YABookgate

Me, too. I've never read her, so I have no idea what any of this is about. I wonder if it is just jealousy. She literally has her own section on her publisher's website.
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I'm assuming this means she's hugely popular? I guess Bloomsbury is kind of a boutique publisher, but none of their other authors have anything remotely like this on the website. In fact, a couple don't even have photographs.
I’m pretty sure the entirety of the latest Twitterites trying to cancel her, along with other best selling authors, is jealousy.

They themselves cannot create bestsellers, so what better way to give themselves a better chance by eliminating the competition altogether?

Evidently, the works which they promote via Twitter or TikTok only see short surges in sales. I’d wager that almost a good chunk of the BIPOC debut authors don’t have any follow up works to speak of because they flopped.

The only thing holding the publishing houses together at this point is Blackrock investors intimidating them to keep this nonsense up.
 
The only thing holding the publishing houses together at this point is Blackrock investors intimidating them to keep this nonsense up.
Two of the Big 5 (PenguinRandomHouse and MacMillan) are privately held, ultimately both by different German conglomerates. I think they're not only privately held, but mostly within families.

And CBS/Paramount/Whatever they're calling themselves today is looking to dump Simon & Schuster, so I doubt they care.

Also as best I can tell Hachette's ultimate parent doesn't trade as an ADR (how non-US stocks trade on US exchanges) only in Europe. Whether that makes them more or less subject to ESG nonsense I honestly don't know but it probably makes an entity like Blackrock less likely to bother with them.

The last one (HarperCollins) is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, make of that what you will. Weird to think that assuming the S&S sale goes through this will be the only major publisher in English owned by English speakers.
 
Me, too. I've never read her, so I have no idea what any of this is about. I wonder if it is just jealousy. She literally has her own section on her publisher's website.
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I'm assuming this means she's hugely popular? I guess Bloomsbury is kind of a boutique publisher, but none of their other authors have anything remotely like this on the website. In fact, a couple don't even have photographs.
Bloomsbury (UK) was the publisher of Harry Potter. They’ve got a handful other big names aside from JKR; you can see a better set of examples on their UK page (they’re UK based), but Sarah J Maas is US and a huge one. And yeah, her books are insanely popular. You can resell the OG hardbacks for like $100.
 
My stupid conspiracy theory regarding certain debut authors and wanting hardbacks right away is they do it only for the (let's be honest here, tiny amount of) ass kissing they'll get for said hardcovers on tiktok, since the HC tend to look more ~~aesthetic~~. I unfortunately get far too many booktok videos in my feed and the amount of people going out of their way to get a special hardover edition for a book they already own seven copies for is eyebrow raising. But I imagine for the zoomer author it strokes their fancy very nicely when they see some genderspecial gush over their bland YA fantasy HC, never mind if they ever actually read it.
 
There's a pretty calm and detailed comment on the Barnes and Noble situation on Reddit by someone who says they're a marketer at a big US publisher:

God, I really hate to be the person who comes in when a lot of people are hurting and scared to say "Um ACKshually--" because what people need right now is comfort, not minimization, but...

Authors who this hurts:

  • Fall 2022 authors debuting in hardcover whose first run was already printed BEFORE the B&N decision was announced to us 6 months ago
  • Fall 2022 authors debuting in hardcover whose publishers either 1) were unaware or not large enough to be informed of the inner policy shifts 6 months ago, or 2) were aware and overconfidently printed HC anyway instead of pivoting to PB for the first run
Authors who this does not hurt:

  • Everyone else
The bottom line right now is that America is broke as fuck, and hardcovers are expensive. B&N cannot control the fact that hardcover purchases have plummeted precipitously in 2020 and 2021 (as high as 17% by some reports). Something has to be done.

I think that one of the biggest misconceptions in the Twitter thread, and overall misunderstandings flying around about the difference in book formats, is this one: "Reminder that most debuts (excluding genres like romance) release in hardcover and don’t even GET paperbacks until they sell well."

