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It is a truth universally acknowledged that those with genital herpes must disclose it. But those who actually harbor the virus—a sizable chunk of the population!—may bristle under the stigmatizing status quo. Given everything we know about its prevalence, “I just can’t justify the incessant insistence on disclosing that I have genital herpes before genital-to-genital sex,” one person wrote in a Medium essay. “The more I learned about it, the more unreasonable it seemed that I’m supposed to forever slap a warning label on my pussy,” another wrote in to How To Do It, Slate’s sex advice column. Herpes, they concluded, is really just “cooties for adults.”

It’s a controversial stance, but the evidence they marshal is compelling. For most people, herpes is simply not that big a deal. “A massive proportion of the world’s population are living with herpes” already, according to the World Health Organization. Symptoms are typically limited to cold sores around the mouth, or genital bumps, blisters, and itching. Once you have the herpes virus, you will always have it, but you will not always be laid up with symptoms. In fact, a significant proportion of people are asymptomatic entirely. The stigma is so much worse than the disease that the CDC actually recommends against testing for HSV in the absence of obvious symptoms. “In short,” L.V. Anderson once wrote on this very site, “herpes simplex is a common, generally harmless skin condition that happens to sometimes be spread sexually.”


So why are those who know they have genital herpes required to disclose their status to potential sexual partners again and again and again? And, by the same token, why don’t we really expect people to disclose the fact that they’ve ever had a cold sore, which is often a sign of oral HSV?

Before addressing these quandaries, it’s important to understand the basics. There are, to everyone’s endless confusion, two herpes simplex viruses in humans, both of which can be transmitted through skin-to-skin contact with an infected person. HSV-1 can appear in both the oral and genital area, with transmission through vaginal birth, kissing, or oral, anal, or vaginal sex, says Terri Warren, a nurse practitioner who has treated thousands of HSV patients in the Pacific Northwest and contributed to more than 120 clinical research trials on STIs of all stripes. HSV-2, by contrast, tends to be limited to the genital region. Fortunately, while symptoms can be painful in the initial outbreak, subsequent symptoms tend to be less severe and further apart; some people may go years without any indication of the virus in their mouth or their genitals.

In the U.S., more than 50 percent of Americans under age 50 have HSV-1 oral herpes (which can transfer to genitals), while 12 percent have HSV-2 genital herpes. People who have a formal HSV diagnosis most likely have suffered genital lesions, and sought a doctor’s confirmation. They can manage the risk of passing it on with a combination of self-monitoring for flare-ups (when transmission is more likely), taking suppressive antivirals (which may reduce but do not eliminate the risk of transmission), and using condoms and/or dental dams with partners. But a lot of people just don’t know they have herpes: The CDC does not recommend routine screening for the viruses, in part because false positives are common—and because so many people can have the virus and not have it affect their own physical health whatsoever.

For many people, neither the physical symptoms (which wax and wane) nor the safe sex practices (which are probably advisable anyway) are as painful as disclosure: When they share their diagnosis with a potential sexual partner, they are all too likely to receive a heaping helping of shame and rejection. Herpes has been alternately characterized as “sexual leprosy,” a “scarlet letter,” and “God’s punishment for sexual promiscuity.” The social consequences can be swift and serious: “We’ve heard from people that write in and say, ‘I disclosed and now people won’t sleep with me,’ which is the nightmare,” says Rich Juzwiak, one half of How to Do It, which fields herpes disclosure questions on the regular. “It’s so irrational.”

This stigma puts people with genital herpes in the unenviable situation of essentially thinking for their partners, Juzwiak continues. In these cases, someone with herpes isn’t simply disclosing their status; they’re giving an entire TED Talk on the basics of sexual health. After all, refusing to sleep with someone who has the herpes virus means cutting out a sizable chunk of the population. In fact, if you’ve had several sex partners in your life, you’ve probably already come into contact with someone with a genital herpes infection, whether they knew it, you knew it, or you were both in the dark. “We’ve all been exposed to herpes,” sex advice columnist Dan Savage once wrote to a woman who was worried about having slept with a herpes-positive couple. Regardless of whether she developed symptoms, would she have to forever tell people that she’d come in close contact with the virus? Savage ruled a firm “no.”

