Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[AirdropShitposts]

Lmao look at this fucking chart made by the writer of that article. Because nothing says scientific research more than anime style characters, I guess.

https://www.science20.com/files/images/slide1_0.jpg

I love this chart. I love that it's trying to conflate sexual orientation with gender identity, so straight people are "more trans" than gay people.

But the best thing are the two labels for "pansexual" cis people. Blouses for men. Tomboys for women. Are tomboys (since they'll apparently fuck anything) and butch lesbians more "woman" than straight women? Are "blouses" and "gay queens" more "men" than straight men? SHUT UP YOU, IT'S SCIENCE!

 

[Wendy's Frosty]

Twins are growing and recieving nutrients and shit from the mother, though, whereas those eggs are already there and ready to go from before you're born. Can you give me some actual sources on what you're saying happens (specifically with eggs, not foetuses) so I can understand a bit more, please?

I'm no medfag but from what I know about eggs, girls are born with them, and the eggs mature up to 2 years after puberty begins. And of course, a female would have that limited amount of eggs in her lifetime.


But that's all on the basis of a natural life of a female who's never disrupted any puberty through blockers/HRT/hysterectomy. Has enough research even been done one something like this? Probably not. Can eggs actually mature when it's disrupted by HRT or puberty blockers? Definitely not.

But if she's 23, that means she disrupted that at 13-14 so who knows if those eggs were actually able to fully mature, especially since every cycle an egg is developed. And while females can have periods, not every cycle will produce a new egg either. (Hence a lack of ovulation.)

I don't know. Maybe I'm 100% wrong but I don't see there being some healthy eggs. I would imagine that would require a healthy cycle, let alone a cycle to begin with.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

If so, what was the grand plan? Like, "oh I wanna be a parent one day (regardless of the tranny shit biologically she could never be a "father" only mother ) but I'm gonna sew my vag shut, get a skin sleeve, cut my tits, and get a doze of T everyday but I still wanna have kids." Just WTF is that logic?

A lot of people, not only troons, have an extremely delusional view of how effective modern fertility treatments are. If you go on r/stepparents, you will see bitter women talking about their husband’s vasectomy reversal and then IVF isn’t working so they’re mad he has kids with his ex. We hear about the success stories, not the broken women who’ve gone through six rounds of IVF with no baby.

In this particular case, I would assume that not knowing how fertility treatments usually work for lesbians factors in. Lesbians who have kids are usually having them through what is a fancy scientific turkey baster, not with the more out there methods (because they’re more painful and expensive).

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I'm no medfag but from what I know about eggs, girls are born with them, and the eggs mature up to 2 years after puberty begins. And of course, a female would have that limited amount of eggs in her lifetime.


But that's all on the basis of a natural life of a female who's never disrupted any puberty through blockers/HRT/hysterectomy. Has enough research even been done one something like this? Probably not. Can eggs actually mature when it's disrupted by HRT or puberty blockers? Definitely not.

But if she's 23, that means she disrupted that at 13-14 so who knows if those eggs were actually able to fully mature, especially since every cycle an egg is developed. And while females can have periods, not every cycle will produce a new egg either. (Hence a lack of ovulation.)

I don't know. Maybe I'm 100% wrong but I don't see there being some healthy eggs. I would imagine that would require a healthy cycle, let alone a cycle to begin with.

During the cycles when the artificial hormones successfully prevent ovulation (they don't always- you have seen the accidental troon pregnancies here and there of course) it is just like any other missed cycle. Research on PCOS, which is a naturally occurring hyperandrogenic state in women, shows that if it worsens egg quality at all it does so in an age-dependent manner. Basically just worsens what already is the tendency, for your egg quality to be worse as you get closer to menopause.

 

[Vi0l3t]

This is funny.
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Imagine your sister flashing you their mutilated chest at only 13, then the tranny gets mad and jealous over you for existing. The kids 13 what the fuck do you expect? Lol troon was trying so hard to victimize themselves. Privilege? Go move to a remote village in India for a week then talk about privileged.

