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[not very concrete]

Commenters inform army that this would have caused an immediate alarm

I'm just shocked that there are nurses on the group supposedly supporting Hollie

 

[Brenda Tits]

I'm just shocked that there are nurses on the group supposedly supporting Hollie

A lot of people say they're nurses when they're actually care-workers though.

 

[SkitterNimbus]

I'm just shocked that there are nurses on the group supposedly supporting Hollie

The lack of intelligence from the nurses in AA is genuinely worrying. They don’t use correct grammar, punctuation and spelling. Like, I don’t expect perfectly written essays but I’m not sure how much I’d trust a nurse that doesn’t know the difference between to and too or you and you’re. Basic stuff.

 

[Fred the bald Eagle 1]

A lot of people say they're nurses when they're actually care-workers though.

Yep it’s common. Met some bloke once told me he was a nurse, nope. Worked with asylum seekers in their hospital unit, but mainly labelled blood samples. Apparently saying he was “a nurse” was easier for us simpletons to understand than what he actually did.

 

[SlaanyChaser]

Minor PL: After having worked with nurses and dealing with their inane questions and inability to properly read labs, I'm genuinely concerned for my wellbeing if I ever get hospitalized.
Bitches not knowing proper measurements or calculations and just ask their nurse FB groups what to do all the time.

 

[not very concrete]

BBC just reported that the family has failed to convince the Supreme Court to intervene

Can't find an article on this yet though, also was under the impression that they'd have to go to the ECHR now?

 

[LucyP]

"As for a Post Mortem, no not to establish cause of death. But if necessary the police can ask for a forensic PM if they need evidence for e.g signs of ongoing physical abuse."

Not in this case. That only applies to suspicious deaths. There is/will be nothing suspicious about this death. The death will be a direct result of the hospital withdrawing life support following an order of the High Court. There is nothing less suspicious than that.

With respect. You need to abandon the "physical abuse" element. Even if true, it is not relevant, and is a blind alley that is not going to be entered.

Someone has just posted that (if true) the Supreme Court have refused what I assume was permission to appeal to the UN, unsurprisingly. The same person asked if they would now go to the ECHR. I think the answer is no. Firstly, they were given 24 hours to go to the ECHR, but as someone reported on here, earlier in the day, by posting a press release by the Christian Legal Centre, they do not want to go to the ECHR, because of their track record of refusing such cases. They preferred the UN route, which it seems hasn't worked. Therefore time has run out. They would need an extension of the stay so that they can now try the ECHR. Would they even get that extension, given that they got it yesterday but used it for the UN not the ECHR, and in any event they don't have any faith in the ECHR, so would they want to change their position and now give it a go, knowing that it is pointless, because they know that it will be refused, because this case is no different from the previous ones that the ECHR have refused?

I think agreeing a timetable for withdrawal of life support will be impossible, as it was with Evans, and the hospital will be back to HHJ Hayden to set a timetable for withdrawal, as also happened in Evans, and resulted in the circus, security and police attendance at the hospital.

Can I just politely remind people that the date and time of death will be recorded as when it happens once life support is withdrawn. That will likely be a date in August. He will not be recorded as having died earlier. HHJ Arbuthnot made that mistake and the Court of Appeal reversed that part of her Judgment.

 

[GenociderSyo]

BBC just reported that the family has failed to convince the Supreme Court to intervene

Can't find an article on this yet though, also was under the impression that they'd have to go to the ECHR now?

They screwed around instead of going to ECHR attempting to fight that allowing them ONLY 24 more hours to go to echr was keeping them from finding other avenues.

https://archive.ph/3P2tj

 

[Niuhp]

"Oi, mate? You got a loiscense for them there pictures?"



It's hardly 'urgency', it's been three months. The hail-Mary appeals to foreign bodies to intervene are not really supposed to be part of the process.

Besides that, it's fucking gross. I'm not really sure what word I want here, something like 'indecent' or 'offensive'. Being expensive is one thing, but there's a whole level of general 'ick' that goes along with a machine that's forcing air into the lungs of a corpse.

It's.... I can't put my finger on it. But I feel some sort of way about them doing that, and I would like them to stop as soon as possible, please and thank you.

I think the word you're looking for is perverse. For Archie, the natural progression of human death and decomposition has been perverted by his mother and her delusions. The state he's in now is extremely unnatural and unsettling because he's obviously dead, and Hollie's interactions read as her playing with a corpse. I get a similar 'ick' feeling whenever I look back over the Jahi thread.

