Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Badungus Kabungus]

Hey russia, hows mobilization going?
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So a conscript had a few drinks, did not piss himself, did not kill anyone, and is walking back to base.

Now compare that to how American soldiers conduct themselves while drunk:

US soldier held in Italy for allegedly killing 15-year-old while driving drunk

Local prosecutors are trying to stop the soldier from being transferred back to the US

www.independent.co.uk

I cannot be drafted. I am far too precious and strategically important to fight like the plebe on the frontlines.
The cuckservatard republicans will submit to the will of your shitty elites, or they won't get the moolah. You'd have to elect some nerds funded by Russia to stop the gibs, like NJP-types, Caleb Maupin and hell knows what other misfit dysgenics.
Elect Eric Striker, and you'll get your wishes, lul

Failed your psych test, or too fat?

 

[Hell on Earth]

I'm amazed you don't know the difference between Germany's military capabilities in March 1938 and those in June 1940., six months after massively expanding their forces and production capabilities during the six months after the invasion of Poland (although it wasn't until 1943 that the Germans really went full mobilization due to Hitler's concerns about this playing a role in Germany's defeat in WWI).

Even at the beginning of the war the Germans were extremely depleted in the West in terms of forces and faced a much larger Allied force. The French did in fact launch an attack in the Saarland but they just stopped and withdrew. They proceeded to sit behind the Maginot Line for the next six months only to be completely outflanked and outmaneuvered by a much more powerful Germany. Had the Allied attack in September 1939 continued, it may have significantly shortened the war.

Prior to the Munich agreement, Czechoslovakia had one of the most modern and largest militaries in Europe and was heavily fortified all along its border but once they lost the fortifications and population in the Sudetenland they were no longer able to defend themselves effectively. Had these countries stood up to Hitler in the 1930s rather than appease him the world would have turned out much better.

Good to remember this lesson this time around. Never appease aggressors, that just motivates them to take more.

Western Europe would have still been distracted and the Soviet Union would just come opportunistically from behind to secretly take the Balkans and the rest of Eastern Europe and a whole another clusterfuck would have formed. No matter how you put it, Europe would have been devastated at the end of this scenario.

What is happening now isn't de-escalating the situation, it's just escalating it and more countries are joining on the fun as this conflict goes on. Russia's massive arms industry will mobilize for the forseeable future and it isn't being threatened at all by enemy attack and will most likely be greatly nurtured by the Iranians and the Chinese.

Remember the peace talks back in March after the clusterfuck that was the Kiev rush? Russia back then wanted Ukraine away from NATO, that the 2 separatist republics be made independent and that Crimea remained in Russia, done. Now that the deal was scraped by the west, Russia expanded it's war goals and it's now legally obliged to annex all occupied territories (and most likely any territory they capture). Any requests from the west for Russia to appeal to reason are now impossible and will only be made possible if Russia itself is threatened by overwhelming force, which is impossible because of the nuclear umbrella, which means that this war will go on forever, bravo.

 

[Boner Pill]

So a conscript had a few drinks, did not piss himself, did not kill anyone, and is walking back to base.

Now compare that to how American soldiers conduct themselves while drunk:

US soldier held in Italy for allegedly killing 15-year-old while driving drunk

Local prosecutors are trying to stop the soldier from being transferred back to the US

www.independent.co.uk

Failed your psych test, or too fat?

Stumbling around drunk is degenerate behavior. Driving drunk is based. This isn't an own.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Stumbling around drunk is degenerate behavior. Driving drunk is based. This isn't an own.

I guess the based part is that there's one less European, but I'm disappointed it's not an Anglo. Also this sounds pretty damn degenerate.

An American soldier has been placed under house arrest at the Aviano US Air Force Base in northern Italy after she allegedly fatally struck a 15-year-old boy with her car while intoxicated.
The female soldier, who has not been identified but is said to be 20 years old, reportedly hit the teen while he was walking with friends on a pedestrian trail on Sunday morning.

 

[White_N]

The Ghost of Kevin sounds more believable than that.

Hey! he supplies people with kiwis and kiwi-related accessories, basically 11/10

 

[Overly Serious]

How do we fix Westerners thinking everything is like Marvel or whatever other artsy-fartsy netflixoid crap that they enjoy losing time to?
Real people are dying. Shit's kinda serious. Superman and Batman won't save the day and Russian women don't have 4 alien tits.