  1. This is antiquated, antiquated, antiquated. It used to be that every single book in the world came out HC, then PB in the next year. Those were in ancient times. Publishers have been far more agile than that for a decade now. Strategically selecting the format to debut in is crucial, and we've all been keenly aware of America's spending money decreasing, and the price tag on HCs. As a result, at my publisher, 90% of MG novels and 65% of YA novels debut in paperback in the first place.
  2. Publishers aren't just going to blindly keep printing hardcovers that won't get shelf space. B&N told us about this 6 months ago. Good strategists busily adjusted wherever it was remotely possibly to do so. What you're going to see is a lot of pivoting and an increase in paperback debuts in order to appease B&N.
It really absolutely does suck for the Fall 2022 debut authors whose HCs were already printed. I'm sure the disappointment is bitter. I work with one of the authors in the thread you linked, and I really do ache for her. I know it's gonna suck for her to wait until next year, in PB, to see her amazing book at B&N. But the Twitter scaremongering is not in her favor. I have faith in her, and she's going to be incredible. We'll pivot toward trying to sell out our Amazon stock of her HCs, as well as running robust indie campaigns, and then return to our brick-and-mortar B&N retail strategy in 2023 when her book is re-released in paperback. PBs always vastly outsell HCs anyway -- a book that sells 5k copies HC may easily sell 75k PB. Because, again, HCs are more expensive, so less people can afford them. This is true no matter who you are. According to NPD Bookscan, Game of Thrones #1 has sold approximately:

  • 200k HC
  • 500k PB
  • 1.5 million MM (mass market -- the tiny, thick ones in grocery checkout aisles, etc.)
I think there also may be misconceptions about B&N stocking in general. I described the concept of "distro numbers" here. When I was teaching one of my classes about distros, and I was explaining 1s and 5s (some stores get 1 copy of a title, others get 5 copies of that title), a student said, "That's just an example, right? A B&N store would never receive just ONE copy of a book!" To which I said, "Oh, yes they WOULD."

Really critically count the numbers of books on the shelves at the store --or just Google "Barnes & Noble shelf" and count the quantities yourselves. It is completely common for a B&N to stock 5 or less copies of a given title, even if it just came out. The moral of the story is that B&N stocks way less of every book than you think they do, which is why I've seen some seasoned authors kind of chuckling at this Twitter situation -- to repeat Milo, "When did they stock our books anyway?" If I had a quarter every time I had the "Don't freak out at the # of copies B&N bought" conversation with one of my authors, I'd double my salary. One of the titles I'm marketing came out in June, and B&N took 500 copies total for the whole country. Meanwhile, it's been selling steadily 500 copies per week on Amazon. (Admittedly, not every book can do that; this was the type of book that we knew from the beginning would SING on Amazon but maybe less so in stores. Every book has a different ideal sales channel.) I absolutely understand the pain and disappointment; B&N is usually considered the crown prestige achievement of authorship. Emotionally, it represents validation. It represents legitimacy. But the world has changed. Brick & mortars matter a lot, but they're not the end-all-be-all.

Nowadays, "frustrating world events disrupting the publishing process" is just the name of the game for authors. But stories will soldier on nonetheless. Yesterday we had one of our authors come to the office; she debuted on the NYT Bestseller List in 2020, and her sophomore novel, which came out last month, did as well. She was crying talking to us about how terrified and gutted she was when she realized she was going to debut in a global pandemic, when all her tours and events were cancelled, when bookstores closed down. She debuted on the NYT Bestseller List nevertheless.

I ache in empathy for the Fall 2022 authors affected, but given the way the economic situation has been clobbering HC sales... I'm an anti-capitalist, myself, but sometimes the market truly does control the situation, and the only thing you can do is try to adjust.

EDIT:

Authors should perhaps also be mindful of what they post in public. Corporate decisions are made by humans. A conversation this morning:

Director of Marketing: Why did [MG Author] just diss B&N on Instagram today?
Me: Oh, it's trending. [Gives her the Twitter link to #barnesandnoble]
Director of Marketing: But I talked to [author] months ago to prep her for this, and she seemed to understand. Why is she doing this?
Me: I think a lot of people on Twitter are really scared right now. Authors always feel very helpless and vulnerable about sell-in quantities. But we'll do great in 2023 in PB!
Director of Marketing: Uh, yeah, I hope, if no B&N corporate buyers have seen her trashing them on social media.
Me: 😬

 
GRRM getting canceled would be fucking hilarious.
I'm surprised he hasn't even gotten cancelled yet given how unflattering his depiction of the non-white Dothraki are for a secular atheist author. He only gets a pass because everyone in his books are equally barbaric or something.
 
It's insane how much he has to beat around the bush with gentle wording. The amount of eggshell-walking to even deal with these people is too much to be worth it.
Yeah, but they're fun to troll the fuck out of if you can figure out how to do it right. (Ask Larry Correia.)

One more thing before I drop B&N as a topic, barring some weird development. I was curious about this gal complaining they weren't stocking the fourth book of her series:
4th installment in a series. B&N probably has a good idea what it will sell and has passed.

