovery. Archie’s mum, in particular, but the family more generally, recoil from this terrible reality. Nobody criticises them in any way for this. When it comes to evaluating the medical evidence, they have been ambushed by their emotions and overwhelmed by an intensity of grief that has compromised their objectivity."
    • Barrister says the judge should have taken these 7 factors into account when deeming life support should be ended.
      • The presumption in favour of prolonging life
      • Archie's wishes and feelings
      • Archie’s religious beliefs and values
      • Family’s wishes and beliefs
      • Fact that Archie does not experience pain
      • Benefit of allowing Archie to die at a random time and in a natural way
      • Prospect of there being some limited recovery.
• Conclusion
  • "Permission to appeal can only be granted on the parents’ new ground of appeal if there is a real prospect of it being shown that the judge’s decision was unjust because of a serious procedural irregularity arising from the manner in which he approached the decision and expressed his reasoning. After a detailed examination, I do not accept that there is any prospect of the decision being shown to be wrong or unjust, whether for procedural reasons or otherwise. The new ground of appeal relates only to matters of form and raises no matter of true substance."

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

Can someone explain that too me in tard terms I'm dumb. Is that good or bad.

 

[Blanche]

Hollie looks like a man and I would not have sex with her

 

[A tree]

Can someone explain that too me in tard terms I'm dumb. Is that good or bad.

All the points they bought their appeal on were trivial and would not have made any meaningful bearing on the judgment.
There was no legal flaw in the previous judgment and no new evidence so the appeal was denied on the grounds that it had no reasonable prospect of success.

 

[Bishbashbosh]

The mentality of the army huns...
What's a 9 year old doing on Facebook anyway?View attachment 3528041View attachment 3528042View attachment 3528044

Sorry wtaf! A women is actively encouraging her child to write letters to Archie and watch his videos! How is her daughter going to feel when the switch Archie’s machine sigh!
But more disturbingly who the hell is the woman who wants gold his face, kiss him and whisper in his ear! If some stranger said that about my child I would be deeply deeply disturbed! Where do these people come from!!!

 

[Any Fucker]

The British press are being very sympathetic right now but there's no way they don't know about the stuff on here. As soon as the kid dies they'll start swooping like vultures. You'll see little snippets here and there, and as soon as public opinion starts to change then all the trashy shit will come out.

Sheridan Smith will be playing Hollie in a shit ITV documentary this time next year.


This is exactly the kind of thing they pick up on. See also Karen Matthews, that weird poundshop Hulk Hogan dude who set fire to his kids, etc etc

There's someone in DFA who was fundraising for them until it all went sour and is being threatened by them now.

She said she'd been contacted by two journalists within hours of posting but appears to have deleted that thread now...

 

[A tree]

There's someone in DFA who was fundraising for them until it all went sour and is being threatened by them now.

She said she'd been contacted by two journalists within hours of posting but appears to have deleted that thread now...

The British press makes Kiwifarms look like the height of professional journalism. There's no way they're not ready to swing into action once it's all over. The story is just too juicy and there's still the inquest to come.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I think the chances are the poor suffering kid will die before all the court bullshit is finished. There is just too much minute by minute hour by hour intervention needed to stave it off. He can't process nutrients and is losing fluid balance. That can't go on indefinitely. By all reports is he steadily deteriorating. In some ways the Hospital and Caregivers are kind of idiots in this. The mother is insisting that they stop pharmacological intervention (because she's a loony tune who claims they are sedating him). Okie Dokie! That would essentially put him on Palliative Care and he would die within a day or two. Why exactly is everybody fighting that?

As far as Mom, and while it is grossly inapropriate in a thread about a dying kid, but this is after all Kiwifarms, everytime I look at Hollie I see this.

 

[Any Fucker]

The British press makes Kiwifarms look like the height of professional journalism. There's no way they're not ready to swing into action once it's all over. The story is just too juicy and there's still the inquest to come.

Yeah

Notice the liberal use of quotation marks for unverified info, which the majority just read as fact

 

[Sociopathic Smeghead]

@GenociderSyo, apologies but I can't quote your post directly.

"There was secondary spinal cord damage."

Hmm, well that's incredibly interesting. Would a medifag be able to explain if hanging can cause a secondary spinal cord injury to that extent (I suppose, if the ligature was clumsily placed at the top of his spinal cord as he fell)? Or did Hollie really "cut him down" from the eight foot drop? Because I feel as if, even given the initial drop from the bannister, it wouldn't necessarily be enough force to damage his spine to that degree. But I'm not medically trained so perhaps I am wrong.

Even the court judgements note that asphyxiation is likely to be the primary cause of his brain death, so he would have suffocated to death-ish, not snapped his neck and suffered paralysis. To me, the initial hanging doesn't indicate enough force to cause a spinal injury of that volume.

If true, because this story changes like the weather, who in their right mind would cut the ligature off their hanging child and let them drop eight feet? Surely, as a mother, your first instinct would be to drag your child back over the railings, not faff around with finding an object sharp enough to cut the ligature.

