War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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[Snekposter]

It's hilarious if you think about it. The Ivans have learned absolutely nothing from WW2.

Well, no, because just like in WW2, every place the invaders have set foot in is one giant war crime. There's nothing hilarious about this at all.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

There were people saying in March on MSNBC that the Rooskies had failed to establish air superiority and that attempting to gang-rush a nation that possesses something approaching up-to-the-minute aerial photography was a strategic blunder.

If that's what they're saying on the Nicolle Wallace show, what kind of conversation is happening in the Pentagon?

I keep going back to the fearsome 40-mile convoy. Like if I saw on my TV that an invading force with no light infantry, air support, food, and so forth was going to be sending a column a mile from my house, I don't want to fedpost but a person could do some mayhem and slowing the thing down by an hour would be worth my life. Heroes have died for less.

 

[Rezza]

Remember when Vatniks here were claiming the Kherson offensive was a "failure" less than 18 hours into the operation?

But seriously, with every kilometer taken back, Ukraine pushes closer towards conventional artillery range of the bridge from Novaya Khakova.
Considering the Ukies seem to still have the momentum in the south and most the maps we see are already lagging a few hours, if not days, behind then it stands to reason they will likely hit that sweet spot before the weather turns foul.

Yeah, Russia must be depending on a plan to use the mobilized to fill their ranks and dig in to wait the winter. Kremlin must have huffed their propaganda so much to believe Europe is going to starve and freeze this winter, and entirely depend on it as their strategy.

What Ukraine is doing is most likely attacking and liberating as much land as possible before the winter hit, and before the Russian can prepare any sort of actual defense lines with the mobilized. Everything hinge on rapid attack to surround and overwhelm the Russians, which works wonderfully so far

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There were people saying in March on MSNBC that the Rooskies had failed to establish air superiority and that attempting to gang-rush a nation that possesses something approaching up-to-the-minute aerial photography was a strategic blunder.

If that's what they're saying on the Nicolle Wallace show, what kind of conversation is happening in the Pentagon?

They're probably laughing their socks off, and the only thing keeping it from being an absolute comedy is the fact that Putin threatens nuclear war.

I keep going back to the fearsome 40-mile convoy. Like if I saw on my TV that an invading force with no light infantry, air support, food, and so forth was going to be sending a column a mile from my house, I don't want to fedpost but a person could do some mayhem and slowing the thing down by an hour would be worth my life. Heroes have died for less.

That convoy was the stuff of conversation for Russiaboos. People like Mr. Obvious talking about how scary the Russians are, and all I can think is "gee, that convoy is just asking to be ambushed." Not that much in terms of infantry screening, little air support, it's like they're just daring the Ukrainians to take a shot at them, which the Ukrainians did, and that's why we have the memes with the Ukrainian tractors dragging away the tanks.

 

[Snekposter]

If that's what they're saying on the Nicolle Wallace show, what kind of conversation is happening in the Pentagon?

Imagine Risitas and J. Jonah Jameson sitting around at a table together, and you're probably close to the "conversations" that are happening. Okay, mix in a few requests to bring in more pictures of Spider-Man some random Russian general who is next on the Ukrainian hitlist.

Well, once they got over the shame of how massively they had overestimated the Russians, that is.

 

[Ghostse]

Remember when Vatniks here were claiming the Kherson offensive was a "failure" less than 18 hours into the operation?

Kherson still in Russian hands, counter offensive has failed. Ukrainazis BTFO.

Winter is the absolute worst thing the Russians could have happen to them. To draw another historical analogue, we're seeing a repeat of Barbarossa in Ukraine, where a large, prepared force attempted to launch a rapid coup de main against a smaller, disorganized force, with no plans for any real follow-up should success not occur. And the Russians are playing the role of the Germans, and much like in 1940, their opponents are getting everything they need to keep fighting handed to them on a platter by the West. All winter is going to do is buy time for Ukrainian forces to equip, train, and reinforce their lines with reserves, whereas Russia, much like the Germans, are going to be struggling to find reserves of both men and materiel.

I'd argue the opposite: Winter is going to be blessed relief for Russia and they're going to come out on the other side in better shape then when the fronts stabilize for the winter.

