Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[You can call me Lea]

Greetings Farmers. I am new here but I have lurked on this thread for quite some time. And I have an idea that I wish to present to all of you. I don't know why i'm being so cryptic about this, it's really dumb

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Greetings Farmers. I am new here but I have lurked on this thread for quite some time. And I have an idea that I wish to present to all of you. I don't know why i'm being so cryptic about this, it's really dumb

Welcome, No need to ask permission just say what you want to bring to the table this is an open place.

 

[You can call me Lea]

Thanks for the welcome AchtunaRoll, I wasn't expecting that! See I'm a pretty well-versed fanfic writer-crossovers and AUs and the like with a couple original works. I want to propose a Sonichu style self insert fanfiction about fighting Lily Orchard and various other internet trolls-except with more effort on my part.

 

[LuciusTheTrap]

Damn, Lily is a shit friend. She won't even be there for you to talk to if you're having a rough time.

Nah, Lily's right on this one. As harsh as it sounds, your health comes first, and you're not responsible for anyone's well-being but your own. This includes friends and family. Some people are just so mentally ill that you can't do anything for them, and that cycle of trying and failing to help someone WILL have a negative effect on you. If it happens often enough, you eventually grow desensitized to their woes, and that leads to frustration, which leads to resentment.

That's not to say you should abandon your friends the moment something serious comes up, but that you should be wary of patterns and know when to abandon a ship you see is sinking. With some people you're not gonna achieve anything except frying your nerves with worry and anger. I've been in that position before, and trust me it is not pretty.

 

[work of art]

Thanks for the welcome AchtunaRoll, I wasn't expecting that! See I'm a pretty well-versed fanfic writer-crossovers and AUs and the like with a couple original works. I want to propose a Sonichu style self insert fanfiction about fighting Lily Orchard and various other internet trolls-except with more effort on my part.

heres some advice for you, dont try to "fight" or "own" cows. the best mentality possible is being a spectator with a bucket of popcorn watching the cows ruining themselves

nothing wrong with editing her wikis, archiving stuff or other stuff like that, but straight up writing a fanfic seems to involve too much emotional attachment for me to tell you to go ahead with it

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Thanks for the welcome AchtunaRoll, I wasn't expecting that! See I'm a pretty well-versed fanfic writer-crossovers and AUs and the like with a couple original works. I want to propose a Sonichu style self insert fanfiction about fighting Lily Orchard and various other internet trolls-except with more effort on my part.

That’s a dumb idea. And it will make YOU an look like an lolcow.

 

[aGhost]

To be fair, I think I know what Lily is getting at. She's specifically talking about people who feel obligated to shoulder all of the responsibility for their loved ones' mental well-being, and wear themselves out trying to singlehandedly "fix" their friend's depression, anger issues, or whatever, and think that if they can't spend all their emotional (or sometimes material) resources on somebody, then they're a bad friend and a bad person. Yes, I actually agree with Lily here. She's not telling you to abandon your friends if they're in a rough spot emotionally (at least in this paragraph she isn't), she's telling you not to blame yourself if you can't make people "better" on your own.
So, uh, yeah. You know what they say about broken clocks.
EDIT: The rest of her diatribe is terrible, though.

britts-galaxy-brain

I am so sorry that you had to deal with what Lily put you through. There are some recent posts on her tumblr about what she thinks about people in abusive relationships and when to stop helping them,…

britts-galaxy-brain.tumblr.com

 

[Stuck Pooh]

I personally disagree on the notion that facet of Mikaila is something she developed after dating Liliana. I think Mikaila just in general likes, or at least very used to be, the peacekeeper and a people's pleaser, putting everyone else she cares about before herself.

Liliana might be a emotionally manipulative abuser but she can't change someone's personality, not after just a few years of dating at least. She just happened to find someone that already had this trait and has exploited her for all of it's worth since then, getting all the free art and labor she wants. She'll keep milking Mikaila until Mikaila herself snaps out of it or there's nothing else to milk, but she won't notice by herself that something is wrong as long she can get what she wants.

Hmm, yea I see what you mean. I agree that Mikaila's submissive disposition is not something that Lily caused, and that it was because of this that Lily latched onto her - we don't know what Mikaila was like before getting together with Lily, and she had been a total ass before too, so I can only speculate what behaviour of hers is being a direct response to Lily. And all in all, that isn't very productive.

It's safe to say that so long as her Patreon can keep her in that apartment she'll go on till she dies of old age. She's too stubborn to change and loves herself too much to self-destruct or self-harm. That's the way with narcissists. The only way to get them to stop is to make fun of them.