FWIW, Babylon 5 was actually a very well-written show with a lot of it informed by real world politics. One of the things I liked a lot about it was that war was portrayed as something to be avoided by every possible effort. It was one of the more cerebral Sci-Fi shows with the build up to the war over multiple seasons. Very far some quippy Marvel movie though of course one can ferret up some quippy moments on YouTube if you want. Anyway, the element I was reminded of was how negotiations and peace processes collapsed the moment one side suddenly believed it had a winning hand. A little like how Ukraine and Russia were on the verge of peace negotiations right before Mr. Morden Boris Johnson flew in to talk to Zelensky. I don't know what was said but I imagine much like in the show he was promised whatever he needed for victory.

Anyway, I actually agree with the general point of not talking about this stuff in terms of shows so I'll leave it at that. The show was very far from "artsy-fartsy netflixoid crap" as you describe it, though.

 

[skjora]

Cruise missiles and heavier attack drones have their place too but the cost and the complexity means they're used only for high value targets, whereas the cheaper and smaller drones will do most of the day to day work of taking out radar systems, AA, artillery and such.
For example what can do more damage to those kind of systems, one $1m Bayraktar drone, or 125 $8k Geran-2 drones?

That depends actually - a Bayraktar can loiter for a much longer time, do recon duty, and laser-paint targets for ground-based artillery assets and shit like hellfire missiles launched from cover or standoff ranges. In isolation a Geran-2 does more by itself for the cost, but a Bayraktar (or anything comparable) is a force multiplier. It's not efficient at all if you only use it to drop it's own meagre bomb payload, but if you mainly use it for supporting other systems and also have bombs on board for targets of opportunity it's pretty great. Though the only thing they have in common is the word "drone" - A Geran-2 is more of a precise and super slow (this is not a bad thing) missile.

 

[AgendaPoster]

FWIW, Babylon 5 was actually a very well-written show with a lot of it informed by real world politics. One of the things I liked a lot about it was that war was portrayed as something to be avoided by every possible effort. It was one of the more cerebral Sci-Fi shows with the build up to the war over multiple seasons. Very far some quippy Marvel movie though of course one can ferret up some quippy moments on YouTube if you want. Anyway, the element I was reminded of was how negotiations and peace processes collapsed the moment one side suddenly believed it had a winning hand. A little like how Ukraine and Russia were on the verge of peace negotiations right before Mr. Morden Boris Johnson flew in to talk to Zelensky. I don't know what was said but I imagine much like in the show he was promised whatever he needed for victory.

Anyway, I actually agree with the general point of not talking about this stuff in terms of shows so I'll leave it at that. The show was very far from "artsy-fartsy netflixoid crap" as you describe it, though.

Ukraine has the Spice, and the fucking Harkonnens want to steal it

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

quick poll
if ukraine didn't hit the DPR after the defense agreement with russia, the war would be happening?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I cannot be drafted. I am far too precious and strategically important to fight like the plebe on the frontlines.

Famous last words lol

The cuckservatard republicans will submit to the will of your shitty elites, or they won't get the moolah.

They'll find another shithole to launder it, probably in South America

You'd have to elect some nerds funded by Russia to stop the gibs, like NJP-types, Caleb Maupin and hell knows what other misfit dysgenics.
Elect Eric Striker, and you'll get your wishes, lul

Listen pal, we're Team China, or have you never heard of Hunter Biden's Shanghai Express? Ukraine was Joe's Pedo Express and that's why he's mad as hell about it

 

[The Ugly One]

quick poll
if ukraine didn't hit the DPR after the defense agreement with russia, the war would be happening?

The war wouldn't be happening if NATO had recognized the annexation of Crimea and stopped trying to fuck with Russia after that. But that would never have happened, since the whole point of the Euromaidan coup was to get Crimea into NATO hands.

 

[Metis junket]

Another target would be transformers. Those are expensive and located outside. Also pretty huge in size, so they are easy target. However, because those are outside of they are also easy to replace and every energy suppliers are having stock of those, so the wont stop power plant for working for long. At last 40kg drone could hit water pipe or power line and stop it from working for maybe a day or two.

These are a huge capital expense. I'd see one spare for a fleet of transformers; and the lead-times are well over 52 weeks before this Donnybrook.

This doesn't include the fun of transporting the item along roads, finding cranes and hooking it up, etc…

 

[Hell on Earth]

quick poll
if ukraine didn't hit the DPR after the defense agreement with russia, the war would be happening?

The war was always going to happen, sooner or later anyways. The logic of the western (mostly American) elites in planning all of this is : "Our only possibility to cripple Russia in the geo-political arena, is to bleed them to death." This Falkenhayn-style strategy worked in WW1 against the Russians (and almost against the French) but it failed spectacularly in WW2 against the Soviet Union.