Its more like a boxing match, Russia is getting fucking creamed right now, but it doesn't look like Ukraine will be able to finish them before the bell.
So while Russia took an embarassing pounding, but they are going to have 6 months to sit in their corner and get their wits back. By that I mean that is like 6 months to get their new waves of conscripts trained. 6 months to service the old soviet stockpiles to get them up to modern battlefield condition and reposition their forces. 6 months to rebuild ammo supplies and try to wring China and Iran for everyth round they can. 6 months to unfuck their last mile logistics. They might even build bunkers so their munitions dumps won't be completely open air tinderboxes.
Remember Russia can arty and airstrike Ukraine all day long anywhere their guns will reach, but Ukraine can't attack outside of the 2014 borders or risk Russia saying Ukraine has escalated things to total war.

With the cold weather in China and the Stans, Russia will be able to sell more hydrocarbons. Its possible they'll work out some shell game shenanigans with LNG tankers during that time to get some more money flowing in.

Additionally, the winter will stop Ukraine's counter offensive and give Putin's camp much needed relief from societal expectations of winning the war. Its going to be too cold to fight, so Russia won't be losing territory and winter will give them excuse for not launching offensives that turn into embarrassing failures. They will be able to airstrike Ukrainian positions - or at least try too - all winter long for domestic PR points, something Ukraine won't be able to replicate.

Plus, when the spring thaw comes, there will be a couple months of deep mud that will prevent heavy equipment from moving. Russia has lots of experience with infiltration attacks using light infantry, and they still have air supremacy, especially since any Airbase on pre-2014 Russian soil is effectively safe where Russia can operate with impunity. While EU/US & relateds are more than happy to give Ukraine ground equipment, jets have not been forth coming - not that they'd be particularly useful given the ability of Russia to just park S300 and S400s on their own soil and have them pretty much untouchable.

OTOH, while Russia will have some serious advantages to play up getting ready for Round 2, Russia has miraculously managed to completely piss away every single advantage they had over the past 6 months of the Special Operation, so its very possible they'll do the same in 2023.

 

[Ponzo]

Firstly, Russia constantly tries to tie modern germany to Nazi era. I don't know what you're smoking. Putin's cock

Secondly, Germany was invaded, conquered, surrendered and had leadership IMPOSED on them by foreigners. Even if you did see a repeat of some familiar faces, this was very clearly a break in self rule.

The USSR, of which Russia was one of those republics, collapsed. But there were no foreign troops on the streets, no UN Appointed military governor or caretaker government. Russia, a soviet republic, became the Russian federation continuing an unbroken chain of government back to Lenin.
The current leader of Russia was KGB agent. Biden was never CIA director.

So either the US is exhonerated of actions from before 2020, or Russia is responsible for Soviet action. There is no logical way to give Russia a pass on the socialist collective it lead without saying the US likewise has no responsibility for actions taken before the current administration took power.

Talk about shifting goal posts. When the USSR was dissolved, which means the existing form of government was removed and replaced with the commonwealth of independent states. Ever heard of the alma ata protocol? No? The Ukes voted on independence and no attempt was made by Russia to invade them or, as you fags like to call it, "colonize" them. They lived peacefully next to each other for decades until their government was overthrown by a western funded coup and replaced with a hostile puppet regime that threatened Russia with joining NATO.

Nasser was in charge much longer than that. Nasserism lasted for decades and even when it was done, the Ba'ath adherents were in charge of Syria and Iraq, and we all know how THAT turned out.
Nasser was fucking around with Israel and due to his own inability to trust his own subordinates for fear of getting coup'ed, found out.
Israeli tanks didn't do much in the 6 days war. Their French Mirages though... whew lad.
But that still wasn't enough to unseat Nasser, thanks to his Soviet backing.

Assad is a repressive tinpot, but he's the leader Syria deserves. No one is arguing for the US to have jack shit to do with Syria. Russia isn't trying to Annex Syria. Stop strawmaning you shrived twink.

Nasser seems to trigger you hard, you sure you are not shilling for the Ukes from the JIDF basement? Nasser did whats he thought was best for his country, as did Gaddafi.

