Do freemasons devil worship? - Altiyan Childs "exposing" free masonry

[Fools Idol]

They'd probably get more new blood if they did worship the Devil. I'd join if they spent more time on Eyes Wide Shut parties instead of some gay ass geriatrics club.

 

[Dr. Hannibal Buress]

I used to think there was something up with them until 2 facts opened my eyes,
1. I discovered Several low IQ morons I knew in HS were members in leadership roles, and any organization which had those jackwagons as High ranking members couldn't control jack shit.

2. When he died we discovered my grandfather was a 33rd degree high muckity muck in the masons, and and he was a deeply religious God fearing man who would have left if he got even a whiff os satanism or devil worship.

I inherited his meticulous journals he kept from the time he was in WW2 until his death in the 80's, and one of the volumes included a lot of notes from freemason meetings where the top discussion at every single meeting was a) which charity they would donate their budget excesses too, and b) who would be bringing the booze and cigars to the next get together.

As far as I can tell it was solely mens drinking club where they did social and business networking, as well as charity and community service to engender good will and respect from the community.

As for the ritual aspect, every single exclusive fraternal organization has rituals to set their members apart from others, and they are often strange if only to be memorable to the initiates and members so that they can go to any lodge or chapter and have a common experience to bond them together.

 

[Fek]

Outwardly facing, they are the old man frat club many are using as a false all-encompassing (and dismissive) hot take. Most members have zero knowledge of what is going on at the top of the hierarchy, and simply think it's a fraternity that does good things for its local community, etc. Most members have nothing to do with the OP's question and should not be demonized as such.

Edit: Apparently the spoiler tag is busted? I don't know wtf is going on. Skip to the orange sentence if you don't wanna read the tinfoil.

Now, that being said: contained within the upper echelons of the order is what is known these days as Luciferian ideals. Worship of the "light-bringer" as he is known to many mystery cults (most of which have relationships with Freemasonry) is commonplace. However, as per their own rules, light cannot exist without the darkness, for they are two sides of the same occultist coin, so to speak. Altiyan Childs speaks at length of this within the video you're referencing.

Now, what is meant by "Luciferian," I'm sure you're asking. Lucifer is a sort of catch-all iteration on all gods worshiped over the ages that stood for hidden/secret knowledge, human sacrifice, and the sun. Moloch was already mentioned, in addition to Saturn, Osiris/Isis, Nimrod, Baal, Marduk, Janus, Satan, and many more which escape me at the moment. They twist history, rewrite tradition, withold knowledge, and look down upon you (like the "useless eater" you are) all the while. They erect monuments and idols to their gods all across the world, feed the public some silly bullshit story (which they naturally eat up without question), and laugh at how stupid they are. Again, the video (if I recall properly) talked at length about this sort of thing.

Now, if that's all the case, then why are people in this thread swearing it's nothing like that? Why are they swearing to have grandfathers who were Freemasons and he/his belongings proves nothing nefarious going on? Secrecy. If you talk a little too much (especially naming names) or a little too loudly, you get killed. It's contained within their own texts, after all. The fact that people can have family members who are part of the order and achieve (allegedly) the 33rd degree without anyone thinking anything of it is a testament to the secrecy.

Yes, I know exactly how all that sounds. No, don't take my word for it. Read it for yourselves in the following.

If you want a more interactive method for answering the OP's question? Here's a super fun exercise. Take a look through this:

https://archive.org/details/PikeAlbertMoralsAndDogmaOfFreemasonryEN1871575P.

See if you can make your way through all of that without finding yourself raising an eyebrow or two..

 

[Shpongoolio Trismegistus]

Not really. Unless you're initiated into the Gnostic mysteries there is little point in speculating on the nature of that which is worshiped by the votaries of organizations such as the Masons. The door to such knowledge is barred by the wisdom needed to find it.

You are yet to taste of the milk that nurses the snakes.

 

[Bobjob]

Not really. Unless you're initiated into the Gnostic mysteries there is little point in speculating on the nature of that which is worshiped by the votaries of organizations such as the Masons. The door to such knowledge is barred by the wisdom needed to find it.