 

[quaawaa]

This is funny.
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She also has an older brother:

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[Vi0l3t]

She also has an older brother:
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I hate my siblings for existing!
WHY DOES NOBODY LIKE ME REEE TRANSPHOBE

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

She also has an older brother:
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Live footage:

 

[Sissyagamben]

She also has an older brother:
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Spoiler: Sperg

Jesus Christ… I hate my brother because he’s a cis man and has larger arms than me, I hate my brother because he’s a cis man and he has flatter chest than me. This lady is so fucking annoying. Dude brother, age 23, witness the insane sister self mutilate and traumatizing the younger brother, still try to maintain relationship with her and treat her like a man. Come on now just brush it off, literally the most socially inept faggot will never be like “

a bigger guy (likely joking) made a comment about the size of my arms, I’m so insecure rn, I really hate him sometimes “ If you were really a man you’d suck it up, not run to a group of girls (ftm) on the internet and complain how emotionally upset you are. This lady cut off her titties yet still acting like her world is over when the tiniest amount male socialization happens —she still sees herself as a dainty pretty lady who should never been made fun of by men. It’s almost like she’s never seen men interacting with each other in real life, or had any male friends in her life at all



If this bitch is my sister I’m gonna try my hardest to trigger her to the brink of suicide

Edit: I’m gonna contain my rage in the spoilers. TLDR: the fucking estrogen oozing from this post made my male cat pregnant

 

[Vi0l3t]

Spoiler: Sperg

Jesus Christ… I hate my brother because he’s a cis man and has larger arms than me, I hate my brother because he’s a cis man and he has flatter chest than me. This lady is so fucking annoying. Dude brother, age 23, witness the insane sister self mutilate and traumatizing the younger brother, still try to maintain relationship with her and treat her like a man. Come on now just brush it off, literally the most socially inept faggot will never be like “

a bigger guy (likely joking) made a comment about the size of my arms, I’m so insecure rn, I really hate him sometimes “ If you were really a man you’d suck it up, not run to a group of girls (ftm) on the internet and complain how emotionally upset you are. This lady cut off her titties yet still acting like her world is over when the tiniest amount male socialization happens —she still sees herself as a dainty pretty lady who should never been made fun of by men. It’s almost like she’s never seen men interacting with each other in real life, or had any male friends in her life at all



If this bitch is my sister I’m gonna try my hardest to trigger her to the brink of suicide

Edit: I’m gonna contain my rage in the spoilers. TLDR: the fucking estrogen oozing from this post made my male cat pregnant

Basically this looney troon is going to hate everyone for simply fucking existing! But hey it's not a mental illness TURF!!!!

 

[quaawaa]

She also has an older brother:
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I went through her post history and it is really sad. She's a shy straight tomboy who is jealous of her brothers for being stronger than her and for being able to like boy things without being judged. She enjoys having sex with men, and after becoming trans, says she is gay and wants to adopt (her motherly instincts showing through). Unfortunately for her, someone told her that being a tomboy is a sign that you are actually a man and you need to transition. She also has groomer mothers who were incredibly "supportive" and scheduled name changes, hormone treatments, and surgery at a breakneck pace.

First off, as the nudes may have implied she is 5'4", weighs 120 pounds, and had DD breasts:

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(Hilariously, after starting testosterone, she later changes her height to 5'6" (Archive). I doubt she actually grew.)

She, like most women, is attracted to fit, muscular men:

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If only she had had the confidence to ask one of the hot guys at the gym out...

Here is her full transition timeline:

On June 16, 2021 she was concerned that she may actually be a man and made the fateful mistake of asking /r/ftm if she was. You can guess how that went; they all told her she was definitely trans and not just a girl who likes doing boy things with her brothers:

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She made a second post 3 days later on June 19, 2021:

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After mellowing about it for around four months, she comes out to her parents. Note the phrase "Get this, they’re lesbians too. My gay parents".
This post was made on October 3, 2021:

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Immediately after coming out to her parents, on October 17, 2021, she experiences doubt that she is actually trans and recognizes that she will never be a real man:

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A couple weeks later, on November 2, 2021, she further expresses doubt and makes a post saying that she was a tomboy:

