Opinion Asian American Students Face Bias, but It’s Not What You Might Think - NYT endorses racism

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Affirmative action is on trial again. This time, opponents of race-conscious college admission practices are claiming that Asian Americans are hurt by it. The plaintiffs in Students for Fair Admissions Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, which presented oral arguments before the Supreme Court on Monday, allege that Harvard holds Asian American applicants to higher academic standards and rates them lower than other students on personal characteristics, such as fit, courage and likability. The proposed solution is to abandon race as a factor in admissions decisions.

This approach is based on a fundamental misconception. Asian Americans face bias in education, but not in the direction the plaintiffs claim. Research that I and others have done shows that K-12 teachers and schools may actually give Asian Americans a boost based on assumptions about race. Affirmative action policies currently in place in university admissions do not account for the positive bias that Asian Americans may experience before they apply to college. Abandoning race as a consideration in admissions would further obscure this bias.

The surge in violence against Asian Americans in the United States since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic is clear evidence that they are the targets of pernicious discrimination. Going back much further than the pandemic, U.S. history is fraught with anti-Asian violence and nativist discrimination, including decades of exclusion from immigration and citizenship that kept the Asian American population at a mere 0.6 percent of the country’s total as late as 1960, according to the Pew Research Center.

But in an educational context, those biases play out in very unexpected ways. In “The Asian American Achievement Paradox,” which I wrote with Min Zhou and is based on 162 interviews of Asian, Hispanic, Black and white adults in Los Angeles, we found that Asian American precollege students benefit from “stereotype promise”: Teachers assume they are smart, hard-working, high-achieving and morally deserving, which can boost the grades of academically mediocre Asian American students.

We found that teachers’ positive biases of Asian American students sometimes led them to place even low-achieving Asian American students on competitive academic tracks, including honors and Advanced Placement classes that can be gateways to competitive four-year universities. Once there, we found that these students took their schoolwork more seriously, spent more time on their homework than they had previously and were placed in classes with high-achieving peers, thereby boosting their academic outcomes.

A Vietnamese American student I’ll call Ophelia (all names have been changed to protect participants’ privacy under ethical research guidelines) described herself as “not very intelligent” and recalled nearly being held back in second grade because of her poor academic performance. Ophelia had a C average throughout elementary and junior high school, and when she took an exam to be put in Advanced Placement classes for high school English and science, she failed. Ophelia’s teachers placed her, with her mother’s support, on the AP track anyway. Once there, she said that something “just clicked,” and she began to excel in her classes.

“I wanted to work hard and prove I was a good student,” Ophelia explained. “I think the competition kind of increases your want to do better.” She graduated from high school with a grade-point average of 4.2 (exceeding a perfect 4.0) and was admitted into a highly competitive pharmacy program. Ophelia’s performance was precisely what her teachers expected, so they did not have to confront the role they may have played in reproducing the stereotype of Asian American exceptionalism.

Ophelia’s experience is not unique. In our research, we found numerous examples of Asian American students who were anointed as promising by their teachers, even in spite of weak grades and test scores.

None of the white, Black or Hispanic adults we interviewed were treated similarly. Hispanic students in particular experience the opposite effect in school, as my work with Estela Diaz shows. The Hispanic students we studied received little encouragement from their teachers to attend college and even less information about how to get in.

The sociologist Sean J. Drake drew on two years of ethnographic research in a highly ranked Southern California high school and found a similar positive bias toward Asian American students: “I don’t necessarily look at my classroom and treat a kid differently because they are Asian, but I know that if I have an Asian student in my classroom, I can count on that student. That student will probably work hard and be engaged. I can rely on that kid, and the parents, more so than I can for other groups,” one teacher told him.

Teachers’ positive biases toward Asian students affect their assessment of white, Black and Hispanic students, too. The economists Ying Shi and Maria Zhu looked at the standardized test scores of public school students in North Carolina and compared them to teachers’ judgments of the same students. In research the economists presented at a National Bureau of Economic Research conference this spring, they found persistent Asian-white disparities in teacher ratings. Teachers are significantly more likely to rate Asian students’ skills higher relative to their standardized test scores compared to similarly performing white peers in the same class, even after adjusting for sociodemographic and behavioral measures.

Dr. Shi and Dr. Zhu also found that the presence of a single Asian student in a class amplifies teachers’ negative assessments of Black and Hispanic students vis-à-vis white students. Research in education typically focuses on Black-white or Hispanic-white achievement gaps and pays little or no attention to Asian Americans. But these new lines of research show how much more we learn about the ways race affects achievement when we include Asian Americans in our studies. They also show what we get wrong when we exclude them.

