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And until then, we will have to settle on Russia getting rekt instead.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)
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And until then, we will have to settle on Russia getting rekt instead.
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@Mr E. Grifter
Will answer only the unique parts since things like troop numbers and morale in general we've already exhausted before the autistic online slap fight range where we repeat ourselves at each other until one side quits out of boredom.
The Taliban and Afghanistan examples are entirely off-base. Not only because this isn't any form of guerilla war or because of the numbers involved, but because the core point about being able to fade into a civilian population that hates you is flatly wrong. There's no hostile guerilla force going on behind Russian lines that isn't effectively meaningless. No resistance to 'occupation'. The Russian front at Kharkov didn't collapse because of an ungovernable populace that refused to cooperate but because there was next to no one there. In Novorossiya the population is at best apathetic like all the people they quizzed in Izyum, at worst actively in support of them. This is known to the Ukrainians themselves which is why there's dozens of telegrams dedicated to finding traitors to be dealt with and reprisal attacks against 'collaborators' the second they come in. This isn't the US in desert shithole #46 where you and the population have nothing in common and you can only hold them by force, you have a similar population to work with. This is closer to a civil war than anything else. This means that if there's a stable frontline, if it bends it'll be because of outside pressure, not internal collapse. If you've an apathetic populace what matters is if you can hold the line, which even you admit can be achieved with a reservist or conscript force.
The use of a quickly trained force to plug gaps and hold territory is how the Ukraine managed to stabilize past July. Taking everything said about the Russian supply situation as wrote, the arguing over which'd again just get us into pseud numbers games based on my or your cherrypicked articles, we're again put in the same situation. Russia doesn't need to produce overwhelming amounts nor to achieve peak logistical abilities. What they need to do is overperform a state that has essentially no production to speak of and allies that also have significantly less production than Russia by orders of magnitude and unlike Russia don't have an existential incentive to pour these resources in. The one exception is the US which has an overwhelming advantage, but slow production and has given no indication of a coming ramp-up in manufacturing, not even in word. Russia doesn't have to supply people from across the world, it needs to supply directly across its borders in a state to be soon of military footing in such a situation where unlike with Ukraine, none of its manufacturing or inland logistical sites are at risk of any kind of plausible attack.
Your arguments hinge by and large on there being a meaningful, decisive difference between Ukrainians and Russians in morale, ability and equipment that'd go past the observable economic and demographic factors. The reality is though that Ukrainians are temporarily embarrassed Russians already in a state of a total war with a finite supply of Western equipment and who's ability to wage a long conflict of attrition rests entirely on continued handouts given their 35+% rate of economic downturn over the course of just the first year. Failing total collapse on the homefront leading to a humiliating peace deal or Western military support in the coming years equal to or exceeding what they've sent this year which is physically unlikely, the numbers point only towards eventual Russian victory, the question being how crippled they'll be by the end. Will drop it here to avoid bible-length internet slap fights, but in the short term, we're of the same mind that Russia will continue suffering losses and pushback, and in the mid to long-term the position of either will be born out by the facts.
Will answer only the unique parts since things like troop numbers and morale in general we've already exhausted before the autistic online slap fight range where we repeat ourselves at each other until one side quits out of boredom.
The Taliban and Afghanistan examples are entirely off-base. Not only because this isn't any form of guerilla war or because of the numbers involved, but because the core point about being able to fade into a civilian population that hates you is flatly wrong. There's no hostile guerilla force going on behind Russian lines that isn't effectively meaningless. No resistance to 'occupation'. The Russian front at Kharkov didn't collapse because of an ungovernable populace that refused to cooperate but because there was next to no one there. In Novorossiya the population is at best apathetic like all the people they quizzed in Izyum, at worst actively in support of them. This is known to the Ukrainians themselves which is why there's dozens of telegrams dedicated to finding traitors to be dealt with and reprisal attacks against 'collaborators' the second they come in. This isn't the US in desert shithole #46 where you and the population have nothing in common and you can only hold them by force, you have a similar population to work with. This is closer to a civil war than anything else. This means that if there's a stable frontline, if it bends it'll be because of outside pressure, not internal collapse. If you've an apathetic populace what matters is if you can hold the line, which even you admit can be achieved with a reservist or conscript force.
