Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Bork Laser]

I think arguing if missling the cities are morally right is an effort in futility at this point. Either you agree or disagree. To me at this point, I want to know what effect this will have on the fronts. Listen, it probably feels really good to blow shit up in the enemy's cities and they can't do shit back to you. But unless it has some sort of effect on the front, all you really did is blow up a bunch of buildings. I feel those missile attacks could have been used better to help your troops. Granted there are important systems like internet, heat, water, etc that are down. But that stuff can be fixed before the real start of winter kicks in. And Russia does not have missiles to do this constantly.

If anything this reminds me of The Blitz. Alot of destruction and death, for little to no gain. What I am more interested in is if Belarus opens up a front in the North. Something like that could change the shape of the war.

 

[The best and greatest]

I think arguing if missling the cities are morally right is an effort in futility at this point. Either you agree or disagree. To me at this point, I want to know what effect this will have on the fronts. Listen, it probably feels really good to blow shit up in the enemy's cities and they can't do shit back to you. But unless it has some sort of effect on the front, all you really did is blow up a bunch of buildings. I feel those missile attacks could have been used better to help your troops. Granted there are important systems like internet, heat, water, etc that are down. But that stuff can be fixed before the real start of winter kicks in. And Russia does not have missiles to do this constantly.

If anything this reminds me of The Blitz. Alot of destruction and death, for little to no gain. What I am more interested in is if Belarus opens up a front in the North. Something like that could change the shape of the war.

Its like watching people mock US foreign failures while simultaneously failing to learn a thing from them. Lack of self-awareness can drive a man crazy y'know

 

[AgendaPoster]

I think arguing if missling the cities are morally right is an effort in futility at this point. Either you agree or disagree. To me at this point, I want to know what effect this will have on the fronts. Listen, it probably feels really good to blow shit up in the enemy's cities and they can't do shit back to you. But unless it has some sort of effect on the front, all you really did is blow up a bunch of buildings. I feel those missile attacks could have been used better to help your troops. Granted there are important systems like internet, heat, water, etc that are down. But that stuff can be fixed before the real start of winter kicks in. And Russia does not have missiles to do this constantly.

If anything this reminds me of The Blitz. Alot of destruction and death, for little to no gain. What I am more interested in is if Belarus opens up a front in the North. Something like that could change the shape of the war.

Ukraine likely has the means to strike Russian cities considering the range of the missiles we know they own and their advance towards the Russian border. And my feeling is that they already acquired even longer range missiles, they would be stupid not to. So they either don't want to, or they don't wanna waste precious ammo on playgrounds and kindergartens and come out of it as psychotic murderers that the West no longer feels like supporting.

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[Badungus Kabungus]

I think arguing if missling the cities are morally right is an effort in futility at this point. Either you agree or disagree. To me at this point, I want to know what effect this will have on the fronts. Listen, it probably feels really good to blow shit up in the enemy's cities and they can't do shit back to you. But unless it has some sort of effect on the front, all you really did is blow up a bunch of buildings. I feel those missile attacks could have been used better to help your troops. Granted there are important systems like internet, heat, water, etc that are down. But that stuff can be fixed before the real start of winter kicks in. And Russia does not have missiles to do this constantly.

If anything this reminds me of The Blitz. Alot of destruction and death, for little to no gain. What I am more interested in is if Belarus opens up a front in the North. Something like that could change the shape of the war.

It's not like they've been blasting random buildings, despite the cretin-tier propaganda from the Ukrs. Here CNN is saying that Russia took out 30% of Ukraine energy infrastructure in two days. Blacking out Ukrainian infrastructure means disrupting communications, transport, manufacturing, etc. It's not exactly ineffective, is it? Good timing on it too, no more Ukrainian electricity to export to the Europeans as the weather is getting colder.

Energy minister: About 30% of Ukraine's energy infrastructure has been hit by Russian missiles since Monday​

From CNN’s Alex Hardie

Around 30% of energy infrastructure in Ukraine has been hit by Russian missiles since Monday, Ukraine's Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko said Tuesday.
The minister told CNN that this was the “first time from the beginning of the war” that Russia has “dramatically targeted” energy infrastructure.
He said one reason is because Ukrainian electricity exports to Europe “helps European countries to save on Russian gas and coal,” adding that Ukraine is trying “to reconnect quickly from the other sources.”
On Monday, the Ukrainian government urged people across the country to “limit” their energy use. Asked whether Ukraine would receive extra energy from Europe, Halushchenko said that was “one of the options on the table.”
The minister said that the Ukrainian energy system “is still stable,” but called on partners to provide “air protection systems which really could help us to protect our infrastructure.”

Energy minister: About 30% of Ukraine's energy infrastructure has been hit by Russian missiles since Monday

US President Joe Biden said in an exclusive CNN interview he believed Russian President Vladimir Putin is a "rational actor" who badly miscalculated his ability to invade Ukraine

edition.cnn.com

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

It's not like they've been blasting random buildings, despite the cretin-tier propaganda from the Ukrs. Here CNN is saying that Russia took out 30% of Ukraine energy infrastructure in two days. Blacking out Ukrainian infrastructure means disrupting communications, transport, manufacturing, etc. It's not exactly ineffective, is it? Good timing on it too, no more Ukrainian electricity to export to the Europeans as the weather is getting colder.