Asian Americans made up 6 percent of the U.S. population in 2020, and 27.6 percent of Harvard’s class of 2026. Students for Fair Admissions argues that number would be even higher if admissions were based on objective, meritocratic metrics, unconstrained by race. But the research my colleagues and I have done shows that some of the metrics that are most commonly cited as objective indicators of academic talent and effort — things like teachers’ assessments and grades — are subject to bias and woven into the educational system well before students apply to college.

Asian American students who have earned admission to Harvard are smart, promising and have no doubt worked very hard. But in ways that are most likely not visible to them, they may have also benefited from their racial status long before they applied. Race-conscious policies provide a mechanism to address this and other biases, and help level the field of opportunity for a diverse student body.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/opinion/affirmative-action-asian-american-bias.html (Archive)

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The surge in violence against Asian Americans in the United States since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic is clear evidence that they are the targets of pernicious discrimination.
Is it or is it proof that blacks like to attack asians and given an excuse they will take it?
Going back much further than the pandemic, U.S. history is fraught with anti-Asian violence and nativist discrimination, including decades of exclusion from immigration and citizenship that kept the Asian American population at a mere 0.6 percent of the country’s total as late as 1960, according to the Pew Research Center.
I love when people linger in the 60's to tell me how racist America is now. It is so honest.
But the research my colleagues and I have done shows that some of the metrics that are most commonly cited as objective indicators of academic talent and effort — things like teachers’ assessments and grades — are subject to bias and woven into the educational system well before students apply to college.
Is there some reason you are not providing a link for us to easily examine this research?

If race is part of the equation race is part of the equation.

I kept hearing shit during the arguments like: It would only cause a small percentage of...
Kind of important if you are part of the percentage getting shafted because Tyrone decided he wanted to go to Harvard.

You do not combat racial discrimination with racial discrimination even if you are self-hating enough to think it is justified.
 
I wish they'd stop lumping all Asians together. NAME THE COUNTRY.

There's generally a racist assumption that all Asians are Chinese / if try are not Chinese then Chinese people are somehow still authorized to speak for them - see: the kimono drama was started by a Chinese girl. But also, I'd bet the so called rise in violence against Asian Americans was very specifically targeted at one race in particular. I mean, the attackers could be tards charging at Kahn Souphanousinphone, but they'll be screaming NI HAO MA CHING CHONG DING DONG while they're doing it.

Hell, I wonder how often the Asian Americans are actually American and how often they're just Asian? Especially with the comment in the other thread about schools preferring foreign tuition dollars.

Calling it an Asian American issue might be as racist as calling a britblack an African American.
 
Calling it an Asian American issue might be as racist as calling a britblack an African American.
Actually, they refer to anybody with dark skin as Black (or rather PoC) by default. It's quite interesting that you mention that, the Left likes to homogenize different ethnicities into a general label and call it progress. Yet there are hundreds of different sexualities and genders because somebody wants to be "unique."
 
I wish they'd stop lumping all Asians together. NAME THE COUNTRY.

There's generally a racist assumption that all Asians are Chinese / if try are not Chinese then Chinese people are somehow still authorized to speak for them - see: the kimono drama was started by a Chinese girl. But also, I'd bet the so called rise in violence against Asian Americans was very specifically targeted at one race in particular. I mean, the attackers could be tards charging at Kahn Souphanousinphone, but they'll be screaming NI HAO MA CHING CHONG DING DONG while they're doing it.

Hell, I wonder how often the Asian Americans are actually American and how often they're just Asian? Especially with the comment in the other thread about schools preferring foreign tuition dollars.

Calling it an Asian American issue might be as racist as calling a britblack an African American.
Asians seem to universally treat malaysians like niggers and filipinos like mexicans. Koreans/Chinese/Japanese treat race mixed people like traitors or abominations. Don't live in Korea as a mixed race, especially if the other race is low on their totem pole.
Other ethnicities labeled asian with lower IQ scores and wealth get hit hard by American University admissions. The Vietnamese working hard to qualify gets cut out by quotas when the horde of Chinese have better test scores. Meanwhile other ethnicities with lower scores fill the other slots.
 
Asians seem to universally treat malaysians like niggers and filipinos like mexicans. Koreans/Chinese/Japanese treat race mixed people like traitors or abominations. Don't live in Korea as a mixed race, especially if the other race is low on their totem pole.
Other ethnicities labeled asian with lower IQ scores and wealth get hit hard by American University admissions. The Vietnamese working hard to qualify gets cut out by quotas when the horde of Chinese have better test scores. Meanwhile other ethnicities with lower scores fill the other slots.
My brother worked with a Japanese man and my god he hated other types of Asians
It was magnificent
:story:
 
Actually, they refer to anybody with dark skin as Black (or rather PoC) by default.
In some places sure, but in others calling all blacks "African American" is a thing. I can't find the story I'm thinking of - I'm sure there was an incident where some college student called a guest speaker an African American and he started screaming about how he's British - but I found a reddit thread on the phenomena instead.

