War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

Status
Not open for further replies.
President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

Article
 

This vid was going around, but now with captions, so one of Putin's supersoldiers / dreg mercs from the Wagner Group giving cheek to police men who put manners on him.
When the ship be sinking, the rats will scramble and fight amongst themselves to get off and blame each other. I'm not hopeful that Russia can remain together if they are still in this war this time next year. The country will rip itself apart. The only sane thing to do is end the invasion and start selling gas again.

Gotta love Xi basically telling Putin they will buy all the gas they can, at half of what Europe would pay of course. Xi has found another NK, this one with many more resources. I'd laugh if there wasn't a chance of nuclear annihilation if Vlad continues his insanity.
 
Russians act like a mongol horde, part of me thinks they want some weird vengeance for what they suffered and can do fuck all but act like their abusers, but they're going the wrong way because they're scared of them yellow people.
To be fair, considering what their logistics have been like in Ukraine, something tells me we'd be seeing horses instead of farm tractors towing away fuel-less tanks if they invaded Mongolia. The Baron von Ungern-Sternberg would finally have his revenge on the Bolsheviks, and Mongolia would probably just turn around and use those tanks to re-conquer Russia and exact tribute.
 

SBU phone intercepts. Russia soldier advised Ukies don't cut balls, and go home via exchange program, RU soldiers finding it hard. Now I don't think this was posted, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa if it was, but my connection here is a bit ambiguous thanks to angry, mentally ill men in dresses.
Twas me who did it first, but heck it, I don't blame you for not seeing it. As again, I can't help but feel for em.

THAT ASIDE, Military History Visualised dropped a new video discussing Russian successes in disrupting communications and air defenses, and Ukrainian damage control.
 
Shit just got real. Germany nationalized some refineries that belong to Russian state owned Rosneft. They are worth billions of dollars.


The Russian attacked another dam and therman power plant. The Kherson front is on the verge of collapse according to the video. The Chechens in the northern Kharkiv front are saying they won't fight unless the situation improves in the other fronts. I haven't heard good things about the magical Chechens. I mean in terms of the quality as soldiers. I have heard them called the TikTok brigade. I have seen videos of them shooting at empty buildings and traffic lights. I am not impressed. Kadyrov is criticizing the Russian command in Ukraine and in Moscow now. Russian's also cut off the mobile networks or something in the Luhansk region and claim they did it for OPSEC reasons, but they most likely did it to keep word of the protests there from spreading. Apparently, the people in LPR aren't happy knowing their men were used as cannon fodder for the Russians.

 
It's a shame that we missed the moobilizatioooon and sham referenda announcements that coincidentally happened right after the well-planned and careful strategic withdrawal from Kharkiv. I saved some funny meltdownZ though, and I will probably post them when the site is more stable.

These recent developments do however make me wonder how Putin is planning to end the war. The way I see it, the best thing would be to find a way to end the war without losing face, perhaps by coming to an agreement that superficially grants autonomy to the Donbas region or guarantees the rights of Russian speakers in Ukraine. I'm not saying that this would be universally supported in Ukraine, but I think that some would support a peace treaty, rather than continuing the war and potentially losing tens of thousands more people.

However, now that Russia is going to annex parts of Ukraine, it becomes extremely difficult to end the war in a face-saving way. Putin would now have to cede "Russian" territory to a country that his propaganda machine claims is full of Neo-Nazis who gleefully kill Russians. It's going to be impossible to sell that to Russians as anything other than a humiliating defeat. Putin seems to have backed himself into a corner with this, and it's probably deliberate on his part.

Oh, and the Nord Stream 1 pipe was apparently sabotaged. Of course, the vatniggers are claiming that it's the Americans. I don't trust the US government, but I don't see why it would do this. The backlash, if they were caught, would be very extreme and it would undermine American efforts to keep Europe united against Russia. I also don't see why Americans would do it now. Nord Stream 1 has been down for 'maintenance' for three or four weeks by now, and even when it was up, it was running at a reduced capacity because of 'problems' on the Russian side. It makes more sense that the Russians sabotaged it so that they could finally stop using it for good. That it happened on the same day as the Norwegian-Danish-Polish Baltic Pipe opened also seems to point towards Russia.

 

Perun feat. the Chieftain talks about captured Russian equipment in Ukraine. I don't think this was posted.

Aiden Aslin and the Moroccan Saadoun Brahim together with Shaun Pinner were freed recently and as they were serving in the UA Armed Forces they were protected under the Geneva Convention. Unlike some prisoners, they came out alive and relatively healthy, altho Aiden was used by that sex offender Dougan as a sort of prop for his miserable Russian propaganda. Aiden was captured in Azovstal and took some pictures.
 
uhhhhhh so america blew up nordstream 2 this is fucking insane
1664310948914.png
 
uhhhhhh so america blew up nordstream 2 this is fucking insane
View attachment 3696811
The text literally just says that the German government is considering the two possibilities that it's either Ukraine (or pro-Ukrainian actors) or Russia. The acknowledgment that pro-Ukrainians could have a motive is then apparently evidence that it's the US that did it. The possibility that Russia did it is dismissed out of hand by the author.

He also neglects to mention that the German article he cites for the quote also claims that the fucking CIA warned the German government weeks ago:

CIA is said to have warned the federal government

So far, so unclear. Many questions will now be directed at the German government. Apparently, the CIA warned it weeks ago of possible attacks on the natural gas pipelines. Such a tip from the U.S. foreign intelligence service was received in Berlin in the summer, reported "Spiegel" on Tuesday, citing "people familiar with the matter".