The gap between the social rules of disclosure and the medical reality of herpes can look especially silly to the experts. Anna Wald, an epidemiologist at the University of Washington, says that looking at the data might lead one to believe that HSV-1 oral herpes is the condition people should be disclosing to one another, since it’s a major vector. Yet it’s almost impossible to imagine this kind of disclosure in the U.S. today: “I’d love to make out,” the college freshman says, “but I have to tell you about my last cold sore.” Instead, we fixate on genital herpes—the “sexual boogeyman.” There is some logic to this: An HSV-2 genital infection can be more severe than others, and because fewer people currently have it, it could be argued that suppressing transmission is a more important public health goal. But how is it fair to let cold sores slide, and then ask people to disclose that they once noticed similar bumps pop up on their private parts?

When it comes down to it, not one of the physicians, ethicists, advice columnists, or even HSV-positive people I spoke with actively endorsed the “keep it to yourself” strategy with any form of genital herpes, and HSV-2 in particular. For one, secrets can get you sued. Just look what happened to Usher: In 2017, three women accused the R&B singer of exposing them to genital HSV without disclosing his status, which can be a misdemeanor in California. For another, choosing to disclose actually suppresses HSV-2 transmission, according to Wald’s research. While she isn’t sure exactly why this is the case, it suggests that those who talk openly about their STI status with their partners may be practicing safer sex in general—by using protection, taking antivirals, and keeping an eye on outbreaks. However you make sense of it, fewer instances of painful blisters in this world is a good thing.

There's one more problem with keeping one’s genital herpes diagnosis a secret: It further compounds the shame and stigma around the virus when it is transmitted, which is still possible, no matter how many precautions a person takes. “People have the right to know what they are putting themselves at risk of, even if the risk is minuscule,” says Ella Dawson, a patient advocate for others with a herpes simplex diagnosis. Dawson found out she was infected with HSV-1 on her genitals when she was just shy of 21. She was infected by a partner who she says she has reason to believe knew his HSV-positive status but didn’t share it. “It’s a huge betrayal,” she told me, and one that left her in both physical and emotional pain. “For me, I think disclosing is an act of respect, an act of love, and an act of care.”

It's clear that talking openly about herpes is everyone’s responsibility, whether their own HSV status is positive, negative, or unknown. To date, the best cure for herpes stigma is an accurate understanding of the virus and the risks it poses (or doesn’t). Here, we can all take a page from Warren, the STI nurse and researcher. When Warren first met her now-husband, she sent him for a full lab work-up, HSV test included. They were both surprised to discover he was positive for HSV-2. After his diagnosis, “we used condoms for a few weeks while having sex,” Warren told me, but stopped. Her husband is still on suppressive therapy. Years later, she’s still never contacted the virus herself. “But I said, you know what, this is my person, if I get this, I get this.”

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The slut lobby has been trying to meme the "herpes is no big deal I mean like everyone gets cold sores right?" thing into the mainstream since the early 2000s. It seems they haven't had much luck if they're still on the same set of basic talking points and good thing, because this is the biggest reason there is zomg stigma around the disease:

Neonatal herpes simplex virus infections can result in serious morbidity and mortality. Many of the infections result from asymptomatic cervical shedding of virus after a primary episode of genital HSV in the third trimester. Antibodies to HSV-2 have been detected in approximately 20 percent of pregnant women, but only 5 percent report a history of symptomatic infection. All primary episodes of HSV and secondary episodes near term or at the time of delivery should be treated with antiviral therapy. If active HSV infection is present at the time of delivery, cesarean section should be performed. Symptomatic and asymptomatic primary genital HSV infections are associated with preterm labor and low-birth-weight infants. The diagnosis of neonatal HSV can be difficult, but it should be suspected in any newborn with irritability, lethargy, fever or poor feeding at one week of age. Diagnosis is made by culturing the blood, cerebrospinal fluid, urine and fluid from eyes, nose and mucous membranes. All newborns suspected to have or who are diagnosed with HSV infection should be treated with parenteral acyclovir.