Deepthroat Putin some more, Party Favor.
You didn't just say Afghans, you said Arabs. Stop shifting goal posts. So Eurocucks were opening their borders and assholes for Arabs long before the US did anything. If europe's leaders weren't Eurocucks, they could have turned back the brown wave. But they didn't, they gave them citizenship, housing, money, and directions to the nearest mosque with a fundie cleric. Because Eurocucks.

No im pretty sure i never said the word Arab, the topic was you reeee'ing over the Soviet Afghan Invasion, trying to compare it to the US one when it came to the toll on Europe. There was no huge refugee crisis when the Soviets marched into Afghanistan. Even today you still see Afghans pour into Europe and thanks to the US Invasion and failed withdrawal. If you want to talk about the million dead Iraqis and many more displaced ones or the Syrians that were forced to flee due to the attempted regime change from the US, thats a whole other topic.

By the way, how are the afghans doing that the US imported after their catastropic retreat out of Afghanistan, where they left billions in equipment for the Taliban? Didn't they sexually assault a couple of boys and tried to rape a little girl?

That's because the retards in Donbas were doing shit like shooting down civilian airliners.
Making more 50-rubel posts? Or is your turn to cup Vlad's balls?
I wish you had a longer post history so I could get an answer to the question of if Sucking Putin's Dick makes you stupid, or if only stupid people suck Putin's dick.

You have Zelenskys circumcised dick so far up your ass that you can almost taste Biden.

Its hilarious that every time you guys want to go "US bad" you screech "Abu Ghraib!" like a broken record. Surely in our twenty years of occupying the Middle East under pretenses that even I will admit are dubious at best there should be a massive laundry list of war crimes, right? Meanwhile what happened at Abu Ghraib was A. less awful than what happens to your typical Russian conscript under dedovschina B. of AFAIK a very limited timeframe relative to our time fucking around there and C. Uncle Sam came down on the perpetrators like a ton of bricks.

You might want to watch some Wikileaks videos or count the number of victims due to drone strikes and bombings of innocent civilians. Even less reported war crimes are a thing, you forgot Somalia?
Muh democracy

Good thing for the US that they are really good at funding and training rebels that commit the war crimes for them.

Bonus videos of Ukrainian families organizing protests due missing soldiers because of heavy losses in the last two weeks and the Uke authoritities refusing to release information about whats happening on the front lines or where their loved ones are.

Another bonus video of one of Zelenskys top advisors in 2019 talking about how their plan to join NATO will prompt Russia to invade Ukraine. “They must do this before we join NATO.” "Our price for joining NATO is a big war with Russia."

The Ukraine war FORETOLD

Zelensky's Adviser, Oleksiy Arestovych, confirms that a full-scale war with Russia was pre-planned and desired by the Ukrainian regime for the purpose of joining NATO as far back as in 2019 when this

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[Ghostse]

I keep going back to the fearsome 40-mile convoy. Like if I saw on my TV that an invading force with no light infantry, air support, food, and so forth was going to be sending a column a mile from my house, I don't want to fedpost but a person could do some mayhem and slowing the thing down by an hour would be worth my life. Heroes have died for less.

I would like to hope my posts show I am no Russimp.
I have been coping & seething since 2014 when Putin was allowed to just walk away with Crimea and I fully, 100% expected Putin to follow the example of his mentor Smitry Hydeski and just keep getting away with it.

The 40 mile column was to discourage NATO from getting involved. They were expecting (and to be fair, I was expecting it as well) a replay of 2014 where the Ukraine army would fall back or get overrun/encircled and either surrender or have their bases/positions turned into self-administering POW camps until everything stabilized and they'd be disarmed and sent back.
All the light infantry to support for the column was supposed to come from left over "little green men" from the initial infiltration attack, local Russia-alligned militia, and captured/converted Ukrainian army units.
This would not be sufficient infantry to support a mechanized collumn in a real war, but it'd be enough to fend off guerillas and the quantity of armor was to cow NATO into accepting the new situation. Russia would have their sham referendums, then 'graciously, in the interests of peace' pull back.
That's how it was SUPPOSED to go, and Russia didn't really seem to have a 'plan B'.

NATO command was also expecting the Russians to have learned & applied lessons from the Belarus war games and the logistics fuck-ups that occurred there. Russia did not.

