Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[copacetic91]

My understanding about the sub-minimum wage piecework that's usually done in sheltered workshops is mainly so people who qualify can earn some of their own money, and not have it interfere with their disability benefits.

Yeah, but it’s not just the kind of sheltered workshops that you’re thinking of. Even Goodwill sets up their own “sheltered workshop” situations like hanging clothes to be able to pay sub-minimum wages to their disabled workers. Like, less than $1/hour in some places. Funny when their mission statement is literally about giving meaningful employment to disabled people.

In the US, under the Fair Labor Standards Act, employers are allowed to apply for certificates to pay sub minimum wages to disabled workers based on the worker's individual productivity, but I think that’s kind of a shitty loophole. I think anyone who has ever worked has dealt with seemingly non-disabled people who are completely useless and they still get a paycheck.

Several states have done away with these sub minimum wage allowances.

One of the weirdest programs is where they have an adult who is paid to supervise a DD person at a job. Like some guy is getting paid $14 an hour to watch a sped person do a $7 an hour job.

Yeah, it’s called job coaching. Typically funded by non-profits or school districts or similar, not the company that the disabled person is working for. They all work together, but the job coach and the disabled person have two different employers but all work together. Having jobs instead of just sitting bored in homes all day can help disabled people feel like they have purpose and meaning in life.

It does sound like a weird setup when you first learn about it, but it generally works and keeps people from rotting away miserably with nothing to do in homes.

 

[AnOminous]

Several states have done away with these sub minimum wage allowances.

Often it's just an excuse to exploit workers who are entirely as productive as non-tards. Goodwill would be a perfect example of this. They use unrealistic metrics to "measure" performance when they even have to.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I have had the joy of having to drag someone who is Luna level functioning to a store and force them to put a quarter into a vending machine to get a small toy because it was REQUIRED by their IEP as part of vocational training. (They couldnt keep the toy btw cause of choking hazard) I've also worked in schools that would force kids to use the old punch ticket machines telling them that this is how you know you are working. And yes that clean up the cafeteria happens in other places too only the kid they were making me do it with liked to throw things and flipped an entire cafeteria table onto his vocational worker. It seemed fitting the child wasn't stupid and let her know it.

Sometimes people think less of what will help a child and more of how to check all the little boxes to say oh yes yes we are trying to make them a fully functioning worker.

 

[Xenomorph]

We had a tard kid that was nicknamed Goulash who love to run around the yard at lunch and pretend to be Thomas the Tank Engine for a penny.

Sorry was getting too mad in here so I wanted to give yall a laugh.

 

[Android raptor]

And yes that clean up the cafeteria happens in other places too only the kid they were making me do it with liked to throw things and flipped an entire cafeteria table onto his vocational worker. It seemed fitting the child wasn't stupid and let her know it.

Based kid

We had a tard kid that was nicknamed Goulash who love to run around the yard at lunch and pretend to be Thomas the Tank Engine for a penny.

Sorry was getting too mad in here so I wanted to give yall a laugh.

Goulash also sounds pretty based, kid had a hustle and everything

 

[Shanndog]

Kiwi Farms is basically the sped class of the internet. Or more like the alternative school, it's where the speds more mainstream places don't want to deal with end up getting warehoused.

can we get our own short bus? and can i drive ?
I'm the captain bitches ! XD

 

[Android raptor]

can we get our own short bus? and can i drive ?
I'm the captain bitches ! XD

Only if the official Kiwi short bus gets the full Pimp My Ride treatment i.e. hydrolics, spinning rims, LEDs, etc.

In all seriousness if I ever win the lottery, I want to pimp out a short bus.

 

[Shanndog]

One of the weirdest programs is where they have an adult who is paid to supervise a DD person at a job. Like some guy is getting paid $14 an hour to watch a sped person do a $7 an hour job.

This was required in my city in order for a developmentally disabled person to work at many places. It was surreal to have an adult of normal intelligence being paid more just to insure a retarded person would perform a menial job.