This is it's modern iteration, but instead of using the lives of your own citizens, you're using the lives of disposable people and the only cost to you is the military hardware you give to them. However, it only worked in WW1 because Russia was in a pitiable condition when it came to military, economic, political and nutritional terms back in 1917.

What Russia will look like at the end, I don't know, but right now it's stable enough to keep the war going for the rest of this decade and beyond.

 

[AgendaPoster]

quick poll
if ukraine didn't hit the DPR after the defense agreement with russia, the war would be happening?

Russia considers Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence so any attempts to cozy up to the West would eventually result in war. The goal is to make it into another Belarus with a mindless dronetactor at its helm for 30 years.
Look, the West ain't that great either, but countries eventually will desire to choose between the two models - authoritarian "don't insult the Church, don't be a fag in public, accept poverty" model, or the authoritarian "don't insult the Holy Fags and Trannies, don't be a bigot in public, accept some poverty" model.
The West is far, far better at selling its poison though. People would literally kill for bluejeans and Kents. You might not know it if you always lived in the West, buy I know it VERY WELL.

What Russia will look like at the end, I don't know, but right now it's stable enough to keep the war going for the rest of this decade and beyond.

Eh, let's hope not.
The war has impacted the libido chicks where I live have. I need it to go back to normal.

 

[draggs]

Russia isn't stable enough to keep the war going much longer than another year much less a decade+ lol

Refilling equipment losses with gibs from Iran and Belarus and people think they have the juice to keep going for years?

 

[352Div]

Russia isn't stable enough to keep the war going much longer than another year much less a decade+ lol

Refilling equipment losses with gibs from Iran and Belarus and people think they have the juice to keep going for years?

I think it's a pretty efficient way to get rid of minorities like the Maharuls and the Buryats. I think the biggest flaw with that is that the republics and oblasts themselves have to pay for the equipment, so you can imagine the disparity in quality of equipment from a Moscow resident to a Magadan oblast one.

 

[White_N]

if ukraine didn't hit the DPR after the defense agreement with russia, the war would be happening?

Do you mean the Minsk Agreement? If everything went according to plan, then no. There would be something like Transnistria, I believe, to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU, but an open conflict could have been avoided.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Do you mean the Minsk Agreement? If everything went according to plan, then no. There would be something like Transnistria, I believe, to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU, but an open conflict could have been avoided.

The Minsk Agreement was about as useful as the piece of paper it was signed on, because  both the separatists and Ukraine made no actual effort to actually implement them.

It didn't just call for a ceasefire, it called for things like moving artillery and heavy weaponry back dozens of kilometers from where they once were, and both sides made no actual effort to implement it.

Minsk wasn't a failure just because Ukraine ignored it, it because it was a farce of a treaty that was completely ignored by everyone.

 

[AgendaPoster]

A very interesting article from a now-former Russian diplomat.

The Sources of Russian Misconduct

A diplomat defects from the Kremlin.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Boris Bondarev: The Sources of Russian Misconduct | Foreign Affairs

archived 19 Oct 2022 16:55:30 UTC

archive.ph

OK this was a great read, I wanted to close the page when the dude was like "and now Russia is like the Nazis and became fascist", not because it's far from the truth, but because I'm getting nauseous at the obsessive melodramatics around the 1940s, grow up you nerds.
I'll put the screenshots up cause I know most people didn't bother to read it, and I think it's their loss if they don't. Great find, and I fully agree that Russia cannot be allowed to descend into chaos and civil war. Westoids might salivate at bayonetting Putin in the anus, but that's a bad deal for me and my own habitat. We need stability, peace, and a friendly Russia that is treated for a while like a retarded, autistic child that can sperg out at any moment. With care and compassion, but under the watchful eye of its European parents.
I'm also linking Caspian Report's video with warnings about destabilizing Russia from 2021.
Oh, and I almost forgot about the Skripal affair in 2018.
That was another thing I was wrong about at that time. I even argued with both my mother and my girlfriend and kinda mocked them as uninformed. I wasn't really fully convinced, but the evidence was just not strong enough for me to criticize Russia and Putin, which I considered at the time a potential vehicle to influence West Europe to stop being so deviant.
Oh well. Mea culpa.

 

[Narcotics]

Question
Seems like the next relevant topic will be the dam near kherson, ukies and ruskies have been saying the other will blow up/falseflag the dam to cause a massive flood, another humanitarian crisis, and destruction of Crimea’s water supply. thoughts? nothingburger or something that might happen?