And then he mentions Gonzalo Lira. Yes! During an energy crisis where some European countries have been tempted to break with American-led sanctions, the US government is giving them a casus belli. The US government is risking everything by blowing up a pipe that hasn't been used in weeks.

Lol.JPG
 
The text literally just says that the German government is considering the two possibilities that it's either Ukraine (or pro-Ukrainian actors) or Russia. The acknowledgment that pro-Ukrainians could have a motive is then apparently evidence that it's the US that did it. The possibility that Russia did it is dismissed out of hand by the author.
Except neither of those theories make any sense, Biden literally said he would make sure that if Russia escalated "there would be no more Nordstream 2" and US ships were spotted
1664315897672.png
 
Except neither of those theories make any sense, Biden literally said he would make sure that if Russia escalated "there would be no more Nordstream 2" and US ships were spotted
It was Nordstream 1*, which has been shut down for weeks. The Russians have been making excuses for why it had to stay shut off for most of that time, usually some variation of "shit broke". They have a long history of using gas flow for political ends in their client countries, including false-flag sabotage. This would be entirely within their MO.

The fact that it happened the same day as a new pipeline from Norway to Germany/Poland officially opened is just a huge coincidence, I'm sure.

*Having said that, Biden saying they'd take out Nordstream 2 and then hitting the wrong pipeline would certainly be in character.
 

Kadyrov believes that men are leaving the Russian Federation en masse due to the influence of Western propaganda​


The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrova, admitted that Russian men are fleeing the mobilization en masse.

He wrote about this in Telegram .

Kadyrov called the Russians who try to avoid mobilization "darmoids" and "lazy people".

"Those dodgers standing in airport queues are a pitiful sight. And you involuntarily begin to understand that without this ballast everything will be better and easier. Darmoids, lazy people, dependents will never bring any benefit. It's just a pity. Useless people. Let them flee, and Russia has and has always had resources that the West has never taken into account," Kadyrov said.

Kadyrov invented the excuse that men are leaving the Russian Federation en masse due to the influence of Western propaganda.

"Yes, perhaps it is also the fault of our state, which allowed Western propaganda to spread its tentacles and dilute patriotic education," the head of Chechnya added.

(There's more if you're fascinated.)


 
Is it generally agreed that the school shooting the other day was a false flag to get Russians good and amped about kicking Nazi ass? You know, the Nazis led by a Jewish guy who grew up speaking Russian, i.e. the personification of the minority group they claim is being genocided every day or something?


 
Italy's next PM has affirmed support for Ukraine:
gmuk.png

The media tried to paint the Italian right as pro-Russia. It's true a few had an uncomfortable bromance with Putin, but they turned on him after this insane invasion.

It's a shame that we missed the moobilizatioooon and sham referenda announcements that coincidentally happened right after the well-planned and careful strategic withdrawal from Kharkiv.
Agreed, two big stories hit during the Farms downtime. I also remember some good posts lost in the hack.

Zaporizhzhia Oblast somehow voted to join Russia >93% despite the referendum being in only the barely half of the country that Russia controls, with a minority of the population.

Shit is pretty crazy y'all. Everything is going according to plan.
Damn man are you gonna get mobilized?

Is it generally agreed that the school shooting the other day was a false flag to get Russians good and amped about kicking Nazi ass?
I doubt it. Probably just another school shooting. Russia might be a depressing place to be right now so we'll see more people acting out.
 
Except neither of those theories make any sense, Biden literally said he would make sure that if Russia escalated "there would be no more Nordstream 2" and US ships were spotted
View attachment 3696959
Biden said in January, a month before the invasion, that if Russia invaded, the US would make sure that Nord Stream 2 didn't happen. My interpretation of that is that the US would send a diplomatic message sounding something like this: "WE WARNED YOU FUCKERS ABOUT DEPENDENCE ON RUSSIA. Even Dementia Biden knows better than to confront Russia while being dependent on Russian gas!!!" Nord Stream 2 was never even turned on because the German government sanctioned Russia after it officially recognized the Donbas republics, and as I previously mentioned, Nord Stream 1 was shut down by Russia four weeks ago.

The other interpretation seems too far-fetched. The German market liberals who are in the Green-Red coalition care about the economy, so letting it crash to save Ukraine would be unpopular. The Christian conservative party also cares about the economy, or at least has to pretend to, so they would also not be willing to join the governing coalition if it meant ruining the economy. Unfortunately for Scholz, the socialist/communist party is the second most pro-Russian party with only 40% currently being willing to pay increased prices to support Ukraine. The German nationalist party is ironically the most pro-Russian party.

The current German government can't allow the economy to crash and the US has to know that too. However, it would be in Russia's interest to cause chaos in Germany and hope that a new government was formed. Even if that doesn't happen, cutting off Germany makes it dependent on other European countries. Although the EU countries have agreed to share resources, it could be unpopular in some countries to make sacrifices for the much richer Germany. Orban has already announced a referendum on Russian sanctions.
 
The German market liberals who are in the Green-Red coalition care about the economy, so letting it crash to save Ukraine would be unpopular.
It would. And yet them going to bat for Ukraine is causing exactly that. It's causing that literally everywhere that sided with Ukraine. Because it turns out what the West has been doing when their enemy controls their energy and food and other goods is a terrible idea.

The problem for our Goverments is a simple one. They are too far in. People don't care, it's hurting them and it is coming back to bite them. But backing out would be an unavoidable and titanic admission of failure…which would hurt the Elites even more.

Our suffering is a sacrifice they are okay with.
it could be unpopular in some countries to make sacrifices for the much richer Germany.
It is.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back