Blah, blah, blah - the sequel
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When I looked it up on GoodReads, to my eyes it looks like the very definition of a series in decline:
Book 1 - 29,119 Ratings · 4,409 Reviews · published 2018 · 20 editions
Book 2 - 6,262 Ratings · 966 Reviews · published 2020 · 10 editions
Book 3 - 2,460 Ratings · 341 Reviews · published 2021 · 6 editions

I'm too lazy to run the percentages but it must be pretty ugly.

I realize this isn't exactly Bookscan, but it is the best an amateur like me can do. In any event, the trend does not seem to be this woman's friend. Nor does it seem unreasonable to me for B&N to take a pass on stocking the book.
 
Jesus. All of this is just solidifying my decision to self-publish if I ever stop being too lazy to finish a story. Imagine dealing with these venomous snakes as peers, love bombing each other only to turn on a dime if you get even slightly more attention than they do. Kvetching that their derivative bile that they shit out on their keyboards should be more loved and admired than anything by Tolkien, Lovecraft, or Tolstoy when even the most midtier writer of yesteryear could run laps around their writing without breaking a sweat. It would be like being part of a high school's mean girl group, just as empty and vapid and cruel, forever and ever and ever. Creative purgatory.

My melodramatic whining aside: I do wonder if this may be the beginning of the turning tide. People are broke, and not nearly enough of them are masochistic enough to read a 200 page lecture directed at them. Escapism tends to become very popular in difficult times. I wonder if we will see more pulpy or fantastical scifi/fantasy make a big comeback?
(I know, I know :optimistic: )
 
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I’m liking Larry Correia’s snark at the left, but am wondering what you guys think of his books? Are they any good?

I’m thinking about picking up Monster Hunter.
 
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I’m liking Larry Correia’s snark at the left, but am wondering what you guys think of his books? Are they any good?

I’m thinking about picking up Monster Hunter.
I read his new Servants of War book. It's pretty decent. It does everything that a good military/adventure fiction book should do. It's close to the top of my list for fiction releases this year.

Edit: distracted typing.
 
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I’m liking Larry Correia’s snark at the left, but am wondering what you guys think of his books? Are they any good?

I’m thinking about picking up Monster Hunter.
They're not for everyone. I'm personally not much of a fan of what he is most known for, Monster Hunter International. A lot like the Dresden Files except with more guns and less magic. Urban fantasy gun porn. Okay, but not really my thing. FWIW, if you're the sort with scruples against sailing the high seas, you can legally read the first MHI book for free, in EPUB or MOBI formats.

However, I quite liked the Grimnoir Chronicles, also Urban Fantasy, but set in an alternate 1930s/1940s.

I'm really enjoying the Saga of the Forgotten Warrior, despite the silly name. Probably my second favorite epic fantasy series started this century, only beaten by Joe Abercrombie's First Law books.

I hated his most recent book, Servants of War, the first time I picked it up. Liked it the second time I tried it, though. Kind of an alternate world World War I with magic and golems. Personally would put it below the Grimnoir books but above MHI, but that's possibly more a matter of personal taste.

I haven't read any of his other stuff.
 
Jesus. All of this is just solidifying my decision to self-publish if I ever stop being too lazy to finish a story. Imagine dealing with these venomous snakes as peers, love bombing each other only to turn on a dime if you get even slightly more attention than they do. Kvetching that their derivative bile that they shit out on their keyboards should be more loved and admired than anything by Tolkien, Lovecraft, or Tolstoy when even the most midtier writer of yesteryear could run laps around their writing without breaking a sweat. It would be like being part of a high school's mean girl group, just as empty and vapid and cruel, forever and ever and ever. Creative purgatory.

My melodramatic whining aside: I do wonder if this may be the beginning of the turning tide. People are broke, and not nearly enough of them are masochistic enough to read a 200 page lecture directed at them. Escapism tends to become very popular in difficult times. I wonder if we will see more pulpy or fantastical scifi/fantasy make a big comeback?
(I know, I know :optimistic: )
My dude, when creativity is in high demand, it's a good time to seize it!
 
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I’m liking Larry Correia’s snark at the left, but am wondering what you guys think of his books? Are they any good?

I’m thinking about picking up Monster Hunter.
I listened to the two first Monster Hunter audio books. The first one had strong self-insertism, with a main character who veered towards being a Gary Stu. That said, it was fine for basic killing super-natural things type fiction. Popcorn entertainment rather than anything more substantial. By the second book, the cliche elements had toned down a good deal. I liked it better. Not Harry Dresden level, but still better than 80% of what you can find in today's market.