I think they're gonna have to get the Riot Squad in when they eventually unplug.

The UK is infested with these types of people. Nobody knows what to do with them.

The UK is also going through a heatwave right now so they're probably more volatile and frustrated than usual. Aircon isn't standard and the infrastructure was not built with high heats in mind. Archie's a redirect that a lot of them can pretend to feel righteous about while looking for a fight to scratch the itch.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

They screwed around instead of going to ECHR attempting to fight that allowing them ONLY 24 more hours to go to echr was keeping them from finding other avenues.
https://archive.ph/3P2tj

What nonsense will they come up with tomorrow? They want done for contempt of court at this point.

 

[not very concrete]

"As for a Post Mortem, no not to establish cause of death. But if necessary the police can ask for a forensic PM if they need evidence for e.g signs of ongoing physical abuse."

Not in this case. That only applies to suspicious deaths. There is/will be nothing suspicious about this death. The death will be a direct result of the hospital withdrawing life support following an order of the High Court. There is nothing less suspicious than that.

With respect. You need to abandon the "physical abuse" element. Even if true, it is not relevant, and is a blind alley that is not going to be entered.

There could be, seems likely given it was not a natural death, an inquest into the death which would likely involve looking into the circumstances of how he got to the hospital to begin with. I wonder if the whole TikTok challenge would be investigated as part of that

Here's a good document which explains what happens after a child dies, including when autopsies are done

Here is an example of an inquest into a 14 year-old girl's suicide which led to a report on how the mental health services failed her and implementations of changes

 

[GenociderSyo]

What nonsense will they come up with tomorrow? They want done for contempt of court at this point.

Deadline was 2pm today so far as I know it should mean that the plan goes into motion for removal of ventilation, but nothing has been said by the court that i've heard.

 

[Treasure Champs]

Here's an article. Someone is already on it, archived the minute it went up apparently.

Archie Battersbee: Family fail to persuade Supreme Court to block withdrawal of life support​

Archie Battersbee has been unconscious since being found with a ligature over his head in April.
The parents of Archie Battersbee - the 12-year-old boy left in a comatose state after suffering brain damage - have failed in their bid to persuade the Supreme Court to intervene in his life-support treatment battle.
They had asked Supreme Court justices to give them more time to carry on their fight.
Ms Dance and Mr Battersbee, who are separated but both live in Southend, Essex, want the United Nations to consider the case after losing life-support treatment fights in London courts.
They appealed to Supreme Court justices on Thursday to block hospital bosses from withdrawing life support treatment until they have had time to make an application to the UN.
But three justices at the Supreme Court refused to give the family permission to appeal.
A Supreme Court spokeswoman said the court had received "an urgent permission to appeal (PTA) application" from Archie's parents earlier in the day.
"They were seeking a stay of the Court of Appeal’s decision to allow withdrawal of life-support treatment from their child.
“Aware of the urgency of this matter, the court convened a panel of three justices who considered submissions from the parties ‘on paper’, in the usual way.
“Having considered the careful judgment of the Court of Appeal delivered by Sir Andrew MacFarlane (president of the Family Division) and the application for permission to appeal the Court of Appeal’s decision in relation to the stay, the panel has refused permission to appeal to the Supreme Court.”
Paul Battersbee and Hollie DanceCredit: Victoria Jones/PA
Archie’s parents say the UN has a protocol which allows “individuals and families” to make complaints about violations of disabled people’s rights.
They say the UN could ask the UK government to delay the withdrawal of life support to Archie while a complaint is investigated.