You are yet to taste of the milk that nurses the snakes.

And to gain this wisdom you speak of I must become a mason? Is your statement in itself a speculation? Where do I drink this milk? Why can't you just give me some straight answers or indications.

 

[Bobjob]

I

Outwardly facing, they are the old man frat club many are using as a false all-encompassing (and dismissive) hot take. Most members have zero knowledge of what is going on at the top of the hierarchy, and simply think it's a fraternity that does good things for its local community, etc. Most members have nothing to do with the OP's question and should not be demonized as such.

Edit: Apparently the spoiler tag is busted? I don't know wtf is going on. Skip to the orange sentence if you don't wanna read the tinfoil.

Now, that being said: contained within the upper echelons of the order is what is known these days as Luciferian ideals. Worship of the "light-bringer" as he is known to many mystery cults (most of which have relationships with Freemasonry) is commonplace. However, as per their own rules, light cannot exist without the darkness, for they are two sides of the same occultist coin, so to speak. Altiyan Childs speaks at length of this within the video you're referencing.

Now, what is meant by "Luciferian," I'm sure you're asking. Lucifer is a sort of catch-all iteration on all gods worshiped over the ages that stood for hidden/secret knowledge, human sacrifice, and the sun. Moloch was already mentioned, in addition to Saturn, Osiris/Isis, Nimrod, Baal, Marduk, Janus, Satan, and many more which escape me at the moment. They twist history, rewrite tradition, withold knowledge, and look down upon you (like the "useless eater" you are) all the while. They erect monuments and idols to their gods all across the world, feed the public some silly bullshit story (which they naturally eat up without question), and laugh at how stupid they are. Again, the video (if I recall properly) talked at length about this sort of thing.

Now, if that's all the case, then why are people in this thread swearing it's nothing like that? Why are they swearing to have grandfathers who were Freemasons and he/his belongings proves nothing nefarious going on? Secrecy. If you talk a little too much (especially naming names) or a little too loudly, you get killed. It's contained within their own texts, after all. The fact that people can have family members who are part of the order and achieve (allegedly) the 33rd degree without anyone thinking anything of it is a testament to the secrecy.

Yes, I know exactly how all that sounds. No, don't take my word for it. Read it for yourselves in the following.

If you want a more interactive method for answering the OP's question? Here's a super fun exercise. Take a look through this:

https://archive.org/details/PikeAlbertMoralsAndDogmaOfFreemasonryEN1871575P.

See if you can make your way through all of that without finding yourself raising an eyebrow or two..

I loosely read a few bits and pieces of the book you suggested. It seems rather disjointed and hard to read. Read some reviews and the consensus is rather polarising.

Gathering from what you said, can we assume these following things: modern religion (which is compremised by masonic entities) indoctrinates its practitioners to be fearful of these alternative god's in a bid to conceal truth? It is taught that Lucifer (umbrella term for the god(s) of ancient knowledge) is evil. When perhaps it is these ancient god's that they worship reveal the truths to reality? Morality is just another tool to distract general population? Lucifer bad - God™ good. Truth seeking bad. Knowledge is evil... God is the only truth.. be a "good" Christian etc. So on and so forth. Or am I barking up the wrong tree...

 

[Dom Cruise]

Does anyone actually take Freemason/Illuminati conspiracy theories seriously anymore? Seems like if you're conspiracy minded you can't help but look at the tiny hat people as the most likely culprits, the other stuff just seems downright quaint now.

But speaking personally, I can still believe in the whole Devil worshipers thing.

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I loosely read a few bits and pieces of the book you suggested. It seems rather disjointed and hard to read. Read some reviews and the consensus is rather polarising.

Gathering from what you said, can we assume these following things: modern religion (which is compremised by masonic entities) indoctrinates its practitioners to be fearful of these alternative god's in a bid to conceal truth? It is taught that Lucifer (umbrella term for the god(s) of ancient knowledge) is evil. When perhaps it is these ancient god's that they worship reveal the truths to reality? Morality is just another tool to distract general population? Lucifer bad - God™ good. Truth seeking bad. Knowledge is evil... God is the only truth.. be a "good" Christian etc. So on and so forth. Or am I barking up the wrong tree...