Eta - I listened to them out of order, so I can confidently say that you don't need to read the first book to understand the world and the characters if you want to jump into the 2nd book where the story has gotten a little more into it's stride.
 
I am confused by the allegations against Sarah J Maas. She’s just a Jew who writes fairy porn if I recall correctly.
Correct. I don’t recall her sharing the wrong opinions or anything, but I’ve read gossip that she’s a diva and had a falling out with a lot of her other author friends. She allegedly made fun of Leigh Bardugo, author of Shadow and Bone, for being a cripple. She had some kind of falling out with YA author Susan Dennard who used to be her best friend, allegedly because she didn’t want to share the spotlight with her.
The wrong think thing comes from her first series mostly featuring white fairies, and now her later books include some fairies of color. Still very mid books with very meh sex scenes, probably only became popular because they were published as new adult and ended up being Porn For Teens.
Also in 2018, there was the soapgate kerfuffle where a third party sold a book merch crate themed around her books that included a realistic purple dick-shaped soap bar inspired by her books. At the time, I think the books were still kind of marketed toward teens, so this was considered a bad look.
 
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I’m liking Larry Correia’s snark at the left, but am wondering what you guys think of his books? Are they any good?

I’m thinking about picking up Monster Hunter.
Our resident @Boston Brand really quite enjoys says theyre some of the best on the current market.

I power read the entire series in about 2 weeks(?) And then read Servants of War and my only 2 complaints is that two middle aged dudes cant write romance to save their souls and the horror elements really needed to be played up more but it was pretty good.
 
I am confused by the allegations against Sarah J Maas. She’s just a Jew who writes fairy porn if I recall correctly.

But if she really said feminism is toxic, then I’ll gladly buy her books.

Edit: I just noticed that Mercedes Lackey is on the list and LMAO. Her books are filled to the brim with woke stuff; which goes to show that the shrill harpies are never satisfied.

Onto the B&N stuff;

Has it ever occurred to the Twitterites that demand influences whether or not a book gets re-stocked into a store?

That these stores only take in these debut books for a limited time just to shut their investors up, regardless of the book’s quality?

That simply being non white isn’t enough to determine the quality of your book?

At the end of the day, B&N is a business who will stock products that have proven to sell well. As I mentioned in this thread a long time ago, a lot of debut books written with social Justice in mind don’t usually sell well.

Take your grievances up with the B&N customers who’d much rather purchase escapist fantasy books over being told how horrible they are for merely existing.

Funny how people will choose fun stories over race grifting any day
One of the big and most recent grievances against Maas had to do with a trip she and her family took to Israel years ago and she had the audacity to enjoy it. It was during the height of woke virtue signaling about Palestine/Israel on BookTwt and Bookstagram so they dug that up and painted her as a Zionist/colonizer and looked for examples of that in her books to justify their claims. Of course they didn’t see that until the article popped up.
 
Me, too. I've never read her, so I have no idea what any of this is about. I wonder if it is just jealousy. She literally has her own section on her publisher's website.
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I'm assuming this means she's hugely popular? I guess Bloomsbury is kind of a boutique publisher, but none of their other authors have anything remotely like this on the website. In fact, a couple don't even have photographs.
Oh yeah, she is huge huge. Her books are YA soft porn, but they recently got reprints as adult books to bring in Game of Thrones fans. I'm going to buckle down and try them one day because I just really miss reading books where I don't have to think. Bonus points if I end up liking them and have like 10 more just like them to read.

Correct. I don’t recall her sharing the wrong opinions or anything, but I’ve read gossip that she’s a diva and had a falling out with a lot of her other author friends. She allegedly made fun of Leigh Bardugo, author of Shadow and Bone, for being a cripple. She had some kind of falling out with YA author Susan Dennard who used to be her best friend, allegedly because she didn’t want to share the spotlight with her.
The wrong think thing comes from her first series mostly featuring white fairies, and now her later books include some fairies of color. Still very mid books with very meh sex scenes, probably only became popular because they were published as new adult and ended up being Porn For Teens.
Also in 2018, there was the soapgate kerfuffle where a third party sold a book merch crate themed around her books that included a realistic purple dick-shaped soap bar inspired by her books. At the time, I think the books were still kind of marketed toward teens, so this was considered a bad look.
I forgot about the soap thing, omg. That was a Day on Twitter.
 
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