Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

It's easy to just dismiss her as an evil psychopath, but I think it's worth considering that she is exactly what happens when parents of special needs kids have no outlet and no support. She's the sole caregiver for a child who has pretty severe microcephaly and is in diapers, at the very least. It's not an excuse for hitting him, ever, but I wonder when was the last time she had a few quiet moments to herself. When did she last get a shower? A cup of tea that was still hot? A full night's uninterrupted sleep? When did someone last ask her about how she's doing, rather than framing the question in terms of her child's health? If she gets sick, is she able to go to bed, or does she have to death-march through her day because nobody else will care for him? Does she lose sleep worrying about what will happen to him when she dies? Does she ever get to have an adult conversation with an intellectual equal, or is she isolated with her disabled child all day? Does she wonder whether he can love her back or whether he even cares that she feeds him, changes his diaper, cuddles him? Is she even a person anymore, or does she only exist to care for his every need, without thanks or recognition, until one of them dies?

It is never acceptable to hit a child, especially not one who cannot cognitively grasp why he's in trouble. However, I think it's really important to discuss how isolating, numbing, and frustrating it can be to parent a disabled child. There's very little support out there for parents, especially outside the Western world, and even then, it's largely taboo to express frustration or say you don't want to do this anymore. Everything must be positive and inspirational at all times or you're a shitty person who doesn't deserve to have a child. She's going to get absolutely destroyed in the comments, but I think what she really needs is compassion.

Humanity went wrong when it collectively decided to stop calling these things "monsters".

 

[GenociderSyo]

Sitting here enjoying Body Bizarre and BAM SOPHIA WEAVER JUMPSCARE! Season 7 Episode 5 seems to be about her.

Two/three year old with lymphodema:

 

[buoyverificationfuel]

I would say that it's impossible to know that someone does or does not have a conscience, soul, spirit, w/e just based on br

"Capable of conscious thought" does absolutely require brain activity. Souls and spirits aren't something based in medicine or science, but the ability to be conscious is.

It's not simply because "people don't get along".
It's because people want to be god.

I would love to hear more about how you think all disabilities, for example blindness or cystic fibrosis, are caused by people wanting to be god. It's mostly just down to bad luck: some people have shitty genetics, get in an unfortunate accident, or make poor decisions and suffer the consequences of it.

 

[Chandelier]

Not sure about Ukraine but it was a USSR satellite state and they had actually a pretty progressive stance on abortion.

Could you perhaps be thinking about Romania? Under the Cauczescu regime, not only was abortion banned, but so was contraception, too, meaning orphanages were rammed full on the 1980s and 1990s. Yes there was abuse but there were also simply too many children there for staff to care for. So perfectly healthy neonates went in and they were harmed and damaged by the lack of care, and stimulation which would facilitate normal growth and development.

It was utterly horrific and a true stain on Romania's history

It's interesting how banning abortion, be it under a Catholic state like Ireland or a Communist one like Romania, leads to shit like that.

In the Dominican Republic it's completely banned to the point where if your daughter is dying of cancer she can't be treated because radiation might affect the fetus. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/mom-abortion-ban-daughter-death-dominican-republic-rcna43600

In South Carolina they're proposing a total ban and they rank dead last on post neonatal care. With the Kansas vote they're having a public hearing on it.

I expect foster care shelters will be stuffed full of unwanted kids, or we'll see dead moms of cancer who'd otherwise live.

 

[A tree]

I would just say brain activity != consciences.
Have been many documented "miracle" cases of low brain activity / no brain activity and patients make full recovery with everything intact.

I will call conscience --soul for sake of brevity.

And no one can say that something is born without a soul because I would argue that is the only differentiating factor from animal to human.
The very nature of humanity is contained in the soul .
No one has been able to define it accurately, yet we all (okay most) agree human life has something intrinsically valuable and worth protecting.

To answer your question I would endeavor keep it--I believe in an all powerful being.
And that means He/She/It/They can instantly change things. So, I would be wary to terminate any potential life and play at god.
However, stillborn and other things where it's verifiable 100% DOA, then I have no problem with "killing" for obvious reasons.