The use of a quickly trained force to plug gaps and hold territory is how the Ukraine managed to stabilize past July. Taking everything said about the Russian supply situation as wrote, the arguing over which'd again just get us into pseud numbers games based on my or your cherrypicked articles, we're again put in the same situation. Russia doesn't need to produce overwhelming amounts nor to achieve peak logistical abilities. What they need to do is overperform a state that has essentially no production to speak of and allies that also have significantly less production than Russia by orders of magnitude and unlike Russia don't have an existential incentive to pour these resources in. The one exception is the US which has an overwhelming advantage, but slow production and has given no indication of a coming ramp-up in manufacturing, not even in word. Russia doesn't have to supply people from across the world, it needs to supply directly across its borders in a state to be soon of military footing in such a situation where unlike with Ukraine, none of its manufacturing or inland logistical sites are at risk of any kind of plausible attack.
Your arguments hinge by and large on there being a meaningful, decisive difference between Ukrainians and Russians in morale, ability and equipment that'd go past the observable economic and demographic factors. The reality is though that Ukrainians are temporarily embarrassed Russians already in a state of a total war with a finite supply of Western equipment and who's ability to wage a long conflict of attrition rests entirely on continued handouts given their 35+% rate of economic downturn over the course of just the first year. Failing total collapse on the homefront leading to a humiliating peace deal or Western military support in the coming years equal to or exceeding what they've sent this year which is physically unlikely, the numbers point only towards eventual Russian victory, the question being how crippled they'll be by the end. Will drop it here to avoid bible-length internet slap fights, but in the short term, we're of the same mind that Russia will continue suffering losses and pushback, and in the mid to long-term the position of either will be born out by the facts.
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What are they smoking, basically just two big arrows lmao
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Well yeah, if they do a frontal assault and russians amass in that area
But if Ukraine gets closer, they'll be able to hit their supplies going into Kherson even more effectively, the only logical solution would be to withdraw to the other side of the Dniepr
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Russia redeemed tanks despite being told not to
some russians got DRONED.UA
some russians got DRONED.UA
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rob the machine of the bobs and vagine
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And how are NATO bros doing on the economic front of this war?
Firewood shortages are forcing the once-proud nation of Poland to burn garbage to stay alive:
www.zerohedge.com
The Germans aren't doing much better, they also have no more firewood left so they are resorting to heating their homes by burning their cuck muzzles and the occasional fat American soldier who wanders too close to the incinerator.
www.welt.de
And where is Joe Biden? After he completed his begging tour of Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, he inexplicably dealt yet another blow to US economy by blocking all off-shore drilling. Starting to suspect he may be on Putin's payroll, you guys.
www.zerohedge.com
Bad times ahead, NATO bros.
Firewood shortages are forcing the once-proud nation of Poland to burn garbage to stay alive:
Polish Households Burn Trash To Stay Warm As Sanctions On Russia Backfire | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
The Germans aren't doing much better, they also have no more firewood left so they are resorting to heating their homes by burning their cuck muzzles and the occasional fat American soldier who wanders too close to the incinerator.
Verfallsdatum abgelaufen: Bund will knapp 800 Millionen Masken verbrennen - WELT
Not macht erfinderisch: Der Bund muss offenbar Hunderte Millionen Masken aus Pandemiezeiten entsorgen. Dabei handelt es sich um Fehl- und Zuvielkäufe vom früheren Gesundheitsminister Jens Spahn. Wenigstens einen Nutzen soll die Verschwendung nun haben.
And where is Joe Biden? After he completed his begging tour of Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, he inexplicably dealt yet another blow to US economy by blocking all off-shore drilling. Starting to suspect he may be on Putin's payroll, you guys.