What's happened this week?
Appeal court judges on Monday upheld a ruling that Archie's life support treatment could lawfully be stopped, after the health trust caring for him asked the court to rule on his best interests.
His family had asked for a postponement to the hearing after Archie's father had a suspected heart attack shortly before the hearing and gone to hospital. He has now been released.
Lawyers representing Archie’s parents then asked appeal judges to “stay” - or delay - the end of treatment to allow time for to consider applying to the European Court of Human Rights (EHCR) in Strasbourg, France, which was granted until 2pm on Thursday.
The Christian group representing the family, Christian Legal Centre, claimed this "stay" prevented the family from applying to the UN - which is Archie's parents' preferred option.
They had asked the Supreme Court to "stay the execution of the order which authorises withdrawal of life support from Archie,” a spokesman said.
“This is to enable the parents to take their case to the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities.”
Archie Battersbee has been unconscious since being found with a ligature over his head in April.Credit: PA
He added: “The UK has joined the Optional Protocol to the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, which gives individuals a right to complain about any violations of the Convention to the UN Committee.
“The committee has previously criticised the UK system of authorising withdrawal of life support from disabled people based on the court determination of their best interests rather than on their own wishes.
“The family’s lawyers will argue that, by making a stay which only allowed an application under the ECHR, the Court of Appeal wrongly subjected the family to pressure not to adopt one international human rights procedure over another.”
[IMG alt="Hollie Dance, Archie Battersbee's mother, speaking outside the Royal Courts of Justice.
Credit: PA"]https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm7...26.jpg?fm=jpg&fit=fill&w=320&h=180&q=80[/IMG]

'He is too good to give up on' - Archie's mum speaks out after appeal rejected​

[IMG alt="Hollie Dance and Archie Battersbee.
Credit: Hollie Dance."]https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm7...ie.jpg?fm=jpg&fit=fill&w=320&h=180&q=80[/IMG]
EXCLUSIVE

'Archie, don't leave me': The inside story of a mum's fight for her son's life​

What happened to Archie Battersbee?
Archie suffered “catastrophic” brain damage in an accident at home three months ago.
His mother found Archie unconscious with a ligature over his head on 7 April. She thinks he may have been taking part in an online challenge.
The youngster has not regained consciousness.
Doctors treating Archie at the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, east London, think he is “brain-stem dead” and say continued life support treatment is not in his best interests.
Archie’s parents disagree and say his heart is beating, and are being supported by the campaign group the Christian Legal Centre.
Lawyers representing the Royal London Hospital’s governing trust, Barts Health NHS Trust, had asked for decisions about what medical moves are in Archie’s best interests.
Another High Court judge, Mrs Justice Arbuthnot, initially considered the case and concluded, after an earlier hearing, that Archie was dead.
But Court of Appeal judges upheld a challenge by Archie’s parents against decisions taken by Mrs Justice Arbuthnot and said the evidence should be reviewed.
At a second hearing, Mr Justice Hayden said evidence shows Archie suffered a “significant injury” to “multiple areas” of his brain and had not “regained awareness at any time”. He said the reality of Archie’s case was “terrible”.
But his family also appealed that decision arguing that Mr Justice Hayden had not given “real or proper weight” to the wishes and religious beliefs of Archie or his family, and had failed to carry out a “comprehensive evaluation” of the benefits and burdens of continuing life-support treatment - an appeal rejected by the Court of Appeal on Monday.

 

[GenociderSyo]

As I posted this the offical court document came out:
Article
Archive

No more stays allowed.

"This afternoon, 28th July 2022, the Supreme Court received an urgent Permission to Appeal (PTA) application in the case of Archie Battersbee.

The parents of Archie Battersbee filed their application to appeal to the Supreme Court earlier today. They were seeking a stay of the Court of Appeal’s decision to allow withdrawal of life–support treatment from their child.

Aware of the urgency of this matter, the Court convened a panel of three Justices who considered submissions from the parties ‘on paper’, in the usual way.

Having considered the careful judgment of the Court of Appeal delivered by Sir Andrew MacFarlane (President of the Family Division) and the application for permission to appeal the Court of Appeal’s decision in relation to the stay, the panel has refused permission to appeal to the Supreme Court.

The full text of the Court's order, including the reasons for this decision is below.

Full text of the order: Dance and another (Appellants) v Barts Health NHS Trust and another (Respondents)

UKSC 2022/0115

Before: Lord Hodge, Lord Kitchin, Lord Stephens

AFTER CONSIDERATION of the application filed on behalf of the Appellant seeking permission to appeal the order made by the Court of Appeal on 27 July 2022.

THE COURT ORDERED that permission to appeal be REFUSED for the attached reasons.

Reasons

Lord Hodge, the Deputy President of the Supreme Court, Lord Kitchin and Lord Stephens have considered the application for permission to appeal the decision of the Court of Appeal, who have refused permission to appeal to that court, not to grant a longer stay of the orders of Haydon J dated 15 July 2022 which will result in the withdrawal of life–sustaining treatment from Archie Battersbee.