Neonatal herpes simplex virus (HSV) infections are transmitted from an infected mother, usually vertically, during delivery. The incidence of infection is approximately one per 3,000 to 20,000 live births.1 A woman who experiences a primary episode of genital HSV during the third trimester and who has not completed seroconversion by the onset of labor has a 33 percent chance of transmitting the virus to her infant.2 In contrast, a woman experiencing a secondary reactivation of HSV during the intrapartum period has approximately a 3 percent chance of transmitting the virus to her infant.2 Of known infected infants, only 30 percent have mothers who had symptomatic HSV or a sexual partner with clinical infection.3 Many neonatal infections occur because of asymptomatic cervical shedding of virus, usually after a primary episode of HSV infection.3
The prevalence worldwide of herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) seropositivity is alarmingly high (25 percent seropositivity in the United States).3 Antibodies to HSV-2 have been detected in approximately 20 percent of pregnant women; however, only 5 percent report a history of symptomatic infection.4 Primary genital HSV infections during pregnancy occur at rates similar to those in nonpregnant women, and often these infections are asymptomatic. There is a 2 to 3 percent seroconversion rate in pregnant women.5 Transmission occurs from an HSV-2-positive partner and is often traced to asymptomatic shedding of virus. Symptomatic and asymptomatic primary genital HSV infections are associated with preterm labor and low-birth-weight infants.6,7 Because of the high prevalence of HSV among adults, physicians should be aware of the risk of a primary HSV infection in a pregnant woman and its potential consequences to the fetus.


Clinical Presentation​


A neonatal HSV infection can be devastating to an infant.8 Most of these infections are caused by HSV-2, but 15 to 30 percent are found to be caused by herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1). Most cases occur in the intrapartum period, but they may occur in utero and postnatally through contact with oral or skin lesions. Many infants infected with HSV are born prematurely and subsequently have a low birth weight. Congenital HSV infection (approximately 4 percent of all neonatal HSV infections) can result in an infant born with microcephaly, hydrocephalus, chorioretinitis and vesicular skin lesions.9 Three subtypes of natally acquired or postnatally acquired infection have been identified: (1) disease localized to the skin, eye or mouth; (2) encephalitis, with or without skin, eye or mouth involvement; (3) disseminated infection that involves multiple sites, including the central nervous system, lung, liver, adrenals, skin, eye or mouth.
The diagnosis of neonatal HSV can be difficult initially. The presentation is nonspecific, with signs and symptoms such as irritability, lethargy, fever or failure to feed at about one week of age (Table 1). Infants often do not have skin lesions (less than 50 percent of infants with encephalitis or disseminated disease). By the time diagnosis is made, many infants have severe disease and have developed complications. When diagnosis is delayed, mortality is high despite antiviral therapy. There is virtually no mortality among infants with disease limited to the skin, eyes and mouth, but mortality increases to 15 percent among infants with encephalitis and 57 percent among infants with disseminated disease, even with antiviral therapy. Long-term morbidity is common in infants who survive with encephalitis or disseminated disease, and may include seizures, psychomotor retardation, spasticity, blindness or learning disabilities (Table 2).8