To answer your first question(s):
Because to live is to suffer. Our purpose isn't to avoid suffering our purpose is grander. To subdue nature, tame it, create, forge our own beings in our likeness-- to imitate who made us in all ways we can.

Ultimately we have completely different starting points;
I am not the one to make the call.
That's what I am saying. I will NOT let nature have it's way. I will force myself to learn, I will comb my hair, I will exercise because nature is constantly at war pushing me to disorder.
God is a God of Order.

To answer your final question:

It's not simply because "people don't get along".
It's because people want to be god.
They don't want anyone to tell them what to do and want to rule and reign.
That's the original fallacy of man--pride and one we all fight every day.
Because people will not submit to ultimate authority then all sorts of problems arise.
Imagine you are god. you created everything perfect and gave one rule. But your creations say:

"Nah I'm good I want to be you instead".
That decision made fractured the entire world.
What would you say?
"Okay you want to play at creator? Do it then. I'll back off to some other part of the universe. Try your hand at perfection. Fix things yourself!"

But God is not man, so still He intervenes and saves and dispenses mercy and justice to people with an upraised arm saying emphatically "I CAN DO A BETTER JOB THAN YOU [god]"

I will always be interested in why people believe the things they beleive but this is just word salad.

And sorry for the tumblrism but it's the most victim blamey ableist shite I've read in a long time.

I'm disabled because people want to play God? God decided that the best way to teach doctors and lawyers not to make life and death decisions every day was to make me, a non doctor have crappy joints?

This isn't even an internally consistent theology this is "oh I'm not really religious I'm more...spiritual".
It's pick and mix religion based on feels. You feel uncomfortable with euthanasia and are choosing to pretend that humans don't make life and death decisions over other humans literally all the time.

And that's why religious woo woo should have no place at all in medical ethics. I gave you the benefit of the doubt but this is dumb and makes literally zero sense.
Wheres the logical progression?

How come you know what God thinks?

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Unless you find it on Pub Med, forget “articles.” The people who write those things are just like you and me and have no knowledge except what a parent tells them.

Even then, like 95% of Pubmed is junk, too.

 

[Android raptor]

It's interesting how banning abortion, be it under a Catholic state like Ireland or a Communist one like Romania, leads to shit like that.

In the Dominican Republic it's completely banned to the point where if your daughter is dying of cancer she can't be treated because radiation might affect the fetus. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/mom-abortion-ban-daughter-death-dominican-republic-rcna43600

In South Carolina they're proposing a total ban and they rank dead last on post neonatal care. With the Kansas vote they're having a public hearing on it.

I expect foster care shelters will be stuffed full of unwanted kids, or we'll see dead moms of cancer who'd otherwise live.

Hell, the US already has the worst maternal mortality of any developed country, with red states being particularly bad in that department.

 

[The-Mad-Asshatter]

It's interesting how banning abortion, be it under a Catholic state like Ireland or a Communist one like Romania, leads to shit like that.

In the Dominican Republic it's completely banned to the point where if your daughter is dying of cancer she can't be treated because radiation might affect the fetus. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/mom-abortion-ban-daughter-death-dominican-republic-rcna43600

In South Carolina they're proposing a total ban and they rank dead last on post neonatal care. With the Kansas vote they're having a public hearing on it.

I expect foster care shelters will be stuffed full of unwanted kids, or we'll see dead moms of cancer who'd otherwise live.

And then they'll wonder why women will refuse to become pregnant or will opt to get sterilized when pregnancy risks becoming a death sentence.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

All parenting is hard and frustrating though. The whole "caring for a disabled kid is so hard!" thing just ends up getting used to excuse child abuse when it's directed at disabled kids. Ask me how I know.

Personally I'd probably end up sticking any baby I was the sole caregiver of in a blender, disabled or not. That's why I'm never having kids. I think a lot more people than would openly admit are the same way, and a lot of "special needs mamas" who treat their kids like shit probably would abuse and resent any kid they got stuck with (and are just using the kids disabilities as an excuse).

