Horrorcow Hollie Dance / Lisa Pittaway / Ella Carter / Archie Battersbee / Lauren Summers/ Dignity For All / Archie's Army / Spread The Purple Wave - The Mama Nails of Essex, Her Whiteknights, and Her A-Logs

[GenociderSyo]

Taking the deceased home is not a new thing if you check out the channel Ask A Mortician she discusses things such as that. In the past it was not abnormal to have a recently deceased body in state in the home for a few days. Can completely understand people who want their wake with their deceased to be in a non institutionalized setting.

In the sesne of Hollie though it be weekend at bernies all the way.[/MEDIA]

 

[Dead Wife]

I predict a horse drawn hearse (because rottweilers aren't an option) with the horses wearing purple plumes, dozens of Limousines (probably decorated with purple ribbons), tacky flower displays (including gym equipment, a rabbit & that bloody monkey), vast amounts of purple helium balloons to facilitate the deaths of whatever wildlife is unfortunate enough to encounter them once they've landed and a massive piss up that descends into a brawl.

It'll be a 4 ring circus with bells on. I'm already pouring a measure for the poor sod of a funeral director who has to deal with Hollie.

Don’t forget the candlelight vigil streamed on Facebook where the local chavs n huns will release those paper fire lantern things that really cunt up the surrounding countryside. What a tribute.

 

[Bamanda]

Watching this play out must be unbearably brutal for the medical team having to keep the little boy in this state. My thoughts are with them most of all. I hope it’s over soon and they, as well as the little boy, can be left in peace.

I don’t want to comment too much on the mother, or the rest of the family, because although I hope if I was ever in her position I’d have the presence of mind to accept the expert’s assessment, I just don’t know because it’s not something I’ve ever faced. Whatever her motivation is for creating this morbid circus around her dead son, he was her son and she was his mother.

What fascinates me is the people in the “army”. Wtf is it with these absolute mental cases who latch onto dead or dying kids they have no connection to at all? It’s become a bit of a culture all of its own in the U.K. They worship these poor little souls, it’s so disturbing. I have a former friend who left her kids at home with their dad, drove hundreds of miles to Liverpool to sleep in her car for a week outside the hospital that the undead baby Archie was being kept alive in. We fell out when I asked her what she was doing inserting herself into it. These people (as much as I hate to admit it, predominately women) are so bored with their sad little lives that they want to live vicariously through a mother who’s child has died because of the attention it brings. It’s sick as fuck and is a symptom of a sick as fuck society.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Watching this play out must be unbearably brutal for the medical team having to keep the little boy in this state. My thoughts are with them most of all. I hope it’s over soon and they, as well as the little boy, can be left in peace.

I don’t want to comment too much on the mother, or the rest of the family, because although I hope if I was ever in her position I’d have the presence of mind to accept the expert’s assessment, I just don’t know because it’s not something I’ve ever faced. Whatever her motivation is for creating this morbid circus around her dead son, he was her son and she was his mother.

What fascinates me is the people in the “army”. Wtf is it with these absolute mental cases who latch onto dead or dying kids they have no connection to at all? It’s become a bit of a culture all of its own in the U.K. They worship these poor little souls, it’s so disturbing. I have a former friend who left her kids at home with their dad, drove hundreds of miles to Liverpool to sleep in her car for a week outside the hospital that the undead baby Archie was being kept alive in. We fell out when I asked her what she was doing inserting herself into it. These people (as much as I hate to admit it, predominately women) are so bored with their sad little lives that they want to live vicariously through a mother who’s child has died because of the attention it brings. It’s sick as fuck and is a symptom of a sick as fuck society.

I kind of get it. I've seen children on vents who are braindead, and it is impossible to stop thinking about how things could have been different, even if it's dumb and irrational. You want all the people profoundly hurt by this death to stop hurting. And the truth is you are completely powerless to do anything but love people through their suffering, and that's a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[Bamanda]

I kind of get it. I've seen children on vents who are braindead, and it is impossible to stop thinking about how things could have been different, even if it's dumb and irrational. You want all the people profoundly hurt by this death to stop hurting. And the truth is you are completely powerless to do anything but love people through their suffering, and that's a bitter pill to swallow.

I don’t know if I am able to be as generous as you in looking for their motivation. I genuinely do believe they want a piece of the attention they see those families getting, without having to actually lose one of their own kids. You see it all the time on a much smaller scale when someone dies, all of a sudden they were everyone’s “best friend” and they have “so many memories” when in real life they barley knew the dead person. Maybe I’m cynical, but what possible help is it to get a tattoo of a dead kid you never even met?

