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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Wow, you're actually delusional.....

There still is a North Korea, you lost.

Vietnam, let's see the footage of the evacuation again.....after killing so many, still running with tail between your legs... You lost.

Afghanistan, let's see the footage of that evacuation too. Wait....how much hardware did the US leave behind again? But you just left right.....after losing.

Libya was a complete failure of intervention.

US can't do shit to Russia, they couldn't during the cold war and can't now. Keep sperging about it though, I'm sure your denial will keep you safe.
Someone doesn't know their history.

The Korean war was a war started by the first Kim Patriarch out of fear of the south eclipsing and threatening his socialist state. His goal was to destroy south korea and reunite the peninsula under communist socialism. He did not succeed at this goal. In fact he failed so spectacularly that it was only through soviet and Chinese aid that the war was fought to a stalemate and a ceasefire was signed. The Korean War wasn't an American imperialist project like you seem to think it was.
 
Wow, you're actually delusional.....

There still is a North Korea, you lost.
Nope. It's what's called a stalemate. Neither side won. If the Commies won, there would be no South Korea, if the Yanks won fully, there'd be no North Korea. The only reason the Yanks didn't run the Red Chinese over was because Truman fired MacArthur and was satisfied with a draw.

If he let MacArthur do what he wanted, Red China would be naught but a radioactive wasteland.

Vietnam, let's see the footage of the evacuation again.....after killing so many, still running with tail between your legs... You lost.
Nope. The Americans won most of their battles in Vietnam. It was only due to political pressure back home did the Yanks go home. That, and the Vietnamese went capitalist anyways, so I suppose all the American soldiers who died fighting there are now spinning in their graves as the Vietnamese slave away making toys for American children.

Afghanistan, let's see the footage of that evacuation too. Wait....how much hardware did the US leave behind again? But you just left right.....after losing.
Losing? Did the US lose a battle to Afghanistan Taliban forces? Not one that I remember. Again, political pressure back home is what caused the American retreat, not actual combat losses.

Libya was a complete failure of intervention.
Again, the Americans killed more than they lost, which is far better than what Russia is doing now.

For these three examples, you seem to confuse political pressure with armies losing battles. The Americans won their battles, it's just that the politicians back home were convinced by hippies that holding Vietnam or Afghanistan was a waste of time and money, while Truman stopped MacArthur from invading China as it would start a nuclear war.

Russia, meanwhile, CAN'T EVEN WIN THE BATTLE FOR UKRAINE. They haven't even gotten to the part where you occupy a country and install a new government while remnants of the old government use hit-and-run tactics against you. The Russians are failing at STEP ONE of the invasion plan. They can't even get to step two or three. With the Americans, they excel at invading other countries; their problems come from holding those countries because that is expensive. So again, this is far different. But then, what can I expect from vatniks who have kindergarten-level knowledge of these events?

And as for your Libya example, Russia suffered the same in Ukraine, except much more, since they lost HUNDREDS of planes to a z-list, ex-soviet Republic.

US can't do shit to Russia, they couldn't during the cold war and can't now. Keep sperging about it though, I'm sure your denial will keep you safe.
US would rip Russia's head off in a fortnight if it was just conventional warfare. Hell, let's go back to WW2 ethics, and see how Moscow or Saint Petersburg will fare against sustained bombardment like what happened to Tokyo in WW2.
 
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Someone doesn't know their history.

The Korean war was a war started by the first Kim Patriarch out of fear of the south eclipsing and threatening his socialist state. His goal was to destroy south korea and reunite the peninsula under communist socialism. He did not succeed at this goal. In fact he failed so spectacularly that it was only through soviet and Chinese aid that the war was fought to a stalemate and a ceasefire was signed. The Korean War wasn't an American imperialist project like you seem to think it was.
But the North only invaded because the evil Westerners were stirring up the weak and homosexual Worst Koreans to invade Best Korea! They had to do it, it's all the West's fault!
 
The ones that supplied us (Austria) goes through Ukraine and Ukraine throttled the gas supply from Russia to Europe in the past to get what they want.
Probably it is possible to transfer gas by MIDAL pipeline from Jamal-Europe pipeline or gas terminal from Germany. Ask Putin why he isn't sending gas by Jamal.

