Furry Fandom and Drama General

Reposting from @carltondanks:
deletedposts.pngNMNY.png
He also deleted the Kiwiler posts two months prior where he said "let the site die in peace" instead of simply citing the no bases rule.

Meanwhile, this post that also originated from this site (which has a character contemplating suicide while a different character mentions a dilator) was approved by a different admin and is currently still up. Someone's being picky like with the Twokinds edits.
 
Last edited:
Reposting from @carltondanks:

View attachment 3778184View attachment 3778200
He also deleted the Kiwiler posts two months prior where he said "let the site die in peace" instead of simply citing the no bases rule.

Meanwhile, this post that also originated from this site (which has a character contemplating suicide while a different character mentions a dilator) was approved by a different admin and is currently still up. Someone's being picky like with the Twokinds edits.
1667625239429.png

this has been up since 2017. it's also filled to the brim with comments making jokes about holocausts and people arguing to use a blacklist instead of calling for the image to be taken down. https://e621.net/posts/1342631?q=tom_nook_(animal_crossing)+swastika

the servers for e621 are in arizona which has freedom of speech and stuff like this is legally allowed to be hosted. The thing is that the approver of this image is finnish, which i'm not 100% sure is legal for him to associate with any nazi imagery, and the head admin of the site that deleted those kiwifarms art posts is german, which i'm 98% sure that associating with e621 in such a way could end up with him being in prison. any german lawyers on this site, feel free to prove me wrong
so i'm guessing the reason for those deletions could be that the admin really doesn't want to look like e621 is associated with kiwi farms in any way, shape, or form. a furfag who was banned off of e621 could have probably used the opportunity to form a twitter mob and get it kicked off of cloudflare for being associated with raycis nazees on the wrong side of history.

although the "let the site die" thing really throws me for a loop
 
View attachment 3799308
this has been up since 2017. it's also filled to the brim with comments making jokes about holocausts and people arguing to use a blacklist instead of calling for the image to be taken down. https://e621.net/posts/1342631?q=tom_nook_(animal_crossing)+swastika

the servers for e621 are in arizona which has freedom of speech and stuff like this is legally allowed to be hosted. The thing is that the approver of this image is finnish, which i'm not 100% sure is legal for him to associate with any nazi imagery, and the head admin of the site that deleted those kiwifarms art posts is german, which i'm 98% sure that associating with e621 in such a way could end up with him being in prison. any german lawyers on this site, feel free to prove me wrong
so i'm guessing the reason for those deletions could be that the admin really doesn't want to look like e621 is associated with kiwi farms in any way, shape, or form. a furfag who was banned off of e621 could have probably used the opportunity to form a twitter mob and get it kicked off of cloudflare for being associated with raycis nazees on the wrong side of history.

although the "let the site die" thing really throws me for a loop
Gotta love furries disliking an image like this to hell and sperging in the comments for years, on a site that allows some of the most degenerate sexual content on the internet. The dissonance is truly incredible.
 
Gotta love furries disliking an image like this to hell and sperging in the comments for years, on a site that allows some of the most degenerate sexual content on the internet. The dissonance is truly incredible.
I noticed similar dissonance with 4chan, though not with Nazi stuff.
Then again, I do not visit 4chan, but merely read of the site by happenstance.
 
  • Feels
Reactions: Toolbox
So what's the current situation with AI? Has the tidal wave of automation hit the furry artists yet like with anime art styles? Or are people still working on the algorithms.
 
So what's the current situation with AI? Has the tidal wave of automation hit the furry artists yet like with anime art styles? Or are people still working on the algorithms.
Eh, without additional human edits neither market will really be hit too hard. The barrier of entry has certainly been lowered for common folk with a bit less skill, but you can still tell when an image is made by ai especially when it tries to ape cartoonish styles. Wait a few more years and ask again.
 
So what's the current situation with AI? Has the tidal wave of automation hit the furry artists yet like with anime art styles? Or are people still working on the algorithms.
It's been pretty quiet after the initial freakout but since we're talking about human edited AI art here's some drama I ran into a month ago. Fur Affinity removed some AI assisted art uploaded by a relatively popular furry artist, Rick Griffin, as per their new zero tolerance rule against AI generated images.

He took to Twitter to complain:
003.png
001.png
004.png
Link | Archive

Digging this up again also led me to a Plebbit thread (Archive) about the incident. Drama is minimal otherwise (there's some assorted whining in the replies to his Tweet) but the thread is pretty interesting if you want an actually good artist's opinion on machine learning.
removal.png
Glad to see Fur Affinity is still run by absolute retards after all these years. I especially love how they call it "lacking artistic merit" which would make FA's front page what exactly?