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

Watching this play out must be unbearably brutal for the medical team having to keep the little boy in this state. My thoughts are with them most of all. I hope it’s over soon and they, as well as the little boy, can be left in peace.

I don’t want to comment too much on the mother, or the rest of the family, because although I hope if I was ever in her position I’d have the presence of mind to accept the expert’s assessment, I just don’t know because it’s not something I’ve ever faced. Whatever her motivation is for creating this morbid circus around her dead son, he was her son and she was his mother.

What fascinates me is the people in the “army”. Wtf is it with these absolute mental cases who latch onto dead or dying kids they have no connection to at all? It’s become a bit of a culture all of its own in the U.K. They worship these poor little souls, it’s so disturbing. I have a former friend who left her kids at home with their dad, drove hundreds of miles to Liverpool to sleep in her car for a week outside the hospital that the undead baby Archie was being kept alive in. We fell out when I asked her what she was doing inserting herself into it. These people (as much as I hate to admit it, predominately women) are so bored with their sad little lives that they want to live vicariously through a mother who’s child has died because of the attention it brings. It’s sick as fuck and is a symptom of a sick as fuck society.

I wonder if there are some parallels with the historical weirdos who venerated child prophets and called for the beatification of martyred babies? ‘St Archie of Southend’ has a sort of ring to it. I can’t wait for his statue to start bleeding (stigmata ketchup?)

I bet there is a massive overlap between women who collect those disgusting reborn baby doll things (like Aimee Challoner’s mum), munchies, and Alfie/ArchieArmy types.
The Venn diagram might just be one big circle - is your ex-mate a munchie @Bamanda? Or maybe just at an earlier malingering/hypochondria phase? Does she collect dolls?

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

The whole Archie's Army thing reminds me of the Shannon Matthews case (parents cooked up a scheme where they pretended their kid was missing and they wanted her home, but she was being held in the Uncle's house)

This documentary was filmed during the process, and from 07:50 you can see how the community rallied around and wanted to be a part of it all. It was admirable in a way that there was such a sense of community, but I'm sure there were some nutbags like there are in AA.

 

[Bamanda]

I wonder if there are some parallels with the historical weirdos who venerated child prophets and called for the beatification of martyred babies? ‘St Archie of Southend’ has a sort of ring to it. I can’t wait for his statue to start bleeding (stigmata ketchup?)

I bet there is a massive overlap between women who collect those disgusting reborn baby doll things (like Aimee Challoner’s mum), munchies, and Alfie/ArchieArmy types.
The Venn diagram might just be one big circle - is your ex-mate a munchie @Bamanda? Or maybe just at an earlier malingering/hypochondria phase? Does she collect dolls?

Funnily enough she did collect those creepy dolls! She had a couple made in the image of her actual kids which I found quite weird. She was also a big fan of tagging herself at A&E and then ignoring people when they asked if she was ok at least once a month. I think you’re on to something.

@Flourishing Pinecone ❧ That’s a good comparison. Of course in any missing child situation the whole community wants to be out looking because that is something that is needed and is practical. The ones throwing parties and sitting in her house the whole time are exactly like the army members though. Utter weirdos and I’d be keeping them the fuck away from me if I was ever in a terrible situation.

P.S Lol that in the Mathews case, because it turned out to be all the families doing, the ones inserting themselves into it also came under intense speculation. A tiny bit of karma for them.

 

[ItzLog]

On the subject of sperm extraction et. al. Do 12 year old boys even have anything viable to extract? I’d assume that is too young, but given my plumbing I have no knowledge of these things

1986 Year Book of Pediatrics stated "Fish [Hirsch - n.n.] et al. (J. Adolesc. Health Care 6:35, 1985) have suggested that spermarche is present in 38% of boys at age 12 and 70% of boys at age 13."

Let's hope this isn't even a thought in her already twisted mind.

 

[Medusa's Sister]

I wonder if there are some parallels with the historical weirdos who venerated child prophets and called for the beatification of martyred babies? ‘St Archie of Southend’ has a sort of ring to it. I can’t wait for his statue to start bleeding (stigmata ketchup?)