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Unfortunately for her, her mothers are very "supportive":

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And she gets a name change on January 24, 2022. Keep this date in mind. (The supportive mom post was made two days after this post):

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Nine days later, on February 2, 2022, she starts hormone therapy:

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In early March 2022, a month after starting testosterone, she lost her virginity to a man and absolutely loved it. At this point she still looks like a normal girl and doesn't tell him that she is transitioning. She feels guilty because as a "man" she's not supposed to enjoy having vaginal intercourse:

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She also wants children (motherly instincts showing through) and wants to date a normal guy and adopt (because they're "gay"):

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She decides to get surgery because binding her breasts is painful and she doesn't look like a man because she has breasts and therefore needs surgery in order to know what it feels like to be a man (this post is made on April 25, 2022):

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On June 13, 2022, she got her breasts cut off. This is 4 months and 20 days since she got her name changed, and 4 months and 9 days since she started hormones. That is an incredibly short time, and judging by the amount of doubt in her posts, there is no way this was informed consent.

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This is what she showed to her younger brother a week later:

Spoiler: Poor Kid

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And this is what she looks like today:

Spoiler: Poor Tomboy

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The surgery cost $36,700 before insurance. There is no way she could have afforded a surgery that costs as much as the average new car as a university student without her enabler parents.

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So to summarize, this girl is a 20 year old straight tomboy who grew up as the middle child between two brothers (13 and 23). She enjoyed doing "boy things" as a kid and once she and her older brother hit puberty, she became jealous of his male strength and height. Someone convinced her that those things mean that she is actually a boy trapped in a girl's body, and she comes out as trans. She unfortunately lives in a blue state (New York (Archive)) and has woke (lesbian) parents who ushered her through the process insanely quickly, leaving her no time to return to her senses. Less than five months after taking the first step, she has cut off her breasts and will never be an attractive woman ever again.

From reading her posts, she is a normal girl who is attracted to muscular fit men, loves having sex with men, and wants children, a dream that she will never be able to have anymore thanks to falling in with the wrong crowd.

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Reposting the pre-transition nude, the "my older brother laughed at my small muscles" post, and the "my younger brother was disgusted by the results of my double mastectomy" post so everything is in one place:

Spoiler: Nude

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[The Gunt Whisperer]

Can you provide some more info or sources on this? Or could a medfag here do so, please? I'm skeptical that a 'poisoned' egg could be fertilised at all but I'm also skeptical that an egg could be poisoned like that in the first place, since it's not like they're being made fresh every month, they're all already there and waiting. But then, IANAD so eh

Edit cos 'poosoned' isn't actually a word. But I'm definitely gonna use it next time a munchie bitch infects their central line with literal shit to get dem sweet, sweet sepsis asspats.

I haven't seen any evidence that just sitting in the body while there's too much testosterone does anything to eggs. If there's too much testosterone during the pregnancy it can have a number of ill effects. But if you wait long enough for your hormones to normalize there doesn't appear to be evidence of anything untowards happening. Your eggs are tough- they were in you inside your mom's uterus, every single one of them- and it takes something more extreme, like radiation, to scramble them.

There is absolutely no evidence that testosterone causes abnormalities in the ova.

We don’t actually have ovaries full of eggs at birth. We have millions of follicles, each one contains a sort-of egg. An immature oocyte. Even in childhood, these follicles are diminishing. They disintegrate. At puberty, we only have maybe 400,000 left. At puberty, we start to release hormones. Those hormones communicate with the follicles, telling them to mature. So every menstrual cycle, a bunch of these follicles spring into action and start maturing.

One lucky follicle releases an egg. (Sometimes more than one - resulting in twins.) The rest of the stimulated follicles then get the message to quit maturing their eggs, as they just disintegrate.

Factors (like radiation, PCOS, diseases etc.) that affect fertility interrupt the maturation of the follicles and the release of eggs. Smoking, diet and lifestyle factors can also impact this. So rather than an ovum being “poisoned”. It’s really the oocyte being impacted, and being prevented from maturing into an ovum. Testosterone interferes with the stimulation of the follicle and can prevent an oocyte from maturing. Once off the testosterone, ovulation should resume. In IVF, hormones are used to increase follicle production so more eggs can be harvested at once.