 

[Snekposter]

Kherson still in Russian hands, counter offensive has failed. Ukrainazis BTFO.



I'd argue the opposite: Winter is going to be blessed relief for Russia and they're going to come out on the other side in better shape then when the fronts stabilize for the winter.

Its more like a boxing match, Russia is getting fucking creamed right now, but it doesn't look like Ukraine will be able to finish them before the bell.
So while Russia took an embarassing pounding, but they are going to have 6 months to sit in their corner and get their wits back. By that I mean that is like 6 months to get their new waves of conscripts trained. 6 months to service the old soviet stockpiles to get them up to modern battlefield condition and reposition their forces. 6 months to rebuild ammo supplies and try to wring China and Iran for everyth round they can. 6 months to unfuck their last mile logistics. They might even build bunkers so their munitions dumps won't be completely open air tinderboxes.
Remember Russia can arty and airstrike Ukraine all day long anywhere their guns will reach, but Ukraine can't attack outside of the 2014 borders or risk Russia saying Ukraine has escalated things to total war.

With the cold weather in China and the Stans, Russia will be able to sell more hydrocarbons. Its possible they'll work out some shell game shenanigans with LNG tankers during that time to get some more money flowing in.

Additionally, the winter will stop Ukraine's counter offensive and give Putin's camp much needed relief from societal expectations of winning the war. Its going to be too cold to fight, so Russia won't be losing territory and winter will give them excuse for not launching offensives that turn into embarrassing failures. They will be able to airstrike Ukrainian positions - or at least try too - all winter long for domestic PR points, something Ukraine won't be able to replicate.

Plus, when the spring thaw comes, there will be a couple months of deep mud that will prevent heavy equipment from moving. Russia has lots of experience with infiltration attacks using light infantry, and they still have air supremacy, especially since any Airbase on pre-2014 Russian soil is effectively safe where Russia can operate with impunity. While EU/US & relateds are more than happy to give Ukraine ground equipment, jets have not been forth coming - not that they'd be particularly useful given the ability of Russia to just park S300 and S400s on their own soil and have them pretty much untouchable.

OTOH, while Russia will have some serious advantages to play up getting ready for Roun 2, Russia has managed to completely piss away every single advance they had over the past 6 months of the Special Operation, so its very possible they'll do the same in 2023.

Yeah, and Ukraine is going to have 6 months to sit in their corner and rebuild the logistics and infrastructure in recaptured areas, 6 months to rest their weary troops, 6 months to lay in reserves of munitions from Europe for the next offense. It isn't just that both sides are going to call up and train reserves, but which side will have more veterans with which to train them and integrate them into existing units. As near as I can tell we've got a boxer with a few open cuts that can be glued shut relatively easily next to one that's taken a few heavy body blows to the ribs. Which set of injuries are going to be more crippling (and indeed, who is who) will only be determined when the bell for round 2 rings. But I do maintain that Ukraine is going to be able to make better on their losses than Russia, simply because they're in a better position to start with to do so thanks to Western aid, especially since all those Soviet stockpiles are of dubious quality thanks to decades of poor storage.

As to special forces, Ukrainian ones have been putting up a surprisingly good fight even now, and they're going to use that breather as best they can. I'm sure there's plenty of Ukie vets who will be volunteering to serve as replacements in those ranks, and that's 6 months to replenish them. How many people are going to be volunteering to serve in Spetsnaz or VDV after what a disastrous showing they put up early on? As for air superiority, not if the weather is bad such as with rain or fog, and that goes double for Russian fighters with limited flight hours and poor instrumentation. Not that Ukraine is much, if any better in that regard, but its ultimately going to be a wash.

 

[Ghostse]

Talk about shifting goal posts. When the USSR was dissolved, which means the existing form of government was removed and replaced with the commonwealth of independent states. Ever heard of the alma ata protocol? No? The Ukes voted on independence and no attempt was made by Russia to invade them or, as you fags like to call it, "colonize" them. They lived peacefully next to each other for decades until their government was overthrown by a western funded coup and replaced with a hostile puppet regime that threatened Russia with joining NATO.

Didn't you say you have a job? Or is Putin having some Premature Ejaculation issues and you finished early?

