Horrorcow Hollie Dance / Lisa Pittaway / Ella Carter / Archie Battersbee / Lauren Summers/ Dignity For All / Archie's Army / Spread The Purple Wave - The Mama Nails of Essex, Her Whiteknights, and Her A-Logs

[not very concrete]

Don't know whether it was mentioned but DFA seems to have started their own private group:

 

[A tree]

Yes, very strange. Another thing that I think is odd is the way so many people say it's so sad that such an awful thing happened to such a beautiful boy. It makes me wonder, had he been just another child, the kind that get bullied for their looks, (or lack of) and had no particular talent, would they have been so upset?

It's maddie mccann syndrome. Cute blonde white kid is a bigger loss than any other type of kid. Not to be a total SJW about it but although the army have picked up Tafeeda Raquib's case now there wasn't a public outcry on anything like the same level at the time that case was active.
I always thought the case of Nazaneen zaquari radcliffe would have played out very differently if she'd been a blonde lady called Linda Smith.

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

The way the emphasised the last two as if they’re mediocre drugs that get given to all bed-ridden patients

They kind of are though, the dalteparin is a type of heparin and you'll find a huge majority of hosptial patients will be charted this (or some other Heparin). This is simply because being unwell makes anyone more prone to clots.

Spoiler: DVT sperg

So in order to form a clot like a DVT (deep vein thrombosis, but this applies to any type of clot) you need to have one or more of Virchow's triad involved.

Everyone who is in hospital ends up with some level of immobility, simply because when you're in hospital you just tend to not get up and about like you would at home (this is also why it's a problem for long flights/car rides).
Additionally, most patients have some level of inflammation just due to being unwell - think cancer, infection, post surgery.

So the vast majority of patients will have at least one risk factor for clots.

As for the PPI (Omeprazole), it's also very common especially in Surgical patients. Like I said, any kind of physiological stress on the body will make you prone to gut ulcers. They can also help with nausea and poor appetite.

 

[Fred the bald Eagle 1]

I always thought the case of Nazaneen zaquari radcliffe would have played out very differently if she'd been a blonde lady called Linda Smith.

Nazanin’s issue was not her colouring, but more the fact she was an Iranian citizen travelling on an Iranian passport.

Iran doesn’t recognise dual citizenship, so as far as they were concerned Britain had no diplomatic role. Even if they did, she was Iranian on Iranian soil, so is subject to the same laws as any other Iranian citizen.

We couldn’t go storming in claiming they had imprisoned a British citizen, embassy, diplomatic incident, because they hadn’t. All we could do is ask politely could we have her back please. And they had every right to say no, she’s Iranian, so she’s ours to put in prison if we want.

If she had been a brown lady but travelling on a British passport, we’d have had the power to actually do something.

 

[Spunt]

There will probably be an inquest, but I don't see the result being anything but what they call an "open verdict" (coroner-speak for "I dunno lol") because whilst his injuries were almost certainly self-inflicted, there's no way of telling if he intended to kill himself, Tik-Tok challenge or not (and I strongly believe not). That's the usual outcome when a child dies of self-inflicted injuries without leaving a clear motivation (suicide note or similar). If he just intended to scare his mum, or it was a cry for help or attention, then it's not a suicide (and would be "accidental death" or "misadventure" depending on the details). Afaik there's no clear evidence to choose between that and a deliberate suicide and I would be amazed if there was any other outcome.

What nobody has mentioned as far as I've seen is a Serious Case Review. This has to be held by the Local Authority's Children's Social Care department, by law, whenever a child on their books dies in any suspicious circumstances (i.e. it wasn't a disease or an obvious accident). There's several mentions of Archie having a Social Care file open at the time of his death and several visits by social workers. Whilst the ultimate aim of an SCR is to see if Social Care could have done anything differently, it will also be the place where any issues relating to abuse or neglect will be examined. Usually only the Abstract of an SCR is published but it may be possible to get a copy of the full thing under Freedom of Information legislation. The Data Protection Act doesn't apply to the dead, so there will probably be some disclosable information and a strong public interest argument in releasing it. If you want to find out what was going on in that house before Archie's death, the SCR is the most likely route to getting it.

 

[A tree]

Nazanin’s issue was not her colouring, but more the fact she was an Iranian citizen travelling on an Iranian passport.

Iran doesn’t recognise dual citizenship, so as far as they were concerned Britain had no diplomatic role. Even if they did, she was Iranian on Iranian soil, so is subject to the same laws as any other Iranian citizen.

We couldn’t go storming in claiming they had imprisoned a British citizen, embassy, diplomatic incident, because they hadn’t. All we could do is ask politely could we have her back please. And they had every right to say no, she’s Iranian, so she’s ours to put in prison if we want.