I bet there is a massive overlap between women who collect those disgusting reborn baby doll things (like Aimee Challoner’s mum), munchies, and Alfie/ArchieArmy types.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of those women were into these reborn dolls. Jeez they really freak me out! I was shocked a while back when I read in a magazine about a woman who had one that she treated exactly like a child - bathed it, changed it's clothes every day it, took it out in a buggy to show off to her neighbours in the village, got it up in the morning and put it down for a nap in the afternoon, then put it to bed at night in a crib beside her bed. She was a member of a medical forum, and replied to almost everybody who asked questions about High Blood Pressure or depression, both of which she had vast experience of, then tried to add them as friends. She clearly had a lot of issues, but the doll thing gave me the creeps.

Sorry, don't know what I did there, and it won't let me delete your name from my comment.

 

[Sperghetti]

What fascinates me is the people in the “army”. Wtf is it with these absolute mental cases who latch onto dead or dying kids they have no connection to at all? It’s become a bit of a culture all of its own in the U.K. They worship these poor little souls, it’s so disturbing. I have a former friend who left her kids at home with their dad, drove hundreds of miles to Liverpool to sleep in her car for a week outside the hospital that the undead baby Archie was being kept alive in. We fell out when I asked her what she was doing inserting herself into it. These people (as much as I hate to admit it, predominately women) are so bored with their sad little lives that they want to live vicariously through a mother who’s child has died because of the attention it brings. It’s sick as fuck and is a symptom of a sick as fuck society.

You could call it Munchausen-by-proxy-by-proxy - You're not even getting attention through your own sick kid, you're getting it through someone else's sick kid.

I think it's also a weird kind of virtue signalling: A way to show off to others what a kind and empathetic person you are by being utterly broken up or outraged about somebody else's tragedy, as if it were your own. Of course, like most virtue signalling, it's entirely a shallow, appearance-related thing. The actual actions that would truly make you a good person don't get as much recognition as the performative stuff does, so they fall to the wayside.

 

[Resting Peach Face]

What fascinates me is the people in the “army”. Wtf is it with these absolute mental cases who latch onto dead or dying kids they have no connection to at all? It’s become a bit of a culture all of its own in the U.K. They worship these poor little souls, it’s so disturbing. I have a former friend who left her kids at home with their dad, drove hundreds of miles to Liverpool to sleep in her car for a week outside the hospital that the undead baby Archie was being kept alive in. We fell out when I asked her what she was doing inserting herself into it. These people (as much as I hate to admit it, predominately women) are so bored with their sad little lives that they want to live vicariously through a mother who’s child has died because of the attention it brings. It’s sick as fuck and is a symptom of a sick as fuck society.

It's grief tourism . Once these kids are dead & buried the Huns just carry on with their lives without pausing a beat but while they're alive (ish) they can emote & create a drama around something that really isn't emotionally hitting them at all. It's like kids play acting at concern & grief.

I always trace it back to when Princess Diana died & a large section of the population seemed to collectively lose their mental capacity. Before then such ridiculous displays of vicarious grief would have been roundly (and rightly) denounced as undignified rubbernecking, but the media actively encouraged it & it's been with us ever since, more's the pity.

 

[Sam's Tater Stew]

Oh, my sweet summer child. People in the world's most developed countries have been known to cart unembalmed relatives home and hang out with them a while or to have hospice leave a loved one in the front room for a bit. I do not know why. I wish I did not know what, when or where.

Forgive the PL but just for some info- an elderly member of my family died some years back (in the northeast US) and her explicit wishes for her death were to not be handled by any morticians etc. We had to sign for her body at the hospital and we literally took her in the back of a pickup truck and kept her on dry ice while making arrangements. It was horrific and I strongly believe you shouldn't have wishes for your death that place a burden like that on your family.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

I predict a horse drawn hearse (because rottweilers aren't an option) with the horses wearing purple plumes, dozens of Limousines (probably decorated with purple ribbons), tacky flower displays (including gym equipment, a rabbit & that bloody monkey), vast amounts of purple helium balloons to facilitate the deaths of whatever wildlife is unfortunate enough to encounter them once they've landed and a massive piss up that descends into a brawl.

It'll be a 4 ring circus with bells on. I'm already pouring a measure for the poor sod of a funeral director who has to deal with Hollie.

Archie's half sister Lauren already conducted a balloon release for him. It's on her new TikTok.