And the capitial of that cabal of Commies was Moscow. Which is interestingly also the capital of Russia. And a disproportionate amount of resources and projects the USSR sponsored were inside of the borders of the current Russian Federation. And all the Russian leaders post break up were also the leaders of the USSR.
Its almost sort of like with same capital and most of the same cities and the same leadership.... the USSR was just Russia extracting wealth from a bunch of neighboring nations while proclaiming unity, and post break up Russia was still pretty much just the USSR minus the ability to extract resources from their neighbors.

Anyway, you still need to choose:
Is Russia liable for the USSR policies that allowed the concentration of wealth and resources inside the modern borders of Rusia, or is the USA blameless for everything pre-2020? I'm good rolling with whichever you pick.

Nasser seems to trigger you hard, you sure you are not shilling for the Ukes from the JIDF basement? Nasser did whats he thought was best for his country, as did Gaddafi.

Nigger, you don't get to say 'US fucked up the middle east' and then try to brush the #1 most glaring example of the Russians fucking around in the middle east with "B-b-but das juden!".

Nasser didnt' give two shits about what was good for Egypt, he cared about what was good for Nasser. He is well documented for sacking, imprisoning, and executing anyone who was competent enough to pose a threat. This how Egypt got their shit hilariously routed by a smaller force equiped with WWII surplus.
Deploying the Egyptian military to fucking YEMEN of all places did not benefit Egypt, just Nasser's ego.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of Das Juden, there was an attempt by Egypt during the 6 Days War to use their Russian Strategic bombers to flatten Israeli cities, but Russian military commander told Nasser in no uncertain terms "no". So which side of the cold war was really cucked by the Jews, hrm?

No im pretty sure i never said the word Arab, the topic was you reeee'ing over the Soviet Afghan Invasion, trying to compare it to the US one when it came to the toll on Europe. There was no huge refugee crisis when the Soviets marched into Afghanistan. Even today you still see Afghans pour into Europe and thanks to the US Invasion and failed withdrawal. If you want to talk about the million dead Iraqis and many more displaced ones or the Syrians that were forced to flee due to the attempted regime change from the US, thats a whole other topic.

By the way, how are the afghans doing that the US imported after their catastropic retreat out of Afghanistan, where they left billions in equipment for the Taliban? Didn't they sexually assault a couple of boys and tried to rape a little girl?

You said Muslim and its the same thing. Stop trying to splice words just because you and retarded attempts at argument are getting BTFO worse than when Vlad's cronnies ran a train on you.

There wasn't refugee crisis because there was no capacity for there to BE a refugee crisis. There wasn't the civilian air capability there is today in 70/80s afghanistan. Their option of fleeing the country was "USSR aka the faggots genociding them" "China aka the faggots who genocided them a few hundred years ago" and "Pakistan" - which a lot of Afghanis DID choose. But no one cared because it was Pakistan.

Europe didn't need to get overrun with browns this time around. They willing let it happen. The fact the Eurocucks are faggots is not the fault of the US.
Also Russia not choosing a better puppet for Syria than Assad is where all the Syrians came from. That's all Russian Federation and Eurocuck governments cuckin' and jivin' to diversity.

 

[WhiteNight]

Anders Puck Nielsen has an interesting new video on the Nordstream whodunnit:

He concludes it was likely a Russian op, and also that this is a bad sign because it shows Russia's desperation and that sabotage attacks on Euro infrastructure are conceivable.

 

[Super Saiyan Hitler]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

It's like saying it's okay to kill your wife just because your neighbor killed his. It's obviously not, and acting like it is while somehow also vehemently condemning your neighbor for doing it is just lunacy.

Russian bots and NPCs are on the pre-war patch. The new patch that was supposed to add more complex arguments and 'logic' has been delayed indefinitely because the programmers all decided to take spontaneous vacations recently.

 

[Uranus Pink]

This is the dumbest take from Z niggers. What fucking sense would it make for any country to allow open fifth columnists sympathetic to the enemy you're at war with?

Don't you mean any other country "besides the United States" to allow open fifth columnists to aid the enemy?