The panel has great sympathy with the plight of Archie’s devoted parents and recognises the emotional pain which they are suffering. But, having considered the careful judgment of the Court of Appeal delivered by Sir Andrew MacFarlane, President of the Family Division and the application for permission to appeal the Court of Appeal’s decision in relation to the stay, the panel refuses permission to appeal.

The panel is satisfied that (if the Supreme Court has jurisdiction to hear this application – a matter on which the panel has not been addressed) the application does not raise an arguable point of law that the Court of Appeal has fallen into error in exercising its discretion in the way in which it did."

 

[Murder Bunny]

Deadline was 2pm today so far as I know it should mean that the plan goes into motion for removal of ventilation, but nothing has been said by the court that i've heard.

The Court was desperately trying days ago to agree to a very bare framework about what would happen if things didn't go Hollie's way to keep things from becoming even more undignified. IIRC, the Court got no useful response.

 

[LucyP]

not very concrete - Please can I politely ask you to re-read what I posted. If you want some further evidence then google John Allman - Alfie Evans. Allman interfered in the Evans case and tried to stop his cremation in the High Court. He challenged the Liverpool Coroner who correctly stated that no inquest was required. Allman also asked the High Court to order an inquest because he claimed that Evans was being detained by the State, and in such circumstances (e.g. prisoners) an inquest is required. Amusingly, the Judge had written a text-book on coroners' proceedings, and quoted from his own book, to Allman, as to why an inquest was not required. Allman has a copy of the Judgment and his correspondence with the coroner on his wordpress website.

 

[not very concrete]

not very concrete - Please can I politely ask you to re-read what I posted. If you want some further evidence then google John Allman - Alfie Evans. Allman interfered in the Evans case and tried to stop his cremation in the High Court. He challenged the Liverpool Coroner who correctly stated that no inquest was required. Allman also asked thed High Court to order an inquest because he claimed that Evans was being detained by the State, and in such circumstances (e.g. prisoners) an inquest is required. Amusingly, the Judge had written a text-book on coroners' proceedings, and quoted from his own book, to Allman, as to why an inquest was not required. Allman has a copy of the Judgment and his correspondence with the coroner on his wordpress website.

Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard are completely different cases where no inquest was required because the cause of death was very straightforward and the circumstances to them being in the hospital were also very straightforward. This is a child who tried to hang himself, or hanged himself because of some online challenge or his bunny tripping him up or whatever else Hollie has said, hence why people have been talking about the likelihood of an inquest happening

 

[Treasure Champs]

Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard are completely different cases where no inquest was required because the cause of death was very straightforward and the circumstances to them being in the hospital were also very straightforward. This is a child who tried to hang himself, or hanged himself because of some online challenge or his bunny tripping him up or whatever else Hollie has said, hence why people have been talking about the likelihood of an inquest happening

Concur. We've been over this in the tard baby thread, before this person was even a member. Unnatural deaths ("tik tok challenges" AND suicides) generate inquests in Britbong land. Dying of a known illness in a hospital does not.

 

[KingFrampt]

Concur. We've been over this in the tard baby thread, before this person was even a member. Unnatural deaths ("tik tok challenges" AND suicides) generate inquests in Britbong land. Dying of a known illness in a hospital does not.

From some random article about police investigating the circumstances back in April, looks like a shitty local tabloid but that's to be expected considering the British get their news from shitty local tabloids

link - They said: “We were called to concerns for the welfare of a boy by colleagues in the ambulance service at an address in Alton Gardens shortly before 4.15pm Thursday 7 April.

“We remained at the scene to support our ambulance service colleagues.

“The boy remains in hospital and we are continuing to support his family.

They added: “We have been carrying out enquiries to establish the circumstances which led up to this incident and these are ongoing.”

I would say there's probably a possibility of an inquest happening, has it been too long though? You'd think so

The tone these newfags take like it hasn't been discussed tenfold is really annoying, but what more can you expect from people coming from youtube comments

 

[LucyP]

Archie Battersbee's death is not a suicide. It might had he not been revived, but he was and an output from his heart was obtained. I already said that HHJ Arbuthnot made the same mistake and the Court of Appeal reversed that. I already said that his date of death will be when the life support is withdrawn. The cause of death will be as a result of a catastrophic hypoxic brain injury. There will be no coroner's inquest. There will be no verdict. There will be no mention of the word suicide.

With respect, if you disagree, please look up the law on coroner's inquests and the leading textbooks and show me what grounds there are at law that require an inquest in this case.