If you want prices back to normal, the current Russian regime must be destroyed so a new one can make peace, retreat and reboot the economic relations
Prices will not be back to normal.
Except that BRICS countries are happy to trade in Ruble or gold bypassing the dollar others can follow suit.
That gold which is worth less and less due to panic selling by russians? OK.
US can't do shit to Russia,
Yes, fall of Lyman was planned by russia and the 700k ruskies that evacuate from russia after mobilization was just a tactical regroup.
 
One thing which is becoming clear is that whatever about Thales tank night vision or aiming systems, boots,, socks, briefs, vests, buttons, no 4 uniform seem to be beyond the capacities of alleged superpower Russia. This was partly an issue in uncle Joe's days but with a touch of Lend-Lease and ripping of Westetn patents and / or designs they overcame those issues, and that was not remotely a concern for Brezchnev. Putin's neo Soviet with a sprinkle of Tsarism empire seems now to have failed tier capabilities. It makes the squeaky lying fag Dave Smith seem even more silly.


I thought I was posted it, but this vid of Operator Starsky, UA National Guardsman, belongs to this post, where he reacts to 'comedian' Dave Smith on the Joe Rogan podcast. The deranged poison birds and NATO overthrowing the Yanukovich government as directed by Soros and the reptilians is still nonsense spouted by the congenitally stupid.
 
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Vietnam, let's see the footage of the evacuation again.....after killing so many, still running with tail between your legs... You lost.

Vietnam was a war that never should have been fought. The US should have told the cheese-eating surrender monkeys in Frogance to suck it, backed Ho Chi Minh as the legitimate elected authority, and he'd have never sidled up with the Soviets.

That said, the Vietnam was going poorly for the North Vietanmese. The NVA never won a major engagement while the US was boots on the group, even Tet was only temporary and expended a lot of Viet Cong when they were used like normal infantry.

The problem was Vietnam was a lost PR war. After Tet, the TV images of cities under attack got back home before the reality of the extremely high north vietnamese casualties (and more importantly, that the ARVN had acquitted itself well in the battle). So when the commander asked for more troops - in his mind, to finish off the North Vietnamese forces - it looked like a panic request for reinforcements to stem a defeat. Americans also refused to interfere with Russian shipping, misunderstanding the rift in Soviet/Sino relations after the death of Stalin.

The real question isn't if Vietnam COULD have been won, the question is SHOULD it have been won. And the answer is a pretty solid "No" because within 10 years, fear and hatred of China (and abandonment by the Soviets who hung them out to dry) made Vietnam communist only in name.
The only difference in outcome if the US had stuck it out would have been another 50,000-100,000 dead Americans, and saving the Slopes from themselves isn't worth it.
 
The problem was Vietnam was a lost PR war.
In Vietnam the main issue was that the US Army didn't have a concpet how to use their power and what is the aim of war. Also stupidness of Jean Baptiste Ngô Đình Diệm and his clique was a huge problem.

Main aim of the USA - not to spread communism into Philippines and Siam - was both stupid and to be reached in other ways that going into another Indochina war after French defecation from that place.

It is in some ways funny how from ONE war that has poor effects the narrative about Americans losing wars is spreading.

In Korea they have full success (aim of SK and USA: survive of SK. Aim of NK and Soviets: to destroy SK. I see SK). In Iraq and Afghanistan also (main aim: to throw Middle East into war so they will not go to USA and bomb something).

And let we see how mighty russia is going in Ukraine: after nine fucking months they took only a unusable corridor from Donbas to Crimea for a huge price of crippling their own military into shit. Think about war in Iraq going so badly that USA tooked only few pieces of desert and maybye Basra, but with half of TF sunked.
Austria is not part of the NATO and i think the NATO and EU should be disbanded anyway.
In the case of disbanding EU and NATO (and neutralizing all USA power in Europe) what will stop Germany from making Anschluss II: Electric Boogaloo? You know that the only reason for Austria to exist after 1918 was that western powers didn't like Vienna under Germany rule, right?
 
This Ukraine debacle is entirely on Russia. There were agreed upon borders, Russia was the one to violate them, they're not even pretending that it's about anything else other than redrawing borders to restore former empire for some archaic and egotistical reasons - that mask slipped long ago.
the reason isnt archaic or egotistical.

russia is fucking big and flat, and from western europe to mongols on the steps its always been invaded. having a border thats 2000 miles wide.

If they can push out to places where there are natural barriers they can shrink that 2000 mile wide border down to 300 miles.

Putin was playing pokemon trying to get security back ether by annexation or writing the security policy of those places.
 