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Its more like a boxing match, Russia is getting fucking creamed right now, but it doesn't look like Ukraine will be able to finish them before the bell.
So while Russia took an embarassing pounding, but they are going to have 6 months to sit in their corner and get their wits back. By that I mean that is like 6 months to get their new waves of conscripts trained. 6 months to service the old soviet stockpiles to get them up to modern battlefield condition and reposition their forces. 6 months to rebuild ammo supplies and try to wring China and Iran for everyth round they can. 6 months to unfuck their last mile logistics. They might even build bunkers so their munitions dumps won't be completely open air tinderboxes.

Dude, this is Russia. Those conscripts are going to have the shittiest training in the world, no morale, and will probably either break ranks or surrender to the Ukrainians at the earliest opportunity; their Cold War era tech will be barely functional, because they either don't have the components to repair most of it, its broken beyond repair, or corruption will ensure that any resources going towards repair will be squandered; they won't be able to rebuild ammo supplies because the Ukrainians are cutting off all the best routes for resupply and will continue to use artillery to hit their ammo dumps. And the if the Russians weren't protecting their dumps before, they are not going to start doing so now. And all of this is not even taking into account the fact that the Russian forces probably don't even have winter equipment to give most of their troops.

Remember Russia can arty and airstrike Ukraine all day long anywhere their guns will reach, but Ukraine can't attack outside of the 2014 borders or risk Russia saying Ukraine has escalated things to total war.

Ukraine has already carried out open attacks on the Russian side of the border. And Russian artillery fire has dropped off massively since the daily high from a few months ago, both due to lack of ammo and their guns just breaking down due to being overworked. And by all reports, most of their fire was so wildly inaccurate, it didn't even hit anything. Meanwhile, the Russian Air Force has been decimated by Ukrainian AA and the UAF. If the Russians attempt anymore attacks, they just lose more planes.

Additionally, the winter will stop Ukraine's counter offensive and give Putin's camp much needed relief from societal expectations of winning the war. Its going to be too cold to fight, so Russia won't be losing territory and winter will give them excuse for not launching offensives that turn into embarrassing failures. They will be able to airstrike Ukrainian positions - or at least try too - all winter long for domestic PR points, something Ukraine won't be able to replicate.

Once again, the Russians lack air superiority and won't be launching any massive attacks anytime soon. If anything, the delays will put more pressure on Putin, considering he's already called up a general mobilization, straining Russia's already collapsing economy and putting thousands of young men needlessly in harm's way, who will now sit out the winter on a static front line.

Plus, when the spring thaw comes, there will be a couple months of deep mud that will prevent heavy equipment from moving. Russia has lots of experience with infiltration attacks using light infantry, and they still have air supremacy, especially since any Airbase on pre-2014 Russian soil is effectively safe where Russia can operate with impunity. While EU/US & relateds are more than happy to give Ukraine ground equipment, jets have not been forth coming - not that they'd be particularly useful given the ability of Russia to just park S300 and S400s on their own soil and have them pretty much untouchable.

Once again, Russia does not have air supremacy over Ukraine; they don't even have air superiority. And the Ukrainians are actually far more experienced at infiltration attacks; they've been using them since the war began and we've seen tons of war footage of small special forces teams launching ambushes behind the Russian lines. Those Russian conscripts won't have the training or skill to pull off those kinds of attacks, and Russia's elite forces were decimated in the conflict's opening months.

And finally, everything you claim applies to Russia, actually applies to Ukraine. Any stoppage in the fighting only give Ukraine more time to: a) train more troops, which the British are helping out a lot with, and b) stockpile more supplies given to them by the West. And depletions in manpower will be fixed, supplies will be filled, and new weapons systems will be brought online. This is not even getting into what Ukraine salvaged after these most recent offensives, where the Russians literally abandoned everything from Rifles to tanks as they retreated from their positions. Time is not on Russia's side, as the longer this drags on, the stronger Ukraine gets, as more of its reserves are trained and activated, and the west begins ramping up arms production so that Ukraine will get even more supplies. While the Russian economy sputters to a stop, and the Russians begin running out of equipment, gear, and vehicles because they can't fix, maintain, or build more forces on account of the embargoes.