Ukraine has been at about 70 to 80% capacity since way earlier in the war. The latest billion-dollar strike did not really change that number. The only people who are going to freeze to death in Ukraine are the Russian Forces. The west can afford to wheel in mobile generators and substations. Russia can't supply enough winter coats.

 

[Overly Serious]

I think arguing if missling the cities are morally right is an effort in futility at this point. Either you agree or disagree. To me at this point, I want to know what effect this will have on the fronts. Listen, it probably feels really good to blow shit up in the enemy's cities and they can't do shit back to you. But unless it has some sort of effect on the front, all you really did is blow up a bunch of buildings. I feel those missile attacks could have been used better to help your troops. Granted there are important systems like internet, heat, water, etc that are down. But that stuff can be fixed before the real start of winter kicks in. And Russia does not have missiles to do this constantly.

I don't think this is historically backed up. Yes, at an immediate level it doesn't help Russia in the war on the front. And I'm certainly not saying it is a moral action to target the infrastructure. But General Sherman's "March to the Sea" wasn't militarily the correct thing to do but it brought war home to the people backing it, the people who actually were making the decisions as to whether or not the war continues. And got the desired effect.

The USA is demonstrably willing to fight Russia to the last Ukranian. (A tired joke, but a true one). The leadership of the country are all either extremist anti-Russian, in the pocket of the USA, or both. They're not going to end the war no matter how many Ukranian lives are lost. And any dissenters are probably going to end up in prison or a ditch the moment they voice a desire for negotiation. In short, killing soldiers on the front wont end the war. In fact, one of its immediate effects is to reduce the numbers of the very Ukranians who could most put pressure on the Ukranian govt. to negotiate. In contrast, actual collapse of normal civillian life and destruction of power, food, etc. is more likely to make Ukranians back in the West decide maybe it's not worth all this to keep regions that hate them anyway.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

And any dissenters are probably going to end up in prison or a ditch the moment they voice a desire for negotiation.

Can you identify one instance, where a Ukrainian, not-collaborating with Russia, was arrested for voicing a belief that Ukraine should negotiate?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Can you identify one instance, where a Ukrainian, not-collaborating with Russia, was arrested for voicing a belief that Ukraine should negotiate?

Gonzalo Lira is alive and free, all that needs to be said

 

[Simp Biscuit]

Ukraine has been at about 70 to 80% capacity since way earlier in the war. The latest billion-dollar strike did not really change that number. The only people who are going to freeze to death in Ukraine are the Russian Forces. The west can afford to wheel in mobile generators and substations. Russia can't supply enough winter coats.

So, which is it? Are the American forces wearing Ukraine uniforms going to march to Moscow and defeat Russia or are the Russians going to freeze to death in Ukrainian territory which they supposedly don't occupy and will never occupy again?

Since you just asked someone for REDDIT SAUCE, what's your sources for that 70-80% capacity that you invented?

You are aware that Russia is a trading partner with China and India, correct? Where do you think the bulk of manufactured winter coats come from in 2022? Your hatred has blinded you to simple realities.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Ukraine likely has the means to strike Russian cities considering the range of the missiles we know they own and their advance towards the Russian border. And my feeling is that they already acquired even longer range missiles, they would be stupid not to. So they either don't want to, or they don't wanna waste precious ammo on playgrounds and kindergartens and come out of it as psychotic murderers that the West no longer feels like supporting.

Ukraine shouldn't have brought a public relations campaign to a gun fight.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

I don't think this is historically backed up. Yes, at an immediate level it doesn't help Russia in the war on the front. And I'm certainly not saying it is a moral action to target the infrastructure. But General Sherman's "March to the Sea" wasn't militarily the correct thing to do but it brought war home to the people backing it, the people who actually were making the decisions as to whether or not the war continues. And got the desired effect.

The USA is demonstrably willing to fight Russia to the last Ukranian. (A tired joke, but a true one). The leadership of the country are all either extremist anti-Russian, in the pocket of the USA, or both. They're not going to end the war no matter how many Ukranian lives are lost. And any dissenters are probably going to end up in prison or a ditch the moment they voice a desire for negotiation. In short, killing soldiers on the front wont end the war. In fact, one of its immediate effects is to reduce the numbers of the very Ukranians who could most put pressure on the Ukranian govt. to negotiate. In contrast, actual collapse of normal civillian life and destruction of power, food, etc. is more likely to make Ukranians back in the West decide maybe it's not worth all this to keep regions that hate them anyway.

Historical precedent would be the Blitz during WW2, which if anything hardened the resolve of the British public to keep fighting Nazi Germany rather than seek peace. Bombing people does not make them capitulate, there is no evidence of this. It just pisses people off and makes them want to kill you ten times more.