See also: Robyn, who blatantly favors her immobile, largely silent potato over her healthy kid.

I understand that parenting in general is difficult, and as I said, there is never, ever an excuse for hitting a defenseless child. I'm sorry that you have firsthand experience with this, too.

However, I think it's negligent to pretend that parenting a healthy, normal child is just as difficult as parenting one with significant disabilities. Yes, a parent's responsibility never truly ends, even when a healthy child reaches adulthood, but as the kid gets older, the nature of that responsibility evolves. Children get older and become more and more independent. During those really hard days, there's comfort in the knowledge that it won't last forever. There's a saying, "the days are long, but the years are short". Kids grow up and need less parenting, particularly less of the "hands-on" dirty work.

With a severely disabled child, though, there's no respite in sight. He will depend on a parent or caregiver for every need, forever. There is the constant expense and hassle of getting necessary equipment and supplies. There's the physical labor of lifting, moving, washing, dressing an adult-sized person who cannot assist at all. There are trips to specialist doctors, many of them. Sometimes, there are hospitalizations which cost thousands - hundreds of thousands - of dollars. Parents of special needs kids, whatever the level of their disability, will almost certainly watch their child suffer, whether it's watching their autist be left out on the playground, explaining to their son with DS that he will never be a dad, or watching their spud die of a respiratory infection after years of deteriorating from an undiagnosed genetic condition. The parent will never pack him up in his car and watch him drive off to start his independent life. The thankless drudgery of having a small infant never ends, but it may be even worse because he might not even recognize his parents or show affection. The milestones everyone else gets to take for granted come late if they come at all. The parent is exhausted, tired to the bone, but doesn't get a moment of rest unless the child dies or is institutionalized. This is even more true for parents of children with degenerative conditions, who are forced to watch their children become more dependent with age rather than less.

It's not an excuse to abuse your kid, but it has to be soul-crushing. Parenting a severely disabled child obviously has rewarding moments, but it's bullshit to pretend it's all smiling tards.

 

[John Merston]

I will always be interested in why people believe the things they beleive but this is just word salad.

And sorry for the tumblrism but it's the most victim blamey ableist shite I've read in a long time.

I'm disabled because people want to play God? God decided that the best way to teach doctors and lawyers not to make life and death decisions every day was to make me, a non doctor have crappy joints?

This isn't even an internally consistent theology this is "oh I'm not really religious I'm more...spiritual".
It's pick and mix religion based on feels. You feel uncomfortable with euthanasia and are choosing to pretend that humans don't make life and death decisions over other humans literally all the time.

And that's why religious woo woo should have no place at all in medical ethics. I gave you the benefit of the doubt but this is dumb and makes literally zero sense.
Wheres the logical progression?

How come you know what God thinks?

Like the esteemed @Hollywood Hulk Hogan said, people like @Sam Hyde Simp have the mindset of fundamentalist baby boomers due their crippling autism. Why else would they share those Miraculous Recovery stories without bothering to verify if they're true?

It should really go without saying that this thread isn't about disabled people. I'm sure there's a few of us here. It's about children who can never have any quality of life ever and the only potential they have is the potential to suffer as long as they live.

Yeah, but fundies insist that people with mild disabilities are comparable to brainless potato babies.

 

[Sam Hyde Simp]

Like the esteemed @Hollywood Hulk Hogan said, people like @Sam Hyde Simp have the mindset of fundamentalist baby boomers due their crippling autism. Why else would they share those Miraculous Recovery stories without bothering to verify if they're true?

Yeah, but fundies insist that people with mild disabilities are comparable to brainless potato babies.

It's just so illogical to say that there aren't well documented cases. It's like proving a negative.
Even if I brought the perfect case would it really change your mind?

I promise you would say something along the lines of:

That's only one and not acceptable. It's not accepted for this technicality etc.