 

[Rezza]

Reminder, gentlemen, that the Lend Lease aid has just only arrived recently, so whatever Ukraine is currently doing will be even more powerful and effective. As some of you gentlemen predicted, Ukraine is on a race to liberate as much land as possible before winter, so expect to see even more offensives from the Ukies for the remainder of this month

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

1. Russia could have literally just switched it off from their end.

2. Europe winter is on the way, with an already existing energy crisis. Russia was in a prime position to make that go away with Nordstream and make obscene amounts of money from it.

3. Sweden and USA were running joint military naval excerises in that exact area, just coincidence though huh?

4. The only country with the means to destroy the pipeline and actually profit from it is the USA.

Still think Russia did it?.... Go back to CNN you conspiracy retard.

So, the US commits a terrorist attack against its German ally during peace time, destroying vital infrastructure, and quite possible fucks Europe for the next fifty years.

Russia is going to beat Ukraine in any scenario put forward. With backing from China, India, Iran and Brazil it doesn't matter what other countries provide "support".
Also, with the current commander of the US military busy with diversity and combatting "white rage" good luck with your reserves. Along with nearly every western leader being a complete pussy, or in Biden's case a total fucking potato, what push back is there?

So far a bunch of whiny bitches screaming "sanctions" None of which have worked.
Nukes? Good luck Russia/China response will decimate the US.

 

[Ponzo]

Didn't you say you have a job? Or is Putin having some Premature Ejaculation issues and you finished early?

Its called having a break, you would know what that means if you left your mothers basement.

And the capitial of that cabal of Commies was Moscow. Which is interestingly also the capital of Russia. And a disproportionate amount of resources and projects the USSR sponsored were inside of the borders of the current Russian Federation. And all the Russian leaders post break up were also the leaders of the USSR.
Its almost sort of like with same capital and most of the same cities and the same leadership.... the USSR was just Russia extracting wealth from a bunch of neighboring nations while proclaiming unity, and post break up Russia was still pretty much just the USSR minus the ability to extract resources from their neighbors.

Gorbachev was Russian, Brezhnev was Ukrainian, Stalin was born in Georgia. The Soviet Union was just that, a union of republics that no longer exists. Blaming modern Russia for the Soviet Union is as retarded as you trying to grasp at straws because you fail to find modern examples besides that 11 day Georgian war 14 years ago.

Anyway, you still need to choose:
Is Russia liable for the USSR policies that allowed the concentration of wealth and resources inside the modern borders of Rusia, or is the USA blameless for everything pre-2020? I'm good rolling with whichever you pick.

Because your retarded comparison makes no sense whatsoever. You compare changing a president to disbanding an existing Union with over a dozen republics and changing an entire form of government. You want amnesty from the crimes your government commited over decades, the same goverment that is still in power today with the same agencies and the same congress. In your moronic eyes, switching the President is enough to absolve a system from its crime. In your retarded logic, Germany would have been cleared of its crimes since Karl Dönitz succeeded Hitler as head of state.

Nigger, you don't get to say 'US fucked up the middle east' and then try to brush the #1 most glaring example of the Russians fucking around in the middle east with "B-b-but das juden!".

Nasser didnt' give two shits about what was good for Egypt, he cared about what was good for Nasser. He is well documented for sacking, imprisoning, and executing anyone who was competent enough to pose a threat. This how Egypt got their shit hilariously routed by a smaller force equiped with WWII surplus.
Deploying the Egyptian military to fucking YEMEN of all places did not benefit Egypt, just Nasser's ego.

Yes i can because nothing the soviet union did caused as much destruction of the middle east as the US did. Not even remotely.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of Das Juden, there was an attempt by Egypt during the 6 Days War to use their Russian Strategic bombers to flatten Israeli cities, but Russian military commander told Nasser in no uncertain terms "no". So which side of the cold war was really cucked by the Jews, hrm?

The side that to this day still funds them with billions

You said Muslim and its the same thing. Stop trying to splice words just because you and retarded attempts at argument are getting BTFO worse than when Vlad's cronnies ran a train on you.

Apples and Oranges. Stay on the topic and you might stop confusing yourself, you eratic cunt.

There wasn't refugee crisis because there was no capacity for there to BE a refugee crisis. There wasn't the civilian air capability there is today in 70/80s afghanistan. Their option of fleeing the country was "USSR aka the faggots genociding them" "China aka the faggots who genocided them a few hundred years ago" and "Pakistan" - which a lot of Afghanis DID choose. But no one cared because it was Pakistan.