If she had been a brown lady but travelling on a British passport, we’d have had the power to actually do something.

I'm not talking about the legal issue. I'm talking about how much public outcry/synpathy there was. How much traction these things get with the permanently outraged people who read the express and mail.
My unscientific observation was that only the leftiest lefties cared.

 

[not very concrete]

Yes, very strange. Another thing that I think is odd is the way so many people say it's so sad that such an awful thing happened to such a beautiful boy. It makes me wonder, had he been just another child, the kind that get bullied for their looks, (or lack of) and had no particular talent, would they have been so upset?

I think they would have been upset because they probably have nothing better to do. I think a lot of them probably got roped in by the possibility of recovery when it all began, and it's nice to be part of that type of story and community because there can be a happy ending. Of course, success now seems unlikely so the best they can do is post the stupidest shit to get compliments and encouragement from one another. I don't think they have any motivation to be turning up to the hospital, hence why the suggestion seems to be that Hollie should barricade herself in because it would provide them some entertainment and false hope of sorts

You have to remember that the actual general public interest in this appears to be low, probably because there's really nothing you can be outraged about here when the child has been reported to be brain damaged with no hope of recovery. I think whatever Christian organisation is behind the scenes helping Hollie is probably landing her all of these interviews with bigger press

Kids normally get a lot of attention by the media and the public because it tends to pull at heart strings or cause outrage. They don't necessarily have to be blonde, white or pretty. There have been a few cases where refugee kids washed up dead on shores and it got a lot of attention and sympathy, including being front-page news and even semi-nice stories from The Mail

 

[Allo Vera]

Yes, very strange. Another thing that I think is odd is the way so many people say it's so sad that such an awful thing happened to such a beautiful boy. It makes me wonder, had he been just another child, the kind that get bullied for their looks, (or lack of) and had no particular talent, would they have been so upset?

There is always, ALWAYS a preference for white, blonde-haired, conventionally cute kids when it comes to stories like this. If Archie had been black or Asian he would not have had such a huge social media following of dumb Brit women.

Having said that, being white and working class is so integral to Archie’s family refusing to accept that he’s dead and wanting to fight the authorities.

I can only think of one case like this involving a non-white child and that was Tafida Raqeeb, also a brain injured patient at the Royal London Hospital. She didn’t have a Facebook army because she was too Bangladeshi. The parents won their case and took her to Italy in 2019, where she remains to this day. Going by the mother’s rose-tinted description of her, she’s still a a potato.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60839972.amp

Edit: shit, sorry @A tree for repeating the point you’d already made.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Now shes looking to buy a rottweiler because Archie supposedly was going to on his own:

She's going to spend all her time with him yet do tons of interviews:

And yea your 8 and now 12 year old would want this posted publicly...

 

[LucyP]

"What nobody has mentioned as far as I've seen is a Serious Case Review. This has to be held by the Local Authority's Children's Social Care department, by law, whenever a child on their books dies in any suspicious circumstances (i.e. it wasn't a disease or an obvious accident)."

As I said yesterday. There won't be an inquest and there won't be a Serious Case Review either. The child did not die in suspicious circumstances. You are falling into the same trap that HHJ Arbuthnot fell into, when she declared that the child was already dead. The Court of Appeal reversed her decision on that point and sent the case back to HHJ Hayden, Hayden did not repeat Arbuthnot's mistake. When the child dies shortly, it will be as a result of Hayden's court order, where he authorised life support to be removed. There is nothing remotely suspicious about a child's death as a result of a High Court order.

Had an output not been obtained following the ligature incident, then I agree that the outcome would have been different and inquests and reviews would have been required, but an output was obtained, and legally, the child is still alive, as the Court of Appeal and subsequently the High Court under HHJ Hayden have confirmed.

Yes, we all know the actuality, but legally, the child is still alive at law.

As for those on here who say that even if an inquest is not legally required, one will be held anyway. That isn't how the law works, and can you imagine anything meaningful coming out of an inquest. The mother and family have the right to speak and to cross-examine. Can you imagine what a circus that would be?

 

[Sailor]

Poor little kid. At least he escaped the trooning his mother would of put on him if she had the chance

 

[ShadowCass]

"What nobody has mentioned as far as I've seen is a Serious Case Review. This has to be held by the Local Authority's Children's Social Care department, by law, whenever a child on their books dies in any suspicious circumstances (i.e. it wasn't a disease or an obvious accident)."

As I said yesterday. There won't be an inquest and there won't be a Serious Case Review either. The child did not die in suspicious circumstances. You are falling into the same trap that HHJ Arbuthnot fell into, when she declared that the child was already dead. The Court of Appeal reversed her decision on that point and sent the case back to HHJ Hayden, Hayden did not repeat Arbuthnot's mistake. When the child dies shortly, it will be as a result of Hayden's court order, where he authorised life support to be removed. There is nothing remotely suspicious about a child's death as a result of a High Court order.