Hmm, interesting...
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Dread-wind says they were watching a preview and it's been days since the stream she had this up on. So the only way they could have seen it and sent an ask about it this late is that they were watching it through me. But Lily just takes it in her stride and doesn't question where they saw it from.
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Dread-wind has no footprint besides interacting with our girl.

But Lily quickly uploads the clip I highlighted so this line of questioning goes no further.
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Ween, Lurker, or Sockpuppet confirmed.
Either way
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Lily on Sexual fics
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In minor news. Lolo is back from France (twitter lockdown):
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Dipping into Lily's victim playbook like they are some hurt baby bird.
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A diet of Lily Orchard from a young age makes autistic people go spare.
They should put a warning label on her work like they do with cigarettes.

Ok, I'll be a total sperg about the Bruce Timm thing for a minute;

Spoiler: Twitter missunderstands what 'the male gaze' is.

It a loaded topic with lots of room for discussion, but essentially, it's not that much about design of a character, but about how they're portrayed.

Male gaze is the avareness of the person depicted in an art form, to being seen by a viewer and involving them in some capacity.
Early examples of the male gaze are found in nude painting from the Reinassance. When nude women are painted to look at the viewer looking at them the painting. Like this one:

It's designed in a way where the woman's attention is directed at the viewer, instead of whatever she's engaged in (this also goes for paintings where they're drawn engaging with lovers). It implies that she isn't nude for her own sake but for the viewers sake, to be displayed.

That sketch fromn Timm with Harley and Ivy is male gaze, but not because of their designs, but because 1. Harley's crotch is facing the viewer despite jot needing to, and 2., because they're ''adressing'' the viewer by looking and talking to them - thus ''involving'' the viewer.
It has nothing to do with their designs, those are fucking neat.

Things get more complicated with movies and comics, where the viewer is the camera/frame.

Eat, Bang, Kill is a weird example of this, because it has so many fourth wall breaks and it's written in a way where the characters are constantly aware that they're being watched.

I wanted to get this of my chest.

 

[You can call me Lea]

That’s a dumb idea. And it will make YOU an look like an lolcow.

heres some advice for you, dont try to "fight" or "own" cows. the best mentality possible is being a spectator with a bucket of popcorn watching the cows ruining themselves

nothing wrong with editing her wikis, archiving stuff or other stuff like that, but straight up writing a fanfic seems to involve too much emotional attachment for me to tell you to go ahead with it

Sorry I just really wanted to show my work to some people familar with Lily. But you have a point. Now I'm kinda sad tho

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Ok, I'll be a total sperg about the Bruce Timm thing for a minute

TLDR: John Berger and Michel Foucault would kick Lolo’s and Lily’s ass

Sorry I just really wanted to show my work to some people familar with Lily. But you have a point. Now I'm kinda sad tho

Again @You can call me Lea you don't need anyone's permission to show anything. Stand up for yourself and more importantly stand behind your work if you want to show it. But if people share their negative opinion of it then that's their own business and something you should take on for the next thing you write, not something you should take to heart. We're all just here to have fun and that means you too, there's no reason to be sad.

Not learning is how Lily got to where she is.

 

[work of art]

Nah, Lily's right on this one. As harsh as it sounds, your health comes first, and you're not responsible for anyone's well-being but your own. This includes friends and family. Some people are just so mentally ill that you can't do anything for them, and that cycle of trying and failing to help someone WILL have a negative effect on you. If it happens often enough, you eventually grow desensitized to their woes, and that leads to frustration, which leads to resentment.

That's not to say you should abandon your friends the moment something serious comes up, but that you should be wary of patterns and know when to abandon a ship you see is sinking. With some people you're not gonna achieve anything except frying your nerves with worry and anger. I've been in that position before, and trust me it is not pretty.

https://lily-orchard-gossip-blog.tumblr.com/post/693288605604544512/theres-no-shame-in-stepping-back-from-someone

reply from the gossip blog that i think explains my views very well

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

britts-galaxy-brain

I am so sorry that you had to deal with what Lily put you through. There are some recent posts on her tumblr about what she thinks about people in abusive relationships and when to stop helping them,…

britts-galaxy-brain.tumblr.com

Yeah. We really have to remember full context for what Lily is talking about. It is absolutely true that some people prefer to be miserable and will spread that misery to others, and that at some point you have to disengage with an emotional vampire.

But that's not actually what Lily is talking about, because everything Lily talks about is always about her and has to be viewed through that lens. She's talking about how other people will have problems and she'll give them really stellar advice like 'Just leave your family' or 'Just leave the relationship' or 'Go get therapy' or try love-bombing them to make them feel better when that's just not what somebody needs. And when they don't respond the right way, well, LOOK, Lily has already TRIED to help you, you asshole, the fact that you haven't INSTANTLY turned your life around or you're bitching about how hard it is to leave an abusive relationship where you're financially dependent on your abuser why the fuck are you still whining at Lily?