Lots of psych, special education and SW students at my college had jobs supervising a sped at their job. Our university also had one of the earliest “autism intervention” programs in the country. The running joke was, “what’s the difference between a retarded kid and an autistic kid?” Answer: The parent’s net worth.

i agree it is kinda fucked up, but those '' job coaches'' are in place more often than not, unfortunately, to help advocate and be a mediator between coworkers and managers for helping in bridging communication, as well as being an advocate to help shut down and prevent work place bullying and false blaming, as in one of them have something go wrong, and they blame the tard so they dont get into trouble and of course the tard cant adequately defend themselves, i know i rag on em, make my jokes and snarky comments, but this shit is something i fought admittedly for our clients, because this is very cruel, to blame someone for something they didnt do - or were not even in the area to have done the incident. the flip side of the coin : you also have tards / speds who while slow and delayed, yes; but are still plenty manipulative and know how to play the gimp card to get out of doing certain tasks, or to avoid facing responsibility or accountability . another unfortunate thing is: plenty of aides, supports, case workers, job coaches etc. enable and coddle, but technically part of te job is to yes, advocate and support the client, and its also fort he purpose of helping them grow and integrate into the job and wider community, AND handle their own stuff, which means a balance of, yes, advocating and vouching for them, but also making them think and own up to the things they can change and improve on in the dynamics life. sad thing is, more often than not, they are not capable and the job coach and those community supports cannot be reduced or pulled because most clients who are disabled enough to qualify for these services are most of the time pretty significantly disabled and oftentimes have co-occurring issues like mental health / behavioral issues on top of being LD, or DD/MR .

Only if the official Kiwi short bus gets the full Pimp My Ride treatment i.e. hydrolics, spinning rims, LEDs, etc.

In all seriousness if I ever win the lottery, I want to pimp out a short bus.

no spinning rims, those are retarded, and not in the good way, but will get some nice classy spoke lowrider rims and hydraulics ! metallic yellow ''traditional school bus scheme, but with some bad-ass pinstriping designs as well. :-)

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Yeah, but it’s not just the kind of sheltered workshops that you’re thinking of. Even Goodwill sets up their own “sheltered workshop” situations like hanging clothes to be able to pay sub-minimum wages to their disabled workers. Like, less than $1/hour in some places. Funny when their mission statement is literally about giving meaningful employment to disabled people.

In the US, under the Fair Labor Standards Act, employers are allowed to apply for certificates to pay sub minimum wages to disabled workers based on the worker's individual productivity, but I think that’s kind of a shitty loophole. I think anyone who has ever worked has dealt with seemingly non-disabled people who are completely useless and they still get a paycheck.

Several states have done away with these sub minimum wage allowances.



Yeah, it’s called job coaching. Typically funded by non-profits or school districts or similar, not the company that the disabled person is working for. They all work together, but the job coach and the disabled person have two different employers but all work together. Having jobs instead of just sitting bored in homes all day can help disabled people feel like they have purpose and meaning in life.

It does sound like a weird setup when you first learn about it, but it generally works and keeps people from rotting away miserably with nothing to do in homes.

I understand the govt pays the non-DD person. It is a weird set-up. It’s just strange to make a fully functional member of society devote their working hours to someone that is not functional to do a totally replaceable menial job for a big corporation. It’s like a black comedy.

I never knew of a “job coaching” situation where the coach ever left, but I’m sure it has occasionally happened. I thought the programs where they got groups of DD individuals together to work on stuffing envelopes or doing other repetitive tasks seemed far more sensible. They got needed social interaction, a productive activity, paid for their work but weren’t subjected to working conditions they couldn’t handle without a “1:1 coach” having to supervise the entire time.

It’s weird how the big corporations were the ones that got in on these “coaching programs”. I recall McDonald’s, Dominos and some big box stores being the main ones that participated in the govt subsidized “job coach” programs for DD ppl.