As an aside I think blending human art with AI imagery is a pretty cool and novel approach, one that'll almost certainly become more popular over time since it dramatically lowers the skill level needed to produce high quality art. Difference is they'll just lie about it.
 
Last edited:
I do find it fucking stupid with how FA handled Rick Griffin's piece for merely mentioning that he used AI for assistance in that piece when every day you can go to FA Front Page and see bullshit like literal MS Paint scribbles or beginner SFM Bullshit
 
There is no fucking way anyone looking at that image would pick it as AI assisted if he hadn't outright admitted it, even then all he used it for was the background. Other artists can (probably already are) generate the entire image using AI, touch up the shitty looking parts and just lie about it. FA really can't do a thing to stop it.
literal MS Paint scribbles or beginner SFM Bullshit
Don't forget the endless low effort YCH/auction reminder spam.
 
Page 12 of the study.
"Zoophilia, Furryism, and Paraphilias
With 146,627 members, 43,060 threads, and 1,077,680 messages for Zooville alone, the online zoophilia community appears to be a large and well supported international community of persons who share a sexual attraction to animals. Our research also demonstrated that the presence of self-reported zoophilia coincides with the endorsement of other paraphilic behaviors, with the largest associations being with furryism (which had a high frequency) and necrophilia (which had a very low frequency). Sexology research has found that paraphilias tend to be intercorrelated, as do spe-cifc fetishes (Seto et al., 2014). Some fndings may reflect the nature of zoophilia—for instance, higher rates of public masturbation may reflect that zoophilic persons consider the areas where their animals of interest reside (e.g., barn, feld, etc.) to be public areas. By contrast, the low rates of telephone scatalogia could be that phone calls as a medium have been replaced with more private systems (e.g., discord, telegram, whatsapp), which do not reveal one’s phone number, allow media sharing, and are often encrypted.
The conceptual overlap with furryism, however, bears fur-ther mention. Zoophilia was correlated with furryism; how-ever, more than half (55.8%) of persons with zoophilia were not furries, and while supplemental analyses (not reported due to space considerations) demonstrated that furryism was correlated with indicators of zoophilia, these associations were decreased to nonsignifcance after controlling for self-identifed zoophilia. Thus, the link between furryism and these zoophilic indicators would appear to be only by virtue of shared variance with zoophilia. That is, we would argue that zoophilia indicates a higher likelihood of furryism, how-ever, furryism does not necessarily entail a greater likelihood of zoophilia."
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Attached is the study, it goes through the numerical stats first and then summarizes them.
 

Attachments

Page 12 of the study.
"Zoophilia, Furryism, and Paraphilias
With 146,627 members, 43,060 threads, and 1,077,680 messages for Zooville alone, the online zoophilia community appears to be a large and well supported international community of persons who share a sexual attraction to animals. Our research also demonstrated that the presence of self-reported zoophilia coincides with the endorsement of other paraphilic behaviors, with the largest associations being with furryism (which had a high frequency) and necrophilia (which had a very low frequency). Sexology research has found that paraphilias tend to be intercorrelated, as do spe-cifc fetishes (Seto et al., 2014). Some fndings may reflect the nature of zoophilia—for instance, higher rates of public masturbation may reflect that zoophilic persons consider the areas where their animals of interest reside (e.g., barn, feld, etc.) to be public areas. By contrast, the low rates of telephone scatalogia could be that phone calls as a medium have been replaced with more private systems (e.g., discord, telegram, whatsapp), which do not reveal one’s phone number, allow media sharing, and are often encrypted.
The conceptual overlap with furryism, however, bears fur-ther mention. Zoophilia was correlated with furryism; how-ever, more than half (55.8%) of persons with zoophilia were not furries, and while supplemental analyses (not reported due to space considerations) demonstrated that furryism was correlated with indicators of zoophilia, these associations were decreased to nonsignifcance after controlling for self-identifed zoophilia. Thus, the link between furryism and these zoophilic indicators would appear to be only by virtue of shared variance with zoophilia. That is, we would argue that zoophilia indicates a higher likelihood of furryism, how-ever, furryism does not necessarily entail a greater likelihood of zoophilia."
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Attached is the study, it goes through the numerical stats first and then summarizes them.
"I keep a pet for romantic companionship", "I allow the animal to show consent to sexual intercourse", "I feel romantic love for my pet, but I would never have sex with them", "I love animals romantically", "I get 'crushes' on animals", "Animals can reciprocate my romantic feelings and attractions", and "Animals can reciprocate my sexual feelings and attractions" are all instances of zoophiles anthropomorphizing an animal for romantic or sexual instances. This means there is a greater percentile of furry zoophiles than the study postulated, as a requirement of the label furry is the interest in anthropomorphized animals, with anthropomorphizing being defined as attributing human characteristics or behavior to an animal. Attributing the human concepts of romance or sexual thought or sapience to an animal is the definition of anthropomorphizing. The constituents that agreed to those should be considered furries, regardless of whether they consider themselves a furry. It doesn't mean they aren't a furry when their actions say otherwise, just like a person raping a dog is still an animal rapist, regardless of whether they call it consensual sex or the dog "doesn't attack so it's consensual."