As Biden Welcomes Venezuela Oil, He Prepares To Block All US Offshore Drilling | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
Bad times ahead, NATO bros.
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Reality supports there being a meaningful difference between Ukrainians and Russians in morale, ability, and equipment.
edit: in b4 "Russians have better morale, ability, and equipment."
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No.
Having ideals is good. Diversity can be and usually is problematic. Being strong and fit are good ideals. Projecting weakness and vulnerability is not.
The USA is in the wrong here, suicidally so.
Promoting strength does not need to be chauvinistic.
You can promote the image of a Ukrainian soldier that was taken from his family to defend the nation. Strong, but using his ability to protect, instead of for conquest.
The US needs to get it together and stop putting fossils in power. Get a JFK back in and become a nation that can be admired yet again.
Stop fetishizing weakness and the mentally ill. Thanks.
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Ironically Biden's cucking Russia just as much as JFK did when they had to back down in Cuba.
Guess that's what happens when you're led by a corrupt KGB bolshie who never put in an honest day's work in his entire life, though. Putin got played by JOE BIDEN. Incidentally he's another corrupt politician who never put in an honest day's work in his entire life, although maybe the "takes one to know one" approach was useful this time.
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Europe has been burning trash as a source of energy for decades.
From 2018:
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Well that's just downright unamerican! What's next, stop watching BBC porn?
> can't tell the difference between an industrial trash burning operation and poverty-stricken polish subhumans using household garbage instead of firewood to warm their miserable hovels
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Looks like more obvious Ukrainian propaganda got debunked, this time by their German "partners" at BILD.
Turns out none of these are gold, they're just regular Ukrainian yellow teeth, and the whole box was stolen from a local dentist.
www.bild.de
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Turns out none of these are gold, they're just regular Ukrainian yellow teeth, and the whole box was stolen from a local dentist.
Did these gold teeth really come from victims of torture?
The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense expressed a gruesome suspicion on Twitter, posting a photo of a box of dental crowns. But BILD met the village dentist – he says no.
www.bild.de
Did these gold teeth really come from victims of torture? | Politik |…
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The poverty stricken in Europe have been burning trash for decades as well, including Russians.
Russian incinerators are so poorly run that one in every 35 people in a Russian town have cancer, and that is an "industrial" operation.
An Incinerator In Tatarstan Is The Latest Battleground In Russia's Garbage Wars
Plans to build a trash incinerator plant in a town in the southern Russian republic of Tatarstan have sparked protests over fears the plant will dirty the air and cause more cases of cancer.
www.rferl.org
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Yes, because they have no gas, oil, or firewood. That's what resource-poor nations do. Other nations who have resources can afford to recycle their trash instead of burning it.
Just a reminder, Russia is backed by OPEC+, NATO is backed by LGBT+. Pretty obvious choice, if you ask me.
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Russia is currently struggling with a landfill problems due to lack of recycling and their industrial-scale incinerators are giving residents in nearby towns cancer.
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Maybe if Europeans ask nicely, Russia will allow them to purchase some garbage to burn.
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Funny, last I heard Biden was lacking between the ears and you had to go through his handlers since no admission will be made about mental capacity because reasons. Did Biden find something to retaliate against any alleged dirty laundry that Russian forces find in their conquests, much less anything in Kiev?
Seriously, all this is happening because Putin came across the equivalent of a snarling dog on a leash, aching to be taken off it, with the Walker struggling to keep control , while Putin’s dog was never on a leash to begin with and is just watching, waiting to sic it at the first chance he can get to not look like the bad guy in the situation.
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Despite owning a vast swath of fossil fuel reserves, the Russian government plans to increase incinerator output to cover its own energy shortfalls:
Russia requires hundreds of incinerators to produce clean energy — president's envoy
Five plants are already under construction, while 25 more are going to be built, Special Presidential Representative for Environmental Protection, Ecology and Transport Sergei Ivanov added
tass.com
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