Illustrative Case​


A male infant was born vaginally at 39 weeks of gestation with a birth weight of 7 lb, 3 oz to a 35-year-old gravida 1 para 1 woman. The mother had an uncomplicated pregnancy and no known history of HSV infection. Rupture of membranes was spontaneous and labor was augmented. Delivery occurred approximately 20 hours after rupture of membranes. There was no intrapartum fever. The infant developed mild respiratory distress at delivery that resolved with bulb and orogastric suction and administration of free-flow oxygen. Apgar scores were 8 at one minute and 9 at five minutes. The newborn had a normal physical examination and an uncomplicated stay in the newborn nursery and was discharged home on the second day of life.
The infant was brought to the emergency department the following day with a one-day history of poor breast-feeding, lethargy and an axillary temperature of 38.7°C (101.6°F). The examination was significant for mild lethargy, mild jaundice and a few scattered petechiae on the chest. Sepsis work-up was done and the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) showed a white blood cell count of 2 per mm3 (2 × 106 per L) and a red blood cell count of 17 per mm3 (17 × 106 per L). The white blood count differential was 1 percent lymphocytes, 3 percent segmented neutrophils and 96 percent mononuclear cells. The cerebrospinal fluid glucose level was normal at 62 mg per dL (3.4 mmol per L) and the protein level was elevated at 62 mg per dL (0.62 g per L). After two days of negative bacterial cultures, intravenous antibiotics (ampicillin and cefotaxime [Claforan]), and clinical improvement, he was discharged home. On the seventh day of life, the infant experienced a seizure. He was admitted to the hospital with rapid decline and multiorgan failure. He died the following day. He was found to have positive cultures for HSV-1 from multiple sites (nasopharyngeal swab, liver biopsy). His mother also had a positive culture for HSV-1 from a breast lesion. This case illustrates the nonspecificity of the signs and symptoms of an HSV infection in a neonate, the lack of a history of HSV in the mother and the often tragic outcome of this disease.


Even with treatment it kills about 8% of the poor bastards who are exposed at birth. Without that treatment, it's closer to half.
 
So having itchy blisters on your junk is harmless?


No it's a disease that you will have for the rest of your life if you contract it.


For a good fucking reason
WHY WOULD I CLICK THAT???

So horror aside why is this not cured yet?

We can whip up a vaccine to a virus that causes the fat and old to die that is not remotely effective totally effective in a matter of months but herpes eludes a vaccine...
 
I am going off memory of one of my mother's friends when I was very young but my understanding is that herpes can cause pretty serious birth defects. I remember her kid was born with something wrong with a leg (really short? deformed?) and hearing it was because the mom had herpes but didn't know it. Maybe it's different now but if not, fucking disclose.
As some others ITT have said, it can result in a newborn straight up dying because their immune systems are too weak to fight off the virus and they end up with something like viral meningitis, but it can have other serious, lifelong effects on a newborn baby such as blindness, deafness, etc which is usually a result of the virus being passed on during delivery or shortly after, sometimes by something as innocuous as kissing your baby when you have a cold sore.

It doesn’t really matter whether it’s HSV-1 or 2, both love membranes found in the eyes, mouths, and genitals.

Unrelated to infants, but I find it shocking how people will freak out about genital herpes but think nothing of kissing or doing other shit with their mouths when they have a cold sore. That shit can still transfer to someone’s genitals, and is still dangerous. It’s a nasty fucking virus and should be treated as such.
 
>allowed to lie and give you disease that causes itching burning disgusting blisters for the rest of your life, and calls not wanting horrible crotch diseases "prejudiced"

>Allowed to freely infect populace with AIDS with no legal repercussion

The West Coast can burn to the ground. If you give so little of a shit about your partner that you'd sacrifice them not having disgusting festering diseases over your narcissistic need to get fucked, you deserve to have your penis/vagina rot and fall off/out.
 
Dated a chick once.
She mentioned in passing that she had herpes.
Was a bit tipsy at the time so I did not immediately react.
Couple of days later she wants to fuck.
Brains does the autism thing and remember about the herpes.
Tell her about it and how it makes me uncomfortable.

She goes ballistic.
Calls me a retard,impotent bastard who deserve zero love and care for reminding her of her " bad times"
Tell her tough luck and fuck off out of her life.
Thankfully I got nothing out of it.
But the absolute entitlement of that bitch opened my eyes on how to deal with women.
 
WHY WOULD I CLICK THAT???

So horror aside why is this not cured yet?

We can whip up a vaccine to a virus that causes the fat and old to die that is not remotely effective totally effective in a matter of months but herpes eludes a vaccine...
Same reason we don't have an actual cure for chickenpox/shingles yet: that family of viruses goes dormant in part of your body. You need to draw out all of the virus from its reservoir and then destroy it, but we don't have a means of doing that yet AFAIK. It's speculated HIV does the same, which is why you can get to undetectable levels but will become infectious again when you stop taking medication. At least with HIV we know transplanting bone marrow with that one mutation that makes people immune to infection will eventually clear our your system of the virus, apparently
 
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