Excerpts:
Richest African American is Elon Musk
One of the funniest things I've ever seen was a news anchor in the US talking about the riots in France and the French African Americans.
have you seen that tiktok where the American person struggles to comprehend that they're are black Scottish and Irish people because they have never seem a black person with those accents before?
I once had an argument with an American who absolutely insisted that Cleopatra (yes, that one) was African American. It's like no, dude, she was just African. The USA hadn't even been thought of while she was alive.
Haha. I encountered this when I was trying to translate “Black Lives Matter” into Yiddish (long story!)

There’s a guy in the states who had done the same, but his translation basically meant “African American Lives Matter,” because in colloquial Yiddish, if you describe a person as “black” (Schwartz) that’s basically the same as the N word. And you can’t even say “African British,” because a lot of Caribbean people do not identify with the African community at all!

So in the end we invented a whole new term “Afro-British” and translated that.

‎ ‎האָבן אַ װערט ‎ לעבנס ‎אפֿראָבריטישער ‏
TIL Schwartz is nigger in jewspeak. TY reddit jew.
 
I wish they'd stop lumping all Asians together. NAME THE COUNTRY.
The conservative justices brought that up during the oral arguments. Like, if these are the Only Four Races, how do you know if Afghanis are being properly represented? They're Asian, but are there proportionate numbers across the entire continent? Doesn't that mean the whole exercise is kind of flawed from the beginning?
 
Ophelia’s performance was precisely what her teachers expected, so they did not have to confront the role they may have played in reproducing the stereotype of Asian American exceptionalism.
Those goddamn teachers and their... success in helping students excel.

This is seriously some Harrison Bergeron shit. Niggers are stupid and lazy, so we all must be made equally stupid and lazy.
 
I mean, if I had to pick the pseudo whites...

Whites are the whites of America, because - according to the progressives - everything revolves around them and they are the largest ethnic group at 50-75% depending on if you count white Hispanics.

Ergo,

Blacks are the whites of colored people because - in the realm of racial minorities - everything revolves around blacks and they're like half the minority population

I don't know who the whites of the non-black coloreds are, but I do know that

Chinks are the whites of asians because - in the realm of """Asian American""" discourse - everything revolves around them... Somehow even when talking about Japanese culture! (see: kimono thing again). And I don't know how many of them there are, but there are enough of them that even at a liberal college, complaining about a racist assuming that all asians are chinks gets me blank stares from people on university payrolls who just say "... Well statistically, they're right."

How did someone decide that the people on the little tiny island that aren't allowed to even have their own army are the whites of asians? Don't get me wrong I'm a weeb and i like japs more than chinks, but maybe the group that has the power to cancel people for saying "Taiwan" is just a bit more "white" than the group that isn't allowed to have open air concentration camps anymore...
 
How did someone decide that the people on the little tiny island that aren't allowed to even have their own army are the whites of asians?
Call me crazy, but I suspect very little critical thought was put into it.
 
I mean, if I had to pick the pseudo whites...

Whites are the whites of America, because - according to the progressives - everything revolves around them and they are the largest ethnic group at 50-75% depending on if you count white Hispanics.

Ergo,

Blacks are the whites of colored people because - in the realm of racial minorities - everything revolves around blacks and they're like half the minority population

I don't know who the whites of the non-black coloreds are, but I do know that

Chinks are the whites of asians because - in the realm of """Asian American""" discourse - everything revolves around them... Somehow even when talking about Japanese culture! (see: kimono thing again). And I don't know how many of them there are, but there are enough of them that even at a liberal college, complaining about a racist assuming that all asians are chinks gets me blank stares from people on university payrolls who just say "... Well statistically, they're right."

How did someone decide that the people on the little tiny island that aren't allowed to even have their own army are the whites of asians? Don't get me wrong I'm a weeb and i like japs more than chinks, but maybe the group that has the power to cancel people for saying "Taiwan" is just a bit more "white" than the group that isn't allowed to have open air concentration camps anymore...
Jewish people are super white people.
 
Jewish people are super white people.
But sometimes Jewish people don't identify as white, and sometimes they do, so I am confused, are jews the trannies of white people? Are hispanics the jews of latinos? Are latinos asians?
I'm all sorts of confused these days.
 
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