Meanwhile, yeah, Lily demands everybody else's attention. We know this from a pattern of behavior where she will put herself front and center, where not paying attention to her while you're dealing with a loss in the family is abusive, where not dropping everything to play World of Warcraft with her is negligent, where not behaving exactly the way Lily expects you to -- like not staying on a late-night stream to your own detriment, or implying that Lily is guilty for you not going to sleep -- is your fault you bitch you should have said something so I didn't have to feel bad about YOU.

Hmm, yea I see what you mean. I agree that Mikaila's submissive disposition is not something that Lily caused, and that it was because of this that Lily latched onto her - we don't know what Mikaila was like before getting together with Lily, and she had been a total ass before too, so I can only speculate what behaviour of hers is being a direct response to Lily. And all in all, that isn't very productive.

Mikaila talked about her previous relationship in a stream maybe two years ago, stating that it was mutually abusive. This obviously isn't a broad scope of how Mikaila behaved before, but I'm guessing that the guilt about it is part of her submissive attitude, and that Lily has absolutely taken advantage of it. After all, in Lily's ideal relationships, nobody ever fights or argues. Ever having a real disagreement is signs of abuse. Even moreso given Mikaila's history. It's necessary for the good of the relationship that Mikaila shut up and keep quiet. Wouldn't want to be an abuser again, right?

It a loaded topic with lots of room for discussion, but essentially, it's not that much about design of a character, but about how they're portrayed.

Male gaze is the avareness of the person depicted in an art form, to being seen by a viewer and involving them in some capacity.

Yes, exactly. A character's design can be suggestive, but if they're treated as any other character by the camera then it's not 'male gaze'. Meanwhile, you can have a design that's ostensibly conservative, but if you're arranging the character and angle in ways to show off their assets, you're still indulging in 'male gaze'.

This in particular is pretty funny because on that 'not male gaze' comic page the FIRST THING I saw was Harley's ass shoved right up in the camera, and the first panel has Ivy arranged in such a way to make sure you can see down her cleavage. Take the individual panels versus the Bruce Timm sketch (as opposed to diluting them across a comic page, which -- because they're smaller panels relative to the sketch -- tricks the eye into thinking it's not as big a deal), especially that second panel featuring Harley('s ass) and Poison Ivy arranged on the bed in such a way that yeah, it's definitely for the benefit of the reader.

 

[aGhost]

Yeah. We really have to remember full context for what Lily is talking about. It is absolutely true that some people prefer to be miserable and will spread that misery to others, and that at some point you have to disengage with an emotional vampire.

But that's not actually what Lily is talking about, because everything Lily talks about is always about her and has to be viewed through that lens. She's talking about how other people will have problems and she'll give them really stellar advice like 'Just leave your family' or 'Just leave the relationship' or 'Go get therapy' or try love-bombing them to make them feel better when that's just not what somebody needs. And when they don't respond the right way, well, LOOK, Lily has already TRIED to help you, you asshole, the fact that you haven't INSTANTLY turned your life around or you're bitching about how hard it is to leave an abusive relationship where you're financially dependent on your abuser why the fuck are you still whining at Lily?

Meanwhile, yeah, Lily demands everybody else's attention. We know this from a pattern of behavior where she will put herself front and center, where not paying attention to her while you're dealing with a loss in the family is abusive, where not dropping everything to play World of Warcraft with her is negligent, where not behaving exactly the way Lily expects you to -- like not staying on a late-night stream to your own detriment, or implying that Lily is guilty for you not going to sleep -- is your fault you bitch you should have said something so I didn't have to feel bad about YOU.



Mikaila talked about her previous relationship in a stream maybe two years ago, stating that it was mutually abusive. This obviously isn't a broad scope of how Mikaila behaved before, but I'm guessing that the guilt about it is part of her submissive attitude, and that Lily has absolutely taken advantage of it. After all, in Lily's ideal relationships, nobody ever fights or argues. Ever having a real disagreement is signs of abuse. Even moreso given Mikaila's history. It's necessary for the good of the relationship that Mikaila shut up and keep quiet. Wouldn't want to be an abuser again, right?



Yes, exactly. A character's design can be suggestive, but if they're treated as any other character by the camera then it's not 'male gaze'. Meanwhile, you can have a design that's ostensibly conservative, but if you're arranging the character and angle in ways to show off their assets, you're still indulging in 'male gaze'.