You're stupid for ever thinking that it could've been any other way. Russia had every opportunity to become a civilized country on par with anything on the West, but their mongoloid mentality keeps pulling them down, and KGB Rat King made sure to exploit it to fulfill his retarded ambitions.
Whatever anyone else says, China is merely "allied" with Russia as long as they have something to gain from it, they aren't going to sacrifice anything for Russia's sake. It barely amounts for 2% of their export, with most of it going to the West, China isn't going to say no to all that money, it would be suicidal. As for gas/oil, Putin would be willing to provide it with a heavy discount to anyone who pretends to be his friend, because he's a pathetic insecure manlet. China doesn't have to commit to anything to benefit from this "friendship". Russia in its current state is a liability.

This Ukraine debacle is entirely on Russia. There were agreed upon borders, Russia was the one to violate them, they're not even pretending that it's about anything else other than redrawing borders to restore former empire for some archaic and egotistical reasons - that mask slipped long ago.
All that muh NATO bullshit you can shove up your stupid ass. If NATO ever planned an invasion, then how come so many of their members didn't even bother to stockpile equipment and ammunition for the hypothetical invasion, with German army becoming a mockery of its former self? Why were they doing everything they can to avoid confrontation with Russia, letting them get away with annexation of Crimea with merely a slap on the wrist? Why isn't US invading Russia despite the latter giving them a good reason for it after terrorizing Ukraine for months, despite the rising hatred toward Russia? At what point invasion of the country hysterically screaming "muh nukes!" becomes a good idea?
If not for that, Kremlin would've already been leveled as an eyesore that it is, with Abrams rolling through the Red Square. Because when it comes to conventional warfare, US has no equal.
But no one is stupid enough to risk nuclear war, and that's why Russia was safe from any such invasion. NATO is meant to keep peace in the region, to tard-wrangle any potential Hitler 2.0 and keeping the world from descending into chaos yet again, where membership is voluntary.
Ukraine is a sovereign country, something Russia acknowledged with a prior agreement. By definition, it's none of their business what Ukraine does with Ukraine. As long as it's not something like genocide, of course, because then NATO would intervene themselves and rightly so. Coincidentally, it never happened, despite Russian claims to the contrary.
Seeding 5th column to then come and "liberate" them is an old trick from the Soviet playbook, this is nothing new.

Saying that Russia is justified in invading Ukraine just shows how little thought you put into it, if any, likely just gobbling up Russian kool-aid like a good little contrarian.
You've made a lot of assumptions here, a lot of retarded fucking assumptions.
Fist off, I have never said Russia was justified in invading Ukraine. I said that we've been poking the bear for years. And we have been, no matter how much shit you spew about NATO having done everything they can to 'avoid a war with Russia'. Did you forget Syria? The west destroyed an entire country over a fucking pipeline into Europe, we did that. And for what? Russia hasn't been a threat in decades. Its a regional power, a pathetic shadow of its former self. And the US just keeps goading it.

Second, you think I'm a Russian shill. I'm not. To say it again, I don't want Russia to win. I don't want the Ukraine to win. I want it all fucking blown to kingdom come so we never have to deal with retard slavs and their retard conflicts ever again. I want the billions being spent propping up a CIA dick sucking actor to go to into fixing the myriad internal problems our countries have instead. I want Europe to have gas this winter and the world to have fertilizer and I want to stop having the US play world police and leave these regional issues for the fucking regions to deal with. But that ship sailed decades ago, it sailed when , as you said, Germany disarmed itself and left Europe to rely entirely on US hegemony to protect itself so I might as well be screaming my wishes to the wind.

But the worst part of this, the absolute worst part, is you fools demanding even more blood.

You know what you, and every other fuckstick that's banging the war drum remind me of? Iraq, but somehow even less justified. Everyone that said we shouldn't be doing invading Iraq was called a terrorist lover, accused of wanting Al Queda to win and the USA to be destroyed. Billions wasted, years wasted, god knows how many lives wasted, all over a shithole we shouldn't have been in and a lie that we all just gobbled up. We spent 20 years trapped in the middle east, why do you crackpot armchair generals want to see the west march into another crapsack country, burn it to the ground and probably end up staying there for another 20 fucking years playing at nation builder? If you're so bloodthirsty go over and volunteer to defend your beloved Ukraine yourselves like those reddit idiots did.
And what trip is that, pray tell? Have we actually done something wrong to China? No, we helped China for a long while. You clearly haven't been paying attention. We helped their economy by making them our production base for consumer goods, we even helped them against the Soviets in the past, we even continue to trade tech with them despite them being our political enemies in the Pacific, we've given China plenty of reasons to side with us over Putin.