When I was a kid I used to actually see DD individuals work at small businesses without coaches. The business owners or employees knew the DD individual well and worked as a little “work family unit” to help them succeed - usually bagging groceries or janny work. It was pretty wholesome. One little grocery store I went to banned anyone that was cruel to the bag boy with DS. The changing legal landscape and other issues probably make these situations near impossible in the current era. Too much liability for a small business

 

[Shanndog]

Did you read my post? At the time, no, she didn't.

it was a joke , sarcasm, not a serious question

 

[GenociderSyo]

When I was a kid I used to actually see DD individuals work at small businesses without coaches. The business owners or employees knew the DD individual well and worked as a little “work family unit” to help them succeed - usually bagging groceries or janny work. It was pretty wholesome. One little grocery store I went to banned anyone that was cruel to the bag boy with DS. The changing legal landscape and other issues probably make these situations near impossible in the current era. Too much liability for a small business

Ususally there is a staged approach to removing support until they are independent at the job. And if they become and independent employee they ususally end up with the normal wages attached to it at least in the local businesses the voctech here was attached to.

 

[Android raptor]

The vocrehab program I was in the counselors would help instruct the clients and stuff, but they wouldn't hover over us while we worked or anything. That would've gotten old fast.

Even if someone isn't capable of working, it's still good for disabled people to get out in the community. I know some of the group homes around will take residents on outings and stuff like that. I know being able to participate in the community and interact with other people can even do stuff like improve IQ scores, etc, in comparison to disabled people who are just shoved in an institution and left to rot.

That said, shit like Gwen dragging her immunocompromised gremlins all over creation during cold&flu season was pretty fucked. It's kind of impressive they lived as long as they did considering all the shit Gwen did that exposed them to infections (and even infected Lola with chicken pox that one time).

 

[Aunt Carol]

We had a tard kid that was nicknamed Goulash who love to run around the yard at lunch and pretend to be Thomas the Tank Engine for a penny.

Find a job you love, and you'll never work a day in your life.

 

[KayCeeM]

We had a tard kid that was nicknamed Goulash who love to run around the yard at lunch and pretend to be Thomas the Tank Engine for a penny.

Sorry was getting too mad in here so I wanted to give yall a laugh.

That might be the funniest thing ive ever read online. Holy fuck

 

[Jeep1971]

I understand the govt pays the non-DD person. It is a weird set-up. It’s just strange to make a fully functional member of society devote their working hours to someone that is not functional to do a totally replaceable menial job for a big corporation. It’s like a black comedy.

I never knew of a “job coaching” situation where the coach ever left, but I’m sure it has occasionally happened. I thought the programs where they got groups of DD individuals together to work on stuffing envelopes or doing other repetitive tasks seemed far more sensible. They got needed social interaction, a productive activity, paid for their work but weren’t subjected to working conditions they couldn’t handle without a “1:1 coach” having to supervise the entire time.

It’s weird how the big corporations were the ones that got in on these “coaching programs”. I recall McDonald’s, Dominos and some big box stores being the main ones that participated in the govt subsidized “job coach” programs for DD ppl.

When I was a kid I used to actually see DD individuals work at small businesses without coaches. The business owners or employees knew the DD individual well and worked as a little “work family unit” to help them succeed - usually bagging groceries or janny work. It was pretty wholesome. One little grocery store I went to banned anyone that was cruel to the bag boy with DS. The changing legal landscape and other issues probably make these situations near impossible in the current era. Too much liability for a small business

We have a few such employees at a local chain store. Nobody DARES bully them because we all know them and they are kind of a little slow.

 

[booklover]

One of the weirdest programs is where they have an adult who is paid to supervise a DD person at a job. Like some guy is getting paid $14 an hour to watch a sped person do a $7 an hour job.

This was required in my city in order for a developmentally disabled person to work at many places. It was surreal to have an adult of normal intelligence being paid more just to insure a retarded person would perform a menial job.

Lots of psych, special education and SW students at my college had jobs supervising a sped at their job. Our university also had one of the earliest “autism intervention” programs in the country. The running joke was, “what’s the difference between a retarded kid and an autistic kid?” Answer: The parent’s net worth.

