Jimmy's Confession in court wasn't for Him. It was so Howard's widow couldn't go after Kim. Breaking Good in a way.
I'm glad Jimmy was able to stop Howard's widow from suing Kim. In the only interaction Howard has with His wife on the show, She treats Him like crap. Then she acts all sad when He dies. She never really loved Him, it was an act.
Jimmy's Confession in court wasn't for Him. It was so Howard's widow couldn't go after Kim. Breaking Good in a way.
I'm glad Jimmy was able to stop Howard's widow from suing Kim. In the only interaction Howard has with His wife on the show, She treats Him like crap. Then she acts all sad when He dies. She never really loved Him, it was an act.
I don't know how much that was his intention. He confessed to a lot, but it was all (apart from what happened to Chuck) in relation to his partnership with Walt, and he never mentioned Howard one way or the other.
If anything's going to save Kim, it's the fact that she looks to be stuck in some dead-end, low-wage job, meaning that any prospective lawyer will probably tell Howard's widow that, yes, she does have a case, but that it wouldn't be worth the effort to take it to court seeing how it'd take years just to recover her legal fees even before you got to any punitive damages.
I liked it yea. I feel like having Saul go full bad and try to take down Kim and getting life wouldve been cool, but eh that isnt terribly in character
Jimmy’s always bottled up his emotions so it makes sense this finale has him finally relinquish Saul and just admit his feelings that got him here
He didnt do it for Kim’s approval. He did it because he wanted to finally punish himself, which is what this whole Gene business was
Did I wish it was more depressing? Yeah of course. I feel like Jimmy shouldve been killed in prison, him looking out at her knowing he doesnt fit in is fine but yeah he gets away too easily. I feel like Breaking Bad’s ending was more cathartic. A lot of schizos here complain about nazis blah blah but it was a way to show Walt had connections and then give him an antagonist to go up against, to destroy his empire, to motivate him to return and to get the confession he liked it out of him
Ofc. like with Sopranos you can just pretend after it cuts to black he gets killed and the finger guns represent the symbolism of that
Heck it mightve been neat if he took the plea deal and then when he got out he gets shot immediately
Also it was pretty funny how they called him “The Better Call Saul”. Like in the meme. I was half expecting them to try to break out and murder him during that chant
Overall, yeah I liked it. Season six was a decent watch but probably lower on my tier list for this universe. Better than Breaking Bad seasons 1&2 + 5A but not as good as the rest. This thread has been fun, reading thru it was way better in the first five seasons before Harbringer started complaining about Vince erasing the white race. I still think Seasons 1-5 were way comfier
The thing with Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is they always go for super predictable endings. Walt confesses and frees Jesse. Saul confesses and goes to prison. I think there should be an inbetween between cutting to black and having everything line up correctly. However any ending proposed other than this seems overly fanfic-y. So really if they could come up with a better ending itd take like years and would risk alienating rewatchers if it was too risky
Overall this thread would get filtered either way lol. If Saul got away with it theyd say Vince (really it should be Gould) cant bear to punish bad people. If he does get punished its because the show is a morality play that wont let bad people get away with stuff. Ah well, it was quite a ride, huh?
Was kinda hoping jimmy would pull off one more giant courtroom upset and walk out with the entire jury on his side but was pleasantly surprised when he stopped fighting and took his punishment as charged.
Kinda sucks that Kim basically stays as a retarded housewife to a guy she probably doesn't really love, remember girls, if you try have an adventurous life then you will be put in danger, it's better to stay as a suburban house wife or else bad mexican men will come for you.
The ending seemed a little confused to me. on one hand you have Saul becoming Jimmy again, accepting his punishment and dealing with his guilt, apparently in large part because of Kim even though she abandoned him at the worst possible moment. But at the same time you have Saul clearly wanting the acknowledgement of being instrumental in the meth empire, tired of pretending he was just some stooge, then of course liking the cred being Saul gives him in prison. Of course you could argue that you're meant to keep wondering if it's really Jimmy or Saul by the end but the way you see talking about it it seems it's all about Jimmy redeeming himself.
Honestly I felt Season 6 jumped the shark with Howard's death anyway, it was such an anticlimactic and cheap end to an intriguing plot. Can't have our plot get too interesting or we won't know how to write ourselves out of it, and we need a shock value death right about now!
Lalo was also such a retarded cartoon character only to give him one of the dumbest deaths because he was in a prequel and couldn't go anywhere.
I was hoping they'd leave Lalo's Death Ambigous, with gus dying not knowing if he finished the whole Salamanca bloodline or not.
Also giving Gene Takovik a potential reintroduction of a modern Lalo to find his Revenge on Saul for being an Ally of Gus fring, who just took out his whole family.
But at the same time Gus killing Lalo makes him into the Fring we know in Breaking Bad. It also finally gave that character a struggle and victory we could relate to with him as the protagonist. I wouldve liked a way to keep it ambigious or have Lalo in the BB timeline but I liked the way they ended that
I'm a bit confused why some people think that Walt's scene was supposed to make him look even remotely good. It seems to stem from belief that Gray Matter "cut him out" but most of the evidence from Breaking Bad points to his departure being entirely his choice. Consider this exchange between Gretchen and Walt from Season 2.
Gretchen: What happened to you? Really, Walt. What happened? Because this isn't you.
Walter: What would you know about me? What would your presumption about me be, exactly? That I should go begging for your charity? And you waving your checkbook around, like some magic wand, is going to make me forget how you and Elliott cut me out?
Gretchen: What? That can't be how you see it.
Walter: It was my hard work, my research, and you and Elliott make millions off it.