They chose Iran and Pakistan because it was closest to them, many muzzles did that too when the US invaded until the US started drone striking brown people in Pakistan, a country they were not at war with.

Europe didn't need to get overrun with browns this time around. They willing let it happen. The fact the Eurocucks are faggots is not the fault of the US.
Also Russia not choosing a better puppet for Syria than Assad is where all the Syrians came from. That's all Russian Federation and Eurocuck governments cuckin' and jivin' to diversity.

Calling europeans eurocucks is hilarious considering the EU recorded 200k illegal border crossings in 2021 while the US had almost two million illegal border crossings in 2021 alone. If it weren't for the US meddling in countries they have no business being in, the refugee crisis would have never existed in the first place.

 

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Those 41 million people aren't our problem and more importantly nuclear war isn't worth Ukraine. Which I'll say until I'm blue in the face because for some reason a shitload of people now have this retarded notion that nuclear arms would never be used under any circumstances. And really you're conveniently ignoring the fact that said corruption is the entire reason this mess kicked off in the first place, we had no business nor need to continue pushing NATO eastward.

And real talk this is almost line-for-line the same justification for the american military's soujourns in Shifting Sand Land. I guess Bush was right. America needs to be the world police, and bring Freedom And Democracy ™ to every shithole on earth.

NATO exists because of the blood soaked Russian empire / Golden Horde wanted to enslave more people. Helping Ukraine has ended Euroland's unnatural dependence on that empire's resources and largely shattered its regional sway with the Azeris and Kazakhs now openly hostile (mocking Putin to his face in St Petes over the joke FSB statelets is hostility). Poland, the Baltic states and Finland have taken the in turning the Golden Horde's slave soldiers into fertiliser while Finland actually shelters all those Russian men who didn't want that sorry fate. Nothing could be more necessary, a few days of the trillion dollar Defence budget.

1. Russia could have literally just switched it off from their end.

2. Europe winter is on the way, with an already existing energy crisis. Russia was in a prime position to make that go away with Nordstream and make obscene amounts of money from it.

3. Sweden and USA were running joint military naval excerises in that exact area, just coincidence though huh?

4. The only country with the means to destroy the pipeline and actually profit from it is the USA.

Still think Russia did it?.... Go back to CNN you conspiracy retard.

So, the US commits a terrorist attack against its German ally during peace time, destroying vital infrastructure, and quite possible fucks Europe for the next fifty years.

Russia is going to beat Ukraine in any scenario put forward. With backing from China, India, Iran and Brazil it doesn't matter what other countries provide "support".
Also, with the current commander of the US military busy with diversity and combatting "white rage" good luck with your reserves. Along with nearly every western leader being a complete pussy, or in Biden's case a total fucking potato, what push back is there?

So far a bunch of whiny bitches screaming "sanctions" None of which have worked.
Nukes? Good luck Russia/China response will decimate the US.

Sad! Russia on seen a biblical exodus of its young men, it's future. It is being pushed in the most crucial sectors at an extraordinary rate. It's only worthwhile fighting men with a martial culture of sorts in the Russian east, rioted so fiercely, all they've left to mobilise are utter rejects, the old, ill and the stupid. The uniforms were sold off years ago. All you and the rest of the fellators have left is to weep tears over your shirtless putin memes.

 

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Conventional wisdom is that winter will be both sides in a holding pattern, but you can fight a winter war. It sucks even more than a regular war, but you can do it, we've seen it done in the past. And Ukraine is probably in a better position than Russia to do it.

 

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Sad! Russia on seen a biblical exodus of its young men, it's future. It is being pushed in the most crucial sectors at an extraordinary rate. It's only worthwhile fighting men with a martial culture of sorts in the Russian east, rioted so fiercely, all they've left to mobilise are utter rejects, the old, ill and the stupid. The uniforms were sold off years ago. All you and the rest of the fellators have left is to weep tears over your shirtless putin memes.

Keep sucking down that CNN koolaid, faggot.
You may find time between wiping Zelenskyy's cum off your chin and Biden being balls deep in your ass.