Knowledge can definitely be a destructive force though, look at the internet, all of humanity's knowledge at everyone's fingertips but it only seems to be making everything worse, not better.

Sometimes less is more.

 

[Bobjob]

Does anyone actually take Freemason/Illuminati conspiracy theories seriously anymore? Seems like if you're conspiracy minded you can't help but look at the tiny hat people as the most likely culprits, the other stuff just seems downright quaint now.

But speaking personally, I can still believe in the whole Devil worshipers thing.


Knowledge can definitely be a destructive force though, look at the internet, all of humanity's knowledge at everyone's fingertips but it only seems to be making everything worse, not better.

Sometimes less is more.

In regards to your last statement which I definitely agree on. But it really depends on your perspective of life. Recently I have been extensively researching nutrition and diet. The more I have researched the more it has caused stress which is definitely counter productive to my current situation. So on one hand I'd like to stop being so cautious with food, and just enjoy each meal for what it is (return to the simplicity of ignorance). But on the other hand the knowledge I have garnered(valid or not) is positively affecting my physical health. So ultimately knowledge, in my experience, is a trade of energy. That's what my philosophy is but I am slightly retarded and like the sound of my own voice.

 

[Dom Cruise]

In regards to your last statement which I definitely agree on. But it really depends on your perspective of life. Recently I have been extensively researching nutrition and diet. The more I have researched the more it has caused stress which is definitely counter productive to my current situation. So on one hand I'd like to stop being so cautious with food, and just enjoy each meal for what it is (return to the simplicity of ignorance). But on the other hand the knowledge I have garnered(valid or not) is positively affecting my physical health. So ultimately knowledge, in my experience, is a trade of energy. That's what my philosophy is but I am slightly retarded and like the sound of my own voice.

It all comes back to the Bible, Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge but in doing so they lost paradise.

Or for what most people can understand, childhood versus adulthood, what's a big part of childhood? A lack of knowledge about the world, what's one of the things that brings about childhood's end? Knowledge, for most people the happiest days of our lives are when we were kids or at least there's a special magic to being a kid that is ultimately lost the more you learn.

And our modern information age, I know I was a much happier person before the internet forced me to look at the tiny hat people and our Nubian friends in a different light.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Now what about the Shriners?

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I almost forgot about this episode. It’s a classic.

 

[Bobjob]

So there seems to be varying explanations and opinions on my original question. The general consensus is that freemasonry is an old man's club. If there is luciferian worship - it is either a LARP or 'legitimately' for whatever reason practised by the upper crust of the organisation(s). In conjunction with Ocham's razor it is most likely that it is in fact just a global lemon party with deep roots. It is the religious nuts that like to attribute anything 'mystical' as Eviiiil. I know the internet is a perfect place to give platforms to retards like myself. But lots of people extensively research the symbolism and dive into the rabbit holes. Providing evidence that raises eyebrows and questions. Some from seemingly intelligent people, not regurgitited retard cum. Enough to make you think. If it's not free masonry that is involved in mysticism / occult practises or worshipping a real ancient evil god. Is it tiny hat people? Or a secret society that is indeed true to its name.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I was invited to a freemasonry meeting a couple of months ago. It was a semi-open conference with speeches on a number of subjects and every member got to invite one outsider in.

I looked at the subjects being covered, and more than half of the speeches were related to devil related iconography. The people who invited me btw are ridiculously wealthy weirdos that I only vaguely know, but for some reason have always taken a strong liking to me.