Remember, there are furries out there who are interested only in feral dogs that can somehow give consent, not talking, standing dogs. This means that the label 'furry' is not tied strictly to anthropomorphized animals drawn standing on two legs. It applies to any animal that has human features/behaviors attached. Therefor, approximately 80-90% of zoophiles would be considered furries.
 
Last edited:
"I keep a pet for romantic companionship", "I allow the animal to show consent to sexual intercourse", "I feel romantic love for my pet, but I would never have sex with them", "I love animals romantically", "I get 'crushes' on animals", "Animals can reciprocate my romantic feelings and attractions", and "Animals can reciprocate my sexual feelings and attractions" are all instances of zoophiles anthropomorphizing an animal for romantic or sexual instances. This means there is a greater percentile of furry zoophiles than the study postulated, as a requirement of the label furry is the interest in anthropomorphized animals, with anthropomorphizing being defined as attributing human characteristics or behavior to an animal. Attributing the human concepts of romance or sexual thought or sapience to an animal is the definition of anthropomorphizing. The constituents that agreed to those should be considered furries, regardless of whether they consider themselves a furry. It doesn't mean they aren't a furry when their actions say otherwise, just like a person raping a dog is still an animal rapist, regardless of whether they call it consensual sex or the dog "doesn't attack so it's consensual."

Remember, there are furries out there who are interested only in feral dogs that can somehow give consent, not talking, standing dogs. This means that the label 'furry' is not tied strictly to anthropomorphized animals drawn standing on two legs. It applies to any animal that has human features/behaviors attached. Therefor, approximately 80-90% of zoophiles would be considered furries.
Eh...
...my definition o 'furry' is 'fan of cartoon animals'.
In your defence, that definition is not mutually exclusive with zoos. After all, there is Ralph Bakshi.
 
"I keep a pet for romantic companionship", "I allow the animal to show consent to sexual intercourse", "I feel romantic love for my pet, but I would never have sex with them", "I love animals romantically", "I get 'crushes' on animals", "Animals can reciprocate my romantic feelings and attractions", and "Animals can reciprocate my sexual feelings and attractions" are all instances of zoophiles anthropomorphizing an animal for romantic or sexual instances. This means there is a greater percentile of furry zoophiles than the study postulated, as a requirement of the label furry is the interest in anthropomorphized animals, with anthropomorphizing being defined as attributing human characteristics or behavior to an animal. Attributing the human concepts of romance or sexual thought or sapience to an animal is the definition of anthropomorphizing. The constituents that agreed to those should be considered furries, regardless of whether they consider themselves a furry. It doesn't mean they aren't a furry when their actions say otherwise, just like a person raping a dog is still an animal rapist, regardless of whether they call it consensual sex or the dog "doesn't attack so it's consensual."

Remember, there are furries out there who are interested only in feral dogs that can somehow give consent, not talking, standing dogs. This means that the label 'furry' is not tied strictly to anthropomorphized animals drawn standing on two legs. It applies to any animal that has human features/behaviors attached. Therefor, approximately 80-90% of zoophiles would be considered furries.

I dont necessarily disagree with what youre saying, but jumping from being or not being a furry to dog fucker only hurts your comparison. Plus, your counter argument is about "how should we define what a furry is", and the assumption that this would change..something in the papers results.

It has been debated ever since the 90s and there is no right or wrong answer. For this, its best you read the study and check what they went for here, which you find on page 3 of the attached PDF, among other pages and paragraphs (hint, they already took into account everything you mentioned, read the fucking thing). The short of it, is that it doesnt matter since the data implies what has been posted, that while not all furries have a tendency to be zoophiles, most zoophiles have a tendency to be furries. This is because the distinction between "furry" and "zoophile" would not change if you broaden or limit the definition up like you suggest. You would arbitrarily create a correlation, which is not only bad analysis, its also not the point of the study.
 
Chinese nationalists are seething over Taiwan #1 and Xi = Pooh memes in the comment section of this post:
https://e621.net/posts/3601580
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
 
Back