I've known, and even had the misfortune of working with, people who probably qualified for Mensa who needed a babysitter at work.

Did it never occur to them that maybe the reason they need supervision is because THEY AREN'T CAPABLE OF DOING THAT JOB? Like I'm pretty sure I said elsewhere in this thread, a grocery store in my old town hired a bagger who really wasn't capable of doing that. When I figured this out, if I went into the store and she was there, I would simply go through another lane.

I saw a show on PBS a while back about MR/DD adults, and one of them had Down syndrome and was of Haitian origin (this was relevant to the profile of her family) and was barely functioning well enough to respond to her own name. Anyway, some do-gooder decided to hire her, at market wages, to fold the laundry at a beauty salon. Yeah, you could imagine how well that worked out. The parents did a lot of advocacy in their city's Haitian community about people with disabilities, who in their native homeland are often considered to be cursed through voodoo.

 

[Barbarella]

Back to Chris, aka SBSK. Aside from his gratingly irritating tone of voice, he also has a stupid accent. I can’t place it. I figured only a Canadian could sound that dumb until he said he was living in Florida. I suppose he could be an ex-pat Canadian, but aren’t most Floridians from somewhere on the east coast? (Native ones sound southern.)

So what is that horrifying accent? Not New York. Not Boston. Maybe Minnesota? Or Maryland?

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

How long ago was this? Unless it was part of their life-skills training, that's exploitive.

Within the current millennium.

We had a tard kid that was nicknamed Goulash who love to run around the yard at lunch and pretend to be Thomas the Tank Engine for a penny.

Sorry was getting too mad in here so I wanted to give yall a laugh.

I had a classmate with DS who was obsessed with professional wrestling. When anyone would try to make him do something he didn't want to do, he'd imitate the D-Generation X crotch chop gesture and yell, "SUCK IT!"

The teachers assured us he didn't know what he was saying. I am here to inform you that he totally did know and that's why he was saying it.

He was also highly food-motivated. On one particularly memorable Friday in elementary school, he refused to get up from the table at the end of lunch because he wanted more pizza. I'll never forget watching this kid get dragged out of the cafeteria by his para, crying so hard he had snot pouring down his face, crotch chopping in earnest and sputtering "SUCK IT!!!!!!" through sobs the whole way. It was spectacular.

For anyone not familiar, and because I still find this particular gesture absolutely hilarious, I've compiled some informational gifs below.

Spoiler: SUCK IT!!!

 

[booklover]

Have you seen the movie "The Peanut Butter Falcon"? That's pretty much what it's about, although he's obviously higher-functioning that that.

My mother and sister used to go to minor-league baseball teams when my sister was still living there, and my mother said, of the mentally disabled people who would all arrive in a big van and sit together, "They sure do love beer!" If it doesn't, for instance, not mix well with their meds, by all means, let them have it.

 

[Chongqing]

Yeah, but it’s not just the kind of sheltered workshops that you’re thinking of. Even Goodwill sets up their own “sheltered workshop” situations like hanging clothes to be able to pay sub-minimum wages to their disabled workers. Like, less than $1/hour in some places. Funny when their mission statement is literally about giving meaningful employment to disabled people.

In the US, under the Fair Labor Standards Act, employers are allowed to apply for certificates to pay sub minimum wages to disabled workers based on the worker's individual productivity, but I think that’s kind of a shitty loophole. I think anyone who has ever worked has dealt with seemingly non-disabled people who are completely useless and they still get a paycheck.

Several states have done away with these sub minimum wage allowances.



Yeah, it’s called job coaching. Typically funded by non-profits or school districts or similar, not the company that the disabled person is working for. They all work together, but the job coach and the disabled person have two different employers but all work together. Having jobs instead of just sitting bored in homes all day can help disabled people feel like they have purpose and meaning in life.

It does sound like a weird setup when you first learn about it, but it generally works and keeps people from rotting away miserably with nothing to do in homes.

In the US, these programs are often funded by Medicaid.