Shit isn't adding up and more alarm bells are starting to ring by the second. I'm not saying that she killed Archie, the kid was clearly depressed, but something isn't right.

Edit: I'm a moron and have just realised that his spinal cord injury may be related to his brain herniating into his upper spinal cord after arriving at the hospital. If this is the case, please ignore my autistic take

 

[Kirajyu]

So this may or may not be something of interest. You can use certain websites to look at crime reports in a certain area. And it looks like (over the past 12 months) to have been quite a significant amount of crimes reported in the area "around" where this family lives.

The blue circle is google maps and the yellow circle is from one of these websites.

Obviously there seems to be some kind of correlation.........

I just thought it interesting.

Could mean nothing of course.......

 

[Skullshatterer]

They're giving blood transfusions to the corpse? But with the last ruling it means no more appeals can be done, right? It is finally over?

I think the chances are the poor suffering kid will die before all the court bullshit is finished. There is just too much minute by minute hour by hour intervention needed to stave it off. He can't process nutrients and is losing fluid balance. That can't go on indefinitely. By all reports is he steadily deteriorating. In some ways the Hospital and Caregivers are kind of idiots in this. The mother is insisting that they stop pharmacological intervention (because she's a loony tune who claims they are sedating him). Okie Dokie! That would essentially put him on Palliative Care and he would die within a day or two. Why exactly is everybody fighting that?

As far as Mom, and while it is grossly inapropriate in a thread about a dying kid, but this is after all Kiwifarms, everytime I look at Hollie I see this.

The likeness is uncanny, however Jack Tyler is infinitely without a doubt a better mother.

 

[WonderWino]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/doctors-stop-providing-life-support-115100913.html

She's not going to be pleased about this

 

[Kirajyu]

They're giving blood transfusions to the corpse? But with the last ruling it means no more appeals can be done, right? It is finally over?

The likeness is uncanny, however Jack Tyler is infinitely without a doubt a better mother.

They have 48 hours to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights....which will likely just be denied. I think we find out their decision on Wednesday....the ruling will likely be carried out "execution order" ironically within another 48 hours.

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

Why exactly is everybody fighting that?

Likely because this wouldn't be the most dignified way for Archie to die.

So if they completely remove life sustaining treatments, they would turn off the monitoring equipment first, disconnect him from his IV medications, remove his feeding tube, and then lastly remove his breathing tube. His heart would stop beating within a minute or so, and he wouldn't be connected to anything so he would just look peaceful and asleep.

If they take Hollie's route of just stopping medications, he would still be connected to everything including monitoring.
At some point, his kidneys would dump a bunch of fluid out and his blood pressure would drop. He would likely also lose a bunch of salts that are important for his heart's functioning. His heart will struggle, and would change into a lethal rhythm, and eventually stop. The family, as is natural in all families who sit with a loved one in ICU, will fixate on the alarming monitor rather than focussing on their child.
The ventilator however, would be chugging away pushing air in and out of his corpse until his Nurse turns it off a few moments later.
He would die connected to everything, his face obscurced with tubes and tapes.

He would then need to have everything left attached to his body for transport to the Coroner. The family's last memories of Archie will be in this state.

Which of these scenarios would you prefer for Archie?

 

[GenociderSyo]

It's insane in a way that one cult got jail for desecrating a corpse by putting christmas lights all over it. Yet with the fact this child is declared dead they just are doing the same only not with fancy lights but monkey dolls.

 

[Do I Look Foolish]

The British press makes Kiwifarms look like the height of professional journalism. There's no way they're not ready to swing into action once it's all over. The story is just too juicy and there's still the inquest to come.

Not really been following this until I clicked the thread, but yeah the press will be waiting for something to happen with the money (like she fucks off to Ibiza for a month) before they pounce. They know they have to play it cool while everything is above board and especially while the kid is still 'alive' (plus a probable grace period of a few weeks after they pull the plug).

 

[Catmannjew]

I enjoyed her comment of willing to do fundraising for the NHS, while having several gfm and other donations milking the her son's death.

 

[HeinzBeanz]

If true, because this story changes like the weather, who in their right mind would cut the ligature off their hanging child and let them drop eight feet? Surely, as a mother, your first instinct would be to drag your child back over the railings, not faff around with finding an object sharp enough to cut the ligature

Maybe I'm imagining it wrong, but I'm picturing the banister as being a waist-high wall with wooden dowels that leads to a staircase. If Archie tied the cord to the top railing and made it short enough, it's possible she could have reached down from the second floor and grabbed him under the arms to hoist back over.

But if he attached the cord to the wooden dowels so it was anchored at the bottom of the banister, she would have only been able to reach a couple of feet and maybe touch his head.

So the way I pictured it is that if she approached from the top bedroom and found him, she could either pull up on the cord to get him up or grab him by the head, both of which would cause more injuries. If she came home from the bottom floor and found him hanging, she would only be able to reach his waist or so. The smart thing to do would be to get a ladder and hold him while you cut the cord, but if no ladder is available, I think cutting the cord and letting him fall feet first would be better than pulling on the cord or body and tightening the knot. But I guess it doesn't matter cause he prob would be just as dead regardless.