Once the ovum is fertilized and implanted, that’s when things like testosterone can cause significant issues. Also various drugs/medications, environmental exposures etc. (think Accutane.)

Comparatively, sperm is constantly produced. However, there’s evidence that medications can greatly impact sperm and result in birth defects. For example, metformin (for diabetes) is linked to genital birth defects if the father was taking it up to 3 months before conception.

 

[Fapcop]

Flying a boner at half staff rn, in respectful mourning for this beautiful young woman’s mistake of a lifetime.

I’m sure the gym Bro’s will miss looking at those double D’s in the future, and will be creeped out at the manlet appearing among them.

Hope her lesbian parents will be stuck with their little Gaiden living in their basement for the rest of their lives. Pretty sure they will never admit to any wrongdoing and will either blame “society” or their daughter for the fucked up life she will have.


EDIT: Looking at the bright side, at least she won’t have to worry about adoption. A gay/bi man might fuck her as a curiosity or bc “ass is ass” but that’s it. Straight men will see her as a freak or with pity and not as gf material.

There’s a reason why they usually end up with other women. (Lesbian or fellow troons.)

 

[batteredpancakes]

Horror awaits

Spoiler: Bloated Amhole

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[Fapcop]

'Another day on r/phallo, another happy and satisfied post op troon!



I’m sure this will work out well.

The whole urinary nonsense usually ends up causing a boatload of complications.

Women have shorter urinary tracts than men, and the plastic surgeons usually farm out the complicated work to a urology surgeon who doesn’t give a shit, because he gets paid 10K no matter what.

(Usually the kind of urologist who’d agree to do something as complicated as this so a woman can stand and pee without a 50$ device is probably not the most ethical of doctors anyways.)

The end result is often fistulas, constant UI infections, incontinence and problems peeing. Yay life quality!

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Spoiler: Bloated Amhole

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SON OF A SHIITE! This is ABSOLUTELY HARAM BROTHER!

Allah have mercy on my eyes. Looks like a giant cyst ready to pop.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

'Another day on r/phallo, another happy and satisfied post op troon!

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I’m sure this will work out well.

The whole urinary nonsense usually ends up causing a boatload of complications.

Women have shorter urinary tracts than men, and the plastic surgeons usually farm out the complicated work to a urology surgeon who doesn’t give a shit, because he gets paid 10K no matter what.

(Usually the kind of urologist who’d agree to do something as complicated as this so a woman can stand and pee without a 50$ device is probably not the most ethical of doctors anyways.)

The end result is often fistulas, constant UI infections, incontinence and problems peeing. Yay life quality!

Loving that this one appears to have actually named herself Aiden, too . Top kek

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Can you provide some more info or sources on this? Or could a medfag here do so, please? I'm skeptical that a 'poisoned' egg could be fertilised at all but I'm also skeptical that an egg could be poisoned like that in the first place, since it's not like they're being made fresh every month, they're all already there and waiting. But then, IANAD so eh

Edit cos 'poosoned' isn't actually a word. But I'm definitely gonna use it next time a munchie bitch infects their central line with literal shit to get dem sweet, sweet sepsis asspats.

Eggs degrade in quality as you get older. This is why women have much more miscarriages after age 30, because they are dealing with more eggs whose DNA has mutated. It is also why women over 30 have more disabled babies, such as Downs syndrome. It gets exponentially worse after age 35 and by age 44 less than 20% of eggs are genetically normal.

It is natural for egg quality to decline over time, and it is caused largely by oxidative damage. This is normal with aging, but is increased by lifestyle and health factors like diet, smoking, sleep quality etc. It wouldn't surprise me if with all the damage T does to women's bodies, it increases or promotes oxidative stress to their eggs. Or decreases the bodies ability to deal with this stress.

There are many cases of transmen having healthy babies, but there are also many cases of smokers having healthy babies. In fact most smokers have healthy babies. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.