But I can't really blame Xi for choosing Putin. After all, with how dependent Russia is becoming on China for trade, they'll soon be China's bitch. Especially since Russia makes as much money as New York State, maybe even less. No matter how friendly America becomes, at most, it can be just an ally for China, as it was when Mao and Stalin's heirs were having a little spat. Russia is on the fast track to becoming China's servant, and a bitch is always preferrable to a friend to those drunk Communists in Beijing. You can ask the latter for favors, but you can give orders to the former, and they can't question it.
I have been paying attention and helping China was always a mistake. I understand why it was made, and hell it might have seemed a real good idea at the time, but now? They've been stealing patents and research for my entire life, they're going full colonization, and they're committing genocide.. They're the threat, they've been the threat for years now.
Not Russia, the failed state.
 
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In the case of disbanding EU and NATO (and neutralizing all USA power in Europe) what will stop Germany from making Anschluss II: Electric Boogaloo? You know that the only reason for Austria to exist after 1918 was that western powers didn't like Vienna under Germany rule, right?
Germany will stop germany from doing that. Germany became a cuckold nation. It is more likely that 1/3rd of germanys population, which is turkish, will rise up and create a new ottoman empire than germany ever having the balls again to try and start a new reich.
That's a lot even giving the recent price hikes. Do you have any big consumer, like a heat pump or an electric vehicle? What is your kWh price, if I may ask?
I tell you when i get the yearly bill, our "Teilbetrag" that we have to pay every quarter was increased from 138€ to 380€. At the end of the year we get a bill, if we used more than we already paid, we have to pay an additional fee, if we used less energy, we get some money back. In the news you hear horror stories about families getting bills with thousands of € from energy companies.
>Blocking nuclear energy

I cannot blame an American for not knowing but as European you should be very well aware that the French nuclear reactors are one of the reasons for the current energy crisis, right?
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Im talking about austria, we had a nuclear power plant built in the late 70s, Kernkraftwerk Zwentendorf, then they shut it down due to fear mongering and protests from the green party and other enviromental cucks, the same cucks here in austria that now glue themselves on to roads with chinese industrial glue to protest muh climate change. Now that nuclear power plant is an event venue.
 
I've said similar words before, but anyone comparing this war to Afghanistan is a fucking idiot. You wanna see how its gonna go down after the US pumps in 2 trillion over 20 years and directly militarily intervenes? USA has given 25bil so far... And unlike Afghanistan they have serious geopolitical interests here
Yeah, 2 trillion and 2 decades over a country that, as you said, the US had no real geopolitical interests involved.
Imagine how much blood, time and treasure is gonna be spent on burning Russia to the ground and building it back up? Because the white house hasn't learned its fucking lesson after the middle east. Do I have to bring up the infamous billions sent to gender studies programs in Pakistan? Its a waste of resources trying to westernize the rest of the world but they'll spend it anyway.

Unless of course that gender program wasn't a huge scam designed to funnel taxpayer money into certain pockets. But that would be just as bad really.
 
m talking about austria, we had a nuclear power plant built in the late 70s, Kernkraftwerk Zwentendorf, then they shut it down due to fear mongering and protests from the green party and other enviromental cucks
In 1978 it was probably more about wasting money that ecology.

Germany will stop germany from doing that. Germany became a cuckold nation. It is more likely that 1/3rd of germanys population, which is turkish, will rise up and create a new ottoman empire than germany ever having the balls again to try and start a new reich.
Do want te tell us that their are more than 25 milion Turks in Germany? And because russia told you that German are weak their are weak indeed?

Strange hill to die.

Imagine how much blood, time and treasure is gonna be spent on burning Russia to the ground and building it back up?
War with russia will be with the aim to take control over their resources like gas, metalls and so one. And probably without the rebuild phase.
 
Germany will stop germany from doing that. Germany became a cuckold nation. It is more likely that 1/3rd of germanys population, which is turkish, will rise up and create a new ottoman empire than germany ever having the balls again to try and start a new reich.
Yeah.
The jews tried some shit like that too. Didn't end well. Maybe the halfwit cockroach will have better luck.
 
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