Suffice it to say we have different worldviews. We can't prove the value of a soul, or what a person experiences when there is 0 brain activity (death).

I would agree that it's an impossible choice for most,
and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy--a repeated sentiment I think we can all agree on.

I would also say there are probably cases in which death would be a mercy.
My point is, me personally, I will try everything for that chance of full recovery, slim as it may be.

And I can see where some parents are coming from when they form a similar decision.

I like to give the benefit of the doubt,
but in cases where the child is clearly exploited--
-those parents are scum and should be hung in a public venue

 

[Android raptor]

It's just so illogical to say that there aren't well documented cases. It's like proving a negative.

The problem is you haven't posted any cases though. What you posted was shit that was highly questionable at best, and included one spud we straight up had a thread on that extensively exposed the parents as being full of shit.

You seem new to this thread, so I'm going to reccomend going back and reading it, or at least reading the old thread on the Buells.

 

[Pineapple Fox]

Instead of taking the bait can we just report users who are shitting up the thread and go back to talking about tard babies, thanks

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

a woman in Louisiana is being forced to carry her baby with acrania (will be born without a skull) to term. if i’m understanding this right, it’s because the hospital doesn’t consider the baby’s condition to be life-threatening for the mom and the baby is technically alive, therefore not a suitable candidate for an abortion.

article w/bypassed paywall

Spoiler: some examples of what it may look like

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If I had to give birth to that, I'd go into a suicidal depression.

 

[Quack_Quack]

If I had to give birth to that, I'd go into a suicidal depression.

You do. They only see the foetus. They don't see the grieving post partum woman left behind.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Late but in 2014 a cyclops baby was born in India. Like all cyclops babies, he didn’t live long, dying at only 10 hours old. When he was alive, the doctors filmed him. ISIS then found the video of him and posted it to their website, claiming that he was born in Israel and would grow up to be the Dajjal (which is the Antichrist in Islamic theology). According to Islamic theology, however, the Dajjal is a normal faced man who is missing an eye and not a cyclops. But that didn’t stop ISIS from not doing research and using the deformed baby’s image to get more recruits.

 

[Android raptor]

You do. They only see the foetus. They don't see the grieving post partum woman left behind.

Pretty sure they don't even see the fetus, or at least the fetus as it actually it. Prolifers imagine all fetuses as healthy, full term babies, only smaller.

This thread should be mandatory reading for all prolifers.

Late but in 2014 a cyclops baby was born in India. Like all cyclops babies, he didn’t live long, dying at only 10 hours old. When he was alive, the doctors filmed him. ISIS then found the video of him and posted it to their website, claiming that he was born in Israel and would grow up to be the Dajjal (which is the Antichrist in Islamic theology). According to Islamic theology, however, the Dajjal is a normal faced man who is missing an eye and not a cyclops. But that didn’t stop ISIS from not doing research and using the deformed baby’s image to get more recruits.

Damn, now that is multiple levels of Islamic Content

 

[evelynhopewell]

Sitting here enjoying Body Bizarre and BAM SOPHIA WEAVER JUMPSCARE! Season 7 Episode 5 seems to be about her.
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Two/three year old with lymphodema:
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The first kid is horrifying to look at, and probably belongs to a horror movie.

Can a medfag explain to me how it's possible for such a young child to get lymphodema?

 

[Android raptor]

The first kid is horrifying to look at, and probably belongs to a horror movie.

Yeah she basically looked like living jumpscare, though she wasn't a full-blown potato, like from what I remember she had intellectual disabilities but she wasn't a spud.

Admittedly one of the rougher ones even for me to look at. She triggers that "oh God is this a monster/skinwalker/cryptid that's about to eat me" instinct.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Sophia Weaver had Rett Syndrome as well as the disorder effecting her face. Ran into a 2nd child in the series that had the same disorder sans the Rett Syndrome and they explained that children with it are born without any muscles, skin, or other portions of the jaw.

As for the lymphadema girl she had primary lymphadema.

Some of the kids form here such as christian buchanan were on the series as well.