I'm sick of people in the West boiling this down to a Russia vs US thing. It's a retarded perspective. There is no public will in Ukraine to surrender or negotiate. If anything, Zelensky's government is probably more willing to negotiate than the common people are. Ukrainians are incensed and want nothing less than total victory.

You are pushing this fake narrative that Ukrainians don't support their own war effort, don't want their land and are being puppeteered by America to die for some empty cause. It's bullshit. If there was no will to fight in Ukraine, the US would not be backing them. We know this because they offered Zelensky a flight out.

He refused, he stayed with his people, and they seem pretty united in their national cause. They fight hard and well. So, the West supports them, because they have demonstrated the resolve and the means to win this. This argument that the West supporting Ukraine only gets more people killed is an insidious one.

It baffles me how people can so casually negate the Ukrainian people as a factor in this war when they are a hell of a lot more relevant than whatever some gay USA glowies want out of it.

 

[UVB-76]

You are aware that Russia is a trading partner with China and India, correct? Where do you think the bulk of manufactured winter coats come from in 2022? Your hatred has blinded you to simple realities.

Bright red and orange winter coats, dyed in IR reflecting dies, are not going to perform well.
Getting an order for 300k winter coats made to military standards is not that easy.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Ukraine has been at about 70 to 80% capacity since way earlier in the war. The latest billion-dollar strike did not really change that number. The only people who are going to freeze to death in Ukraine are the Russian Forces. The west can afford to wheel in mobile generators and substations. Russia can't supply enough winter coats.

Nigga the west isn't even going to be able to heat itself this winter lol

 

[AgendaPoster]

Ukraine shouldn't have brought a public relations campaign to a gun fight.

Impossible.
It only has 40M-ish people and is hardly as militaristic (contrary to Russian propaganda stories) as Russia. Ukraine needs Europe and the US, and the reality is that these lands are under neoliberal terror regimes, where NAFO-type of activism thrives. Ukraine has to sell a story or there won't be any gibs. Russia sells a story too, that of gay ukronazis and brave orthobro Russian soldiers getting killed by buttfucking banderite trannies.
Now, it would help if the West woke up some, nobody asks that it suddenly goes far right or w/e, just normal, like kick it down a notch or 7 with the deviancy encouraging and enjoying, and just strive to be normal for the length of the war, but many in the East are pretty pessimistic about such a change, at least not anytime soon.
We hoped the pandemic might make the West less gay appreciating because of imminent danger and closing of borders, then the Summer of Love came in 2020 and all hopes were dashed.
We hoped the war threat would have a similar effect, but it only made Western elites double down on inclusion and other BS that was not even a thing 10 years ago.
Now it will have to be postponed until we answer the Russian Question, may Allah forgive their souls for what they started

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Since you just asked someone for REDDIT SAUCE, what's your sources for that 70-80% capacity that you invented?

Since the ZPP was more than 20% of Ukraine's pre-war generation capacity.

Can you provide one example of an active-duty US serviceman in Ukrainian military regalia? It should be easy given the high casualty rates.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

So, which is it? Are the American forces wearing Ukraine uniforms going to march to Moscow and defeat Russia or are the Russians going to freeze to death in Ukrainian territory which they supposedly don't occupy and will never occupy again?

Since you just asked someone for REDDIT SAUCE, what's your sources for that 70-80% capacity that you invented?

You are aware that Russia is a trading partner with China and India, correct? Where do you think the bulk of manufactured winter coats come from in 2022? Your hatred has blinded you to simple realities.

May want to re-evaluate India's support.

India offers nuanced response to changing tides of the Ukraine war

The war dragging on and mounting pressure from the West appear to be behind India’s current stance.

frontline.thehindu.com

 

[Slobs]

The west can afford to wheel in mobile generators and substations.

They absolutely can't afford to be propping up Ukraine's energy and economy, but I agree that they'll fucking do it anyway.

 

[Simp Biscuit]

Bright red and orange winter coats, dyed in IR reflecting dies, are not going to perform well.
Getting an order for 300k winter coats made to military standards is not that easy.

Yes, you're only allowed to buy bright orange IR reflecting dyed coats if you're Russia, you also MUST buy 300K all at once, those are your only options according to the all powerful Kiwi Dungeon Master, you must roll a 20 to buy something else.

There is nothing stopping anyone from cleaning out the USA's DRMO stock of military clothing that is sold in pallets and shipping it to a nearby country.

What's stopping the Turks from selling Russia old military jackets right now? What's stopping them from just logging onto taobao and placing an order right now? or trading China fuel for jackets?

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The only people who are going to freeze to death this winter are elderly Euros who can't afford heat, along with some russians/ukraines wearing 3 jackets each who get bogged down in trenches.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

What's stopping the Turks from selling Russia old military jackets right now?

The fact that Turkey is a NATO member, has ambitions to join the EU, and Erdogan's son-in-law manufactures the drones sold to Ukraine.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Bright red and orange winter coats, dyed in IR reflecting dies, are not going to perform well.
Getting an order for 300k winter coats made to military standards is not that easy.

Are you really trying to argue that the Russians of all people won't be able to handle cold weather or have any plans for it?