 

[HeinzBeanz]

I do think that taking a body home for a wake is a beautiful idea and do not find it horrifying in the least. My earlier comment was in regards to someone refusing to acknowledge that their child was dead, and to therefore go on pretending it was alive, unlike a wake which is their death is inherently acknowledged. I would hope that a social worker (or whoever would be assigned to that role) would be able to assess the parent(s) intentions/acceptance of the child's death before allowing them to leave with the body.
The fact that there is a significant market for reborn dolls (not the hobby collectors or Alzheimer's patients, but those that need to take care of a "replacement child" and actually treat it like a human), makes me think that this could be a problem.

 

[Murder Bunny]

Forgive the PL but just for some info- an elderly member of my family died some years back (in the northeast US) and her explicit wishes for her death were to not be handled by any morticians etc. We had to sign for her body at the hospital and we literally took her in the back of a pickup truck and kept her on dry ice while making arrangements. It was horrific and I strongly believe you shouldn't have wishes for your death that place a burden like that on your family.

I'm so sorry that happened for the rest of your family. My own PL, if it helps, is that my mother had some horrific wishes that I had already told her I wouldn't carry out. When Dad passed I got the funeral director to tell her what she wanted would be legally complex and almost certainly impossible. She changed her funeral plan. Heaven bless that man.

HeinzBeanz

I do think that taking a body home for a wake is a beautiful idea and do not find it horrifying in the least. My earlier comment was in regards to someone refusing to acknowledge that their child was dead, and to therefore go on pretending it was alive, unlike a wake which is their death is inherently acknowledged. I would hope that a social worker (or whoever would be assigned to that role) would be able to assess the parent(s) intentions/acceptance of the child's death before allowing them to leave with the body.
The fact that there is a significant market for reborn dolls (not the hobby collectors or Alzheimer's patients, but those that need to take care of a "replacement child" and actually treat it like a human), makes me think that this could be a problem.

Apologies for the wonky reply add. On mobile. Wakes are totally not what I'm talking about. I'm not in a position to look up articles rn, but long before I knew of the Farms I was fascinated by potato parents whose poor kid would finally pass and the parent would just keep them around a bit. It wasn't illegal, just unsettling.

 

[LucyP]

This is the UK. The body will be released from the hospital mortuary to a Funeral Director (Undertaker), who will take the body to his premises, and arrange the coffin and the funeral, and funeral cars, and the cremation on behalf of the family.

 

[GenociderSyo]

She also only comes on she says to post updates and read positive posts:

 

[Brazilian Nutter]

This is the UK. The body will be released from the hospital mortuary to a Funeral Director (Undertaker), who will take the body to his premises, and arrange the coffin and the funeral, and funeral cars, and the cremation on behalf of the family.

She could have him home if she wanted I’m sure. I knew a family in the late 90s who lost a child. He was embalmed and then came home until the funeral. Not in a coffin, in his bed like he was asleep. And within the last 2 years another family had their relative in the house (in a coffin) until the funeral. Personally that’s a no thanks from me although the previous poster with the wake done properly is a proper celebration of life.
Hollie and co would be taking selfies with the corpse and adding filters

 

[Bamanda]

It's grief tourism . Once these kids are dead & buried the Huns just carry on with their lives without pausing a beat but while they're alive (ish) they can emote & create a drama around something that really isn't emotionally hitting them at all. It's like kids play acting at concern & grief.

I always trace it back to when Princess Diana died & a large section of the population seemed to collectively lose their mental capacity. Before then such ridiculous displays of vicarious grief would have been roundly (and rightly) denounced as undignified rubbernecking, but the media actively encouraged it & it's been with us ever since, more's the pity.

Yep. The hysteria after she died became a bit of a national sport here. I was in primary school and I can remember feeling so uncomfortable because they made us all write letters to her and take them down to place on the steps of our town hall lmao. I think you’re right in that it seemed to open some sort of damn where grieving became a public spectacle. Idk I feel like it cheapens the life of the person who’s died. How genuine is your grief if you need an audience for it?

Forgive the PL but just for some info- an elderly member of my family died some years back (in the northeast US) and her explicit wishes for her death were to not be handled by any morticians etc. We had to sign for her body at the hospital and we literally took her in the back of a pickup truck and kept her on dry ice while making arrangements. It was horrific and I strongly believe you shouldn't have wishes for your death that place a burden like that on your family.

Ah fuck, that sounds awful for your family. As someone earlier in the thread said, the general done thing here is to have the deceased brought to their home the night before the funeral, in the coffin, after the body has been prepared by the funeral directors. In my family we keep the coffin closed, but I know some people have them open. If that's not done then they’re brought to outside the house in the hearse so the family can follow behind to the funeral. I agree no one should expect that of their family.