This in particular is pretty funny because on that 'not male gaze' comic page the FIRST THING I saw was Harley's ass shoved right up in the camera, and the first panel has Ivy arranged in such a way to make sure you can see down her cleavage. Take the individual panels versus the Bruce Timm sketch (as opposed to diluting them across a comic page, which -- because they're smaller panels relative to the sketch -- tricks the eye into thinking it's not as big a deal), especially that second panel featuring Harley('s ass) and Poison Ivy arranged on the bed in such a way that yeah, it's definitely for the benefit of the reader.

They really stay on the shallow end of the "male gaze" argument. And they completely ignore the fact that lesbians and bi women also like creating characters they find sexy and empowering. And they completely ignore iconic characters that were drawn to traditionally appeal to the "male gaze" while given a personality that completely contrasts that.

Take Jessica Rabbit, for example. One of her main struggles is how she is perceived by others as opposed to who she really is. She's canonically asexual, values a sense of humor and respect above all else in a partner, she's a selfless wife that risked her relationship to save her husband's career, and only uses her looks to get by because she isn't taken seriously enough to get decent work elsewhere.

Lily is still stuck in that old discourse mentality that basically boils down to "this character is attractive therefore they're male-gazy!"

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Sorry I just really wanted to show my work to some people familar with Lily. But you have a point. Now I'm kinda sad tho

You don’t need to apologize, I’m sorry I was harsh but writing a story about Lily Orchard won’t make you look better or her look terrible. In fact, it just might backfire on you.

And if you want to write stories, go ahead. Have fun.

 

[You can call me Lea]

You don’t need to apologize, I’m sorry I was harsh but writing a story about Lily Orchard won’t make you look better or her look terrible. In fact, it just might backfire on you.

And if you want to write stories, go ahead. Have fun.

Thanks, I understand. I was kinda feeling out of place here and you have a point anyways. Still, all I really want to do is to share the ideas, not necessarily publish them but now that I think about it I might have more of a parasocial relationship with Lily than I think....just not an admiration one (And I can acknowledge my faults at least) . Would. you at least like to hear the premise?

 

[A Very Big Fish]

They really stay on the shallow end of the "male gaze" argument. And they completely ignore the fact that lesbians and bi women also like creating characters they find sexy and empowering. And they completely ignore iconic characters that were drawn to traditionally appeal to the "male gaze" while given a personality that completely contrasts that.

Take Jessica Rabbit, for example. One of her main struggles is how she is perceived by others as opposed to who she really is. She's canonically asexual, values a sense of humor and respect above all else in a partner, she's a selfless wife that risked her relationship to save her husband's career, and only uses her looks to get by because she isn't taken seriously enough to get decent work elsewhere.

Lily is still stuck in that old discourse mentality that basically boils down to "this character is attractive therefore they're male-gazy!"

The Ivy picture I'm like 90% sure was from a book Bruce Timm put out that was literally supposed to be pin-up art. That being said, Bruce Timm also created the character of Harley Quinn from whole cloth, and was indispensable in creating much of the modern DC animated universe in the late 90's and early 00's, including writing plenty of fantastic female characters who were all much more than just eye candy.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Thanks, I understand. I was kinda feeling out of place here and you have a point anyways. Still, all I really want to do is to share the ideas, not necessarily publish them but now that I think about it I might have more of a parasocial relationship with Lily than I think....just not an admiration one (And I can acknowledge my faults at least) . Would. you at least like to hear the premise?

I don’t think you should share it here, this is not a good place to share ideas like that.

And no, I would not.

 

[You can call me Lea]

Ah, I understand. It's just so hard to talk to people about it (AKA my mom) since they don't really know who Lily is. Still, if you have any other ideas of where I can share it and get feedback I'm all ears. Though I now understand why it's not exactly cool to make that kinda stuff about people with an internet following like that. Sorry to bother you

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Ah, I understand. It's just so hard to talk to people about it (AKA my mom) since they don't really know who Lily is. Still, if you have any other ideas of where I can share it and get feedback I'm all ears. Though I now understand why it's not exactly cool to make that kinda stuff about people with an internet following like that. Sorry to bother you

It’s okay, you’re learning. Just keep improving and my advice, you should write stuff that doesn’t involve Lily Orchard. Lily is a toxic person.

Write something that makes you happy.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Lilly: "Bruce Timm created Harley Quinn and then ten years later other people gave her a personality."

Translation: Bruce Timm created Harley Quinn with a fun personality and heavy issues that were interesting to explore, then comic writers took away all her personality and intrigue to make her a wine mom that breaks the fourth wall sometimes because actually exploring serious topics is too hard and depressing.