Gretchen: That cannot be how you see it.
Walter: Good. That's beautifully done.
Gretchen: You left.
Walter: You are always the picture of innocence.
Gretchen: You left me.
Walter: The picture of innocence. Just sweetness and light. Gretchen: You left me. Newport, 4th of July weekend. You and my father and my brothers, and I go up to our room, and you're packing your bags, barely talking. What? Did I dream all that?
Walter: That's your excuse to build your little empire on my work?
Gretchen: How can you say that to me? You walked away. You abandoned us. Me, Elliott.
Walter: Little rich girl just adding to your millions.
Gretchen: I don't even know what to say to you. I don't even know where to begin. I feel so sorry for you, Walt.
Walter: Fuck you.
And now compare it to what Walt says in the series finale of BCS
Walter: When I was a graduate student, I started a company with some...At the time I thought they were my friends. Our goal was to commercialize discoveries that I had made. And at a certain point, I stepped away. I thought I was doing the gentlemanly thing, but little did I understand that they were artfully maneuvering me into leaving my own creation. And had I stayed, oh...Well, I wouldn't be down here with you
Even after all that happened, Walt still wrongfully blamed Gretchen and Elliott for his own poor decision. It shows that Walt didn't learn anything from his experiences. He was still the same miserable self-sabotaging prick who always believed that he was the victim, and that the world was out to get him.
I'm a bit confused why some people think that Walt's scene was supposed to make him look even remotely good. It seems to stem from belief that Gray Matter "cut him out" but most of the evidence from Breaking Bad points to his departure being entirely his choice. Consider this exchange between Gretchen and Walt from Season 2.
Gretchen: What happened to you? Really, Walt. What happened? Because this isn't you.
Walter: What would you know about me? What would your presumption about me be, exactly? That I should go begging for your charity? And you waving your checkbook around, like some magic wand, is going to make me forget how you and Elliott cut me out?
Gretchen: What? That can't be how you see it.
Walter: It was my hard work, my research, and you and Elliott make millions off it.
Gretchen: That cannot be how you see it.
Walter: Good. That's beautifully done.
Gretchen: You left.
Walter: You are always the picture of innocence.
Gretchen: You left me.
Walter: The picture of innocence. Just sweetness and light. Gretchen: You left me. Newport, 4th of July weekend. You and my father and my brothers, and I go up to our room, and you're packing your bags, barely talking. What? Did I dream all that?
Walter: That's your excuse to build your little empire on my work?
Gretchen: How can you say that to me? You walked away. You abandoned us. Me, Elliott.
Walter: Little rich girl just adding to your millions.
Gretchen: I don't even know what to say to you. I don't even know where to begin. I feel so sorry for you, Walt.
Walter: Fuck you.
And now compare it to what Walt says in the series finale of BCS
Walter: When I was a graduate student, I started a company with some...At the time I thought they were my friends. Our goal was to commercialize discoveries that I had made. And at a certain point, I stepped away. I thought I was doing the gentlemanly thing, but little did I understand that they were artfully maneuvering me into leaving my own creation. And had I stayed, oh...Well, I wouldn't be down here with you
Even after all that happened, Walt still wrongfully blamed Gretchen and Elliott for his own poor decision. It shows that Walt didn't learn anything from his experiences. He was still the same miserable self-sabotaging prick who always believed that he was the victim, and that the world was out to get him.
In another episode he claimed that he sold his shares because he was in debt and in danger of being evicted from where he and Skyler were living, in order to teach Walt Jr. a lesson about always thinking about the bigger picture. It's pretty obvious that he twists the facts around his departure for his own ends whenever the need suits him.
I think the contrast between Mike and Walts regrets was rather nice.
Mike blamed himself for what happened to his son and for going down his criminal path. He knows that the bad things happening to him were caused at least partially by his own actions.
Walt is in complete denial about his own bad choices and keeps blaming others for his downfall. He even had the chance to go back and be part of Grey Matter again but blew it because of his own pride. In his eyes the bad road he went down is everyones but his own fault.
So all in all I don't think the characters changed all that much. We knew Mike has deep regrets ("I broke my boy") and Walt never saw himself as the bad guy. They just put the way these characters deal with their bad choices side by side. In the end Jimmy chose to deal with his fuckups more the way Mike did, not the way Walt did.
Set in the early 80s, PYDA centres on a young Mike in the Philadelphia PD as he struggles to balance a young family and delivering justice against corrupt detectives while being one himself.
The "you were always like this" line that he says to Saul shows that he still takes no personal responsibility for being a piece of shit and feels like he is better than all of the people he got involved with in the drug trade.
I think the problem with the ending it's that is simply too...bland for something as big of a franchise as Breaking Bad. It's exactly what everyone was in denial (me included) of what was going to happen: Jimmy takes the shot and goes to jail. The character scenes with Mike, Walt, and Chuck are not bad, despite being as subtle as a brick to the head, but they feel...unnecessary. Jimmy's redemption feels logical but at the same time, it feels too bland and safe. That's the problem with the whole ending: it's clunky and unbalanced. Even if the characters are compelling and interesting, the story beats are boring and predictable, making the whole experience a bit sour. Ironically, Gilligan and Gould's undoing was what made them so good in the first place: the characters guiding the story instead of the other way around. This is what happens when you take this philosophy too far: the characters are good but the story is shit.
It wasn't that much of a disaster either. The writing wasn't egregiously bad, there are no major plot holes, and there aren't any questionable writing decisions. But at the same time, you don't feel fulfilled. It's gonna be an "Okay, Vince, I guess?" for me.