There is no long term evidence of the impacts of babies being born to T-poisoned mothers, as it is such a recent phenomenon.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

wouldn't surprise me if with all the damage T does to women's bodies, it increases or promotes oxidative stress to their eggs.

Thank you for the fulsome reply but I was after actual sources on this, not just 'wouldn't surprise me if...'

This thread has some great science in it and this is almost definitely a question that there is an answer to but if we all go with what wouldn't surprise us we might end up following our own fairly conscious biases around this whole subject?

I can see it going from 'I guess that X' to 'X is definitely true' and it'd be good to get a clear, science-based answer to it rather than us all just speculating and then potentially contributing to misinformation — that would be a minor tragedy when this seems to be one of the few places where information that goes against Current Year groupthink is openly/freely discussed..

 

[Sissyagamben]

Thank you for the fulsome reply but I was after actual sources on this, not just 'wouldn't surprise me if...'

This thread has some great science in it and this is almost definitely a question that there is an answer to but if we all go with what wouldn't surprise us we might end up following our own fairly conscious biases around this whole subject?

I can see it going from 'I guess that X' to 'X is definitely true' and it'd be good to get a clear, science-based answer to it rather than us all just speculating and then potentially contributing to misinformation — that would be a minor tragedy when this seems to be one of the few places where information that goes against Current Year groupthink is openly/freely discussed..

the reason we have this thread at all is because horrendous medical malpractice without any studies on long term effects. They straight up said so when tarvistock was still a thing, and the closest studies anyone could find are ones done on normal ppl, for example women with psoc, men who take lupron for xyz reasons, etc, and even with the Swedish tranny studies can’t say what happens to ftms egg quality. This would not have been such a shit show if anyone actually knows anything about long term effects of all these hormones and surgeries, but no, literally no one has the answers because they’ve only started doing this shit, on this scale extremely recently, and for places that has done this longer they only have less than5 ppl per year being put on hormones and they are all adults. The best anyone could do is reasonable assumptions, like if you have unheard of, previously humanly impossible amount of wrong sex hormones, your shit would probably be fucked up. If you google if there’s any health risk for pregnant transmen (ftm) you would actually find statements claiming there’s absolutely no risks for the baby. However you can find results such as correlation between elevated androgen level(nothing even near that in ftm)in the mom during pregnancy and autism etc.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

the reason we have this thread at all is because horrendous medical malpractice without any studies on long term effects. They straight up said so when tarvistock was still a thing, and the closest studies anyone could find are ones done on normal ppl, for example women with psoc, men who take lupron for xyz reasons, etc, and even with the Swedish tranny studies can’t say what happens to ftms egg quality. This would not have been such a shit show if anyone actually knows anything about long term effects of all these hormones and surgeries, but no, literally no one has the answers because they’ve only started doing this shit, on this scale extremely recently, and for places that has done this longer they only have less than5 ppl per year being put on hormones and they are all adults. The best anyone could do is reasonably assumptions, like if you have unheard of, previously humanly impossible amount of wrong sex hormones, your shit would probably be fucked up. If you google if there’s any health risk for pregnant transmen (ftm) you would actually find statements claiming there’s absolutely no risks for the baby. However you can find results such as correlation between elevated androgen level, nothing even near that in front,in the mom during pregnancy and autism etc.

Our of interest, why rate me dumb for asking for clarity rather than accepting what people assume must be the case?

I'm not asking about risks to transmen, I am already aware that current crop of idiots basically are the long-term study.. I'm asking specifically about the effects of T on egg viability, and that's bioscience that's almost definitely been studied outside of the realm of troon surgeries. From what other thread users have said it sounds like there is some concrete knowledge on this and that's literally all I'm asking to be pointed to, rather than told what people assume or think might be the case. If you don't have an answers then that's cool, but telling me about risks to pregnant TiFs and the lies told about that isn't necessarily relevant to the question I'm asking.

I'd hate to see a decently sciency thread get shitted up with misinformation, especially given that like I said,this is one of the few places this stuff is actually openly discussed. maybe someday some poor sod with GD will visit and it would be cool if we could give them the actual unvarnished truths that we are claiming to instead of supposition.

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