Had an output not been obtained following the ligature incident, then I agree that the outcome would have been different and inquests and reviews would have been required, but an output was obtained, and legally, the child is still alive, as the Court of Appeal and subsequently the High Court under HHJ Hayden have confirmed.

Yes, we all know the actuality, but legally, the child is still alive at law.

As for those on here who say that even if an inquest is not legally required, one will be held anyway. That isn't how the law works, and can you imagine anything meaningful coming out of an inquest. The mother and family have the right to speak and to cross-examine. Can you imagine what a circus that would be?

There is something sus about the accident that put him in hospital and many others have explained WHY that makes it different from your examples but you just.won’t.listen (read).

 

[Bungus]

Now shes looking to buy a rottweiler because Archie supposedly was going to on his own:
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This is just shameless. I wonder when we will find out that Archie wanted his mum to go on an all inclusive trip to the Carribbean or to lease a brand new Range Rover.

 

[not very concrete]

You are falling into the same trap that HHJ Arbuthnot fell into, when she declared that the child was already dead. The Court of Appeal reversed her decision on that point and sent the case back to HHJ Hayden, Hayden did not repeat Arbuthnot's mistake.

They couldn't declare Archie brainstem dead because the tests couldn't be carried out reliably because of some reflex thing that he failed (a medfag can explain this better I'm sure). The Court pushed on with that anyway, and it was the wrong thing to do as there is an established procedure for this and that's why it got sent back on a best interest basis. You seem a bit confused on this point?

Essentially, in a legal sense Archie isn't dead yet. In a medical sense he is, but they can't declare him to be because of the legal rules (as you explained)

Don't know how much we can argue about the inquest but if you are so sure that there won't be one you could drop some sources that aren't comparing this case to Alfie and Charlie

As a compliment, you're lowkey my favourite poster just because of the pure trash you tend to come out with

Now shes looking to buy a rottweiler because Archie supposedly was going to on his own:

I feel bad for any animals that have been left with Hollie. Archie seems to have been a bit rough with the bunny too but I would at least like to think that it was loved and cared for

 

[GenociderSyo]

Two years no school definitely left his far behind academically, but of course gymnast and mma was more important then learning it seems:

Seems today shes gonna waste it on her phone isntead of being with her son for what may be his last day if the 48 hour thing was still in place.

 

[Noah Boddy]

I feel like a rottweiler and a bunny aren't good pets to keep together. (If the bunny is even still alive)

 

[GenociderSyo]

The riling up is beginning:

 

[A tree]

Now shes looking to buy a rottweiler because Archie supposedly was going to on his own:
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She's going to spend all her time with him yet do tons of interviews:
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And yea your 8 and now 12 year old would want this posted publicly...
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0h great another Rott kept in a tiny council house and encouraged to be aggressive by idiots.

 

[trance_glory]

There will be a child death review when he dies: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ew-statutory-and-operational-guidance-england

Chapter 7.4 lays out what happens when the death is due to suicide:

Spoiler: Child Death Review

• all deaths related to suspected suicide and self-harm should be referred to the coroner for investigation;

• all deaths related to suspected suicide and self-harm will require a Joint Agency Response;

• the CDRM should include experts in mental health and key professionals involved in the child’s life across education, social services and health. Specific risk factors should be considered, including:
• family factors such as mental illness, alcohol or drug misuse, and domestic violence;
• abuse and neglect;
• bereavement and experience of suicide;
• bullying, including on-line bullying;
• suicide-related internet use, including searching for methods and posting suicidal messages;
• academic pressures, especially related to exams;
• social isolation, especially leading to withdrawal;
• physical health conditions that may have social impact, and their treatment
• alcohol and illicit drugs;
• mental ill health, self-harm, and suicidal ideation;

The Child Death Review Meeting (CDRM) should be attended by professionals who were directly involved in the care of the child during his or her life, and any professionals involved in the investigation into his or her death. The nature of this meeting will vary according to the circumstances of the child’s death and the practitioners involved, and should not be limited to medical staff.

TLDR - there will be an investigation into Archie's death that will consider all the family dysfunction discussed in this thread

Quoting my own post here from the Tard Baby General thread. There will definitely be a Child Death Review.

 

[Medusa's Sister]

This is just shameless. I wonder when we will find out that Archie wanted his mum to go on an all inclusive trip to the Carribbean or to lease a brand new Range Rover.

The last thing she should do is get a dog, any dog! LIke kids, they need patience and commitment for many years. She's shown a distinct lack of these qualities. Does anyone know what happened to the rabbit?