Now I'm sure pentagrams, lillith and broken pentagrams can have a number of of different meanings, but it's not a far fetched idea that there may be some of that going on.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You have to keep in mind why people join secret societies. Generally, it's to escape society's norms. Therefore, you can extrapolate that when the US was more religious, such organizations would not be. Furthermore, you can conclude that many of these organizations will be different in different cultures. There will be differences and even cultural divisions amongst these groups, so just because a society is religious one organization could be angry that they're deists while another could feel like society isn't religious enough. Whatever their beliefs are, they often don't feel comfortable enough to air them publicly which can be due to social ostracization or thanks to political officers/police. Way back when it was difficult to discuss anything without fear of creating mass hysteria or risking the king dropping a permaban hammer on your head. So at one point in time, some of these organizations probably were the modern-day equivalent of professors sharing peer-reviewed studies. Ironically if the culture in the US continues to shift to the left and people can't express their feelings regarding the left's sacred cows, these types of organizations will likely draw and attract more conservatives. Or perhaps these type of people will create their own organizations.

I am not a mason or in any such group, but I have run into a couple of them in the US and even in LATAM. In both instances, they were men older than me and it seemed to me to be a geriatric organization for lonely middle-aged and elderly men who wanted to feel special/empowered. In Latin America, they came across more like a religion. They were not very fond of Catholicism and were more left-wing than the rest of the populace. In the US at least to me, they seem more like old guys trying to network because they're elderly, bored, and want to hawk goods. It was a small sample size but they reminded me of some of the boomers that spam posts about 1776 and 'don't tread on me.'

Btw you also have to keep in mind why people start such societies. It's different from joining. The people who create them have a vision of wanting something different.
But the more interesting thing is the motivation of people who have the ambition and success in assuming leadership of such a group. They're almost always in it for the power.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Last I checked, members of the Church of Satan aren't allowed to join.
There's defiantly some crazy shit that's happened in the past, but that's more the exception than the rule.
Either way, if there's devil worship and virgins involved, I never got the invite

 

[Little oak tree]

Is this evil molock even 'real' / supernatural or just a projection of their own twisted morals or lack there of.

The stablished order, just an imperfect human "order"

Won't be surprised if that's the case as really they do worship blood sacrifice and having sex with anything that moves mainly fag hookers

mainly kids*

You have to keep in mind why people join secret societies. Generally, it's to escape society's norms.

I'd argue it's to control society's norms from the shadows.

 

[Beak Thing]

Is this evil molock even 'real' / supernatural or just a projection of their own twisted morals or lack there of.

Unfortunately the only sources we have are extremely biased Jewish and Roman ones describing their mortal enemies, so who knows what it actually was.

Melqart has a similar root as Moloch but I'm not aware of any human sacrifices associated with that god as he was actively worshipped under the Roman Republic/Empire for a long time. Rome expressly outlawed human sacrifice in the 1st century BC.

 

[Little oak tree]

Masons are such pieces of shit that they probably prepared the set for when light carriers like Jesus Christ came they could frame them and steal their wisdom as theirs, because that's the only thing their stupid heads allow them to do

Unfortunately the only sources we have are extremely biased Jewish and Roman ones describing their mortal enemies, so who knows what it actually was.

Melqart has a similar root as Moloch but I'm not aware of any human sacrifices associated with that god as he was actively worshipped under the Roman Republic/Empire for a long time. Rome expressly outlawed human sacrifice in the 1st century BC.

Any "Demons" or "Gods" other than GOD is Moloch, or Baal, or Zeus, or whatever. Just the human powers that be and their retarded slaves fighting to defend them.
GOD doesn't need anything from humans, Baal or Moloch always need human sacrifices to sustain their disgusting power.

 

[Little oak tree]

Any "Demons" or "Gods" other than GOD is Moloch

I'll correct my previous statement, any "thing" that wants to be worshipped as a God.

 

[Beak Thing]

Any "Demons" or "Gods" other than GOD is Moloch, or Baal, or Zeus, or whatever. Just the human powers that be and their retarded slaves fighting to defend them.

Fighting and dying over religion, the truth of which is something nobody can ever prove objectively, is definitely one of the most retarded human behaviors.

Now I don't mean martyrs or acting self-defense, that's completely fine. I mean the types of idiots that go off on wars of aggression to make their god happy or blow themselves up because some guy in the 7th